Customers gun, a COMPACT in .177 caliber.

MASSIVE Air Hog !!! Horrible efficiency even tho it came set up to shoot JSB 8.4 @ 900 fps it sucks down the air at 40+ psi per shot.
Under the hood of cosmetic covers a very unique design being somewhat along FX maverick design lines. That being a forward trigger group & cocking mechanics & bottle mount, a BIG plenum screwing into both forward trigger and rear valving / hammer assembly. Barrel straddled over the top anchored securely to both.

Being this gun came to me with a BIG complaint of Low shot count and somewhat noisy for the power output ... We head INSIDE and take a look around
Before going in had already figured I would be finding similar traits to other CZ manufactured pups/rifles where multi caliber choices are offered. ( Krickets, Taipans etc .. )
Yup 1 chassis and set of guts for all calibers it appears is the case here too. Barrel caliber / length & Bottle size with related parts appear to be the differences.

* Transfer path from valve to barrel a massive .230"
* Plenum is huge and all passages within moving air from bottle to valve is unrestricted !
* Super small & light hammer, short and fairly light spring ... HUH, somethings suspect ?
* Balanced valve !!! Following JSAR developed architecture ( see posted pic )

After tearing the action apart to a degree we can address specific areas came up with a few ideas ... Try them, went back in, tried some other stuff being in & out near a dozen times.

Sadly the balanced valve as built has No Lift limiting or Buffer adjustments etc ... It cracks open and fly's WIDE OPEN !! Thus why such an air hog !!

After hours of trial & error .. or not getting results wanted Figured the R&D of working with and for the JSAR team years ago during this type valves development that applying some CRUTCH fixes used back then was needed here in this guns configuration to get the valve less thirsty. for this .177 caliber application.

Placing a balance chamber rod within spring and varying its length we could mechanically limit the poppets lift to a place where valve is breathing wide open ( poppet above seat being near equal in area ) but no more !!! This also reduces chamber volume and poppet will close faster too.
Shrinking down the transfer path size from the massive .230" down to @ .140" along with other set up tricks rounded it out.

As is typical of this type balanced valve there SUPER sensitive to pressure and final speed adjusting done via reg set point. With such a large plenum here the ES is very small and seeing 3-5 fps spreads ... really solid.

All said the muzzle report is a SNAP without the LDC even mounted, screwed on it's near silent. BUT Now .... O'my gawd the PING is so obvious coming from that large thin wall plenum !!! upon shooting it's loud right against your ear & really annoying. Another day for that one, if I address it as all ?
The air use is indeed greatly reduced now, but no data collected thus far ..

Thanks for following along ...

Hello all. So I have finally decided that I want a high end air rifle, so I purchased a brand new fx impact m3 700mm .22 from pyramid air. Wow this thing is awesome. So I started shooting it and it shoots great. I have about 200 pellets through it or there about. I have noticed that all of a sudden I'm getting what I can only describe as a blast of air on my cheek when shooting it and seems much louder than when I first shot it. I have not taken anything apart except for lowering the first regulator pressure as it was around 165bar when I first received it. It is currently around 135bar and 95 bar for the second regulator (have not touched that one). Seems that they shot it for the 10 shots for $10 using 11.9 gr pellets at 1090 fps average for the 10 shots. This thing is awesome to shoot but i don't enjoy the blast of air that kind of stings. Any advice? Should I contact them and send it in? I have only had it for about 5 days including today. I looked in the barrel where the pellet probe goes into and the (breech seal?) seems to still be there.

I was concerned about the post of the fx wildcat from Delaware County. Looks as if you took care of it quickly. Looked like a guy that tried to trade me an impact and was scamming. Handle was fred#### before, then deleted.

Do these slugs appear safe to shoot through a rifled barrel? I just wanted to gather some opinion before taking the risk. They are 47 grain NSA .303 caliber with a screw threaded into the hollow section.

Hi,Can someone help me identify this old air rifle please? ( see pictures)
Many thanks in advance

Hello,
Would like everyone's opinion on the definition of an airgun ambassador?
Volunteering, Ideas, participation, helping other shooters, promoting other ideas, etc.

Besides fx and daystate what does the group consider the most accurate 25 cal with 34 jsb @ 100?

I Have to believe that I didn‘t have my .22 MRD’s going Fast Enough this past weekend… Wind was really pronounced 15 mph, variable and gusty. A very Bad day for hoping to achieve any consistency with an air rifle.

Tried shooting 1st time at 100 yds anyways with new Crown Mk II / 600mm rifle. Reg was at 135 Bar., TX Port Large and Hammer at 18-19 (after setting cam for max travel) was slinging the MRD’s at 910 fps. Dial on 23 was only into 930ish. Rifle was Also shooting the FX Hybrid 22gr Slugs at the Same Velocity per dial as the MRD’s. I was able to select Trans. Port in Medium and dial down to 5-6 for about 900 fps for Exact Hvy 18.1’s.

Results were that the 18.1 Exacts held about 3-4 Inches on a little steel plate at 100y. I was figuring that the MRD pellet was going to blow the little ones way…but No Way. Those redesigns going 905-910 fps were a Disaster in the winds. Terrible 5-6 Inch grouping with even some Missed Shots!! Just awfully Bad.

Real Display of just How Good & Impressive the Ballistic Coefficient of those FX Hybrid Slugs in 22 gr. came when trying them on a whim at the Same 905-910 fps at same steel disc at 100 yds. My God did they fly well in those bad, shifty Winds! Of 5 shot in one string 4 of them all piled into about 1 Inch and the 5th was only another 1/2 - 3/4 away.

I have literally Not even shot 400 pellets or 30 slugs through this gun yet and I am just loving the intimate association with building and observing its accuracy and behaviors with different Ammo and Velocities. This has got to be the Ultimate rig for gun loving fiddler types (if you don’t want the chassis configuration of the other “super-gun” they make.)

I think will go up to 145 on Reg. and try to get to 950-960 with those MRD’s in the 600mm Superior Pellet Liner. I won’t be chasing them beyond that I dont think.

Again, though, just Flabbergasted at how Straight those FX Hybrids flew down that blustery 100 yd range with all the bushes around swaying and bending to arrive at a 1” cluster of 4 hits. Impressive. Bet I would have had a difficult time trying to do that with a bolt action .22 shooting some hi-grade Eley…

Any helpful input in the MRD .22’s in 25.4 grain encouraged. (Or other comments in general of course.)

Pm if interested looking to get $1100.00 for rifle and 2 mags in case. Usps money order or cash pickup available.

Put on my impact as package too sell element Titan

As commented elsewhere, Ben Spencer (Match Director for XFT @ Phoenix Rod and Gun Club) has been working on this for a VERY long time.

I'll start with a real-world example from the matches here in AZ, as an intro into what I've seen happen more than once.
This is a mostly true story about a new field target shooter. We'll call him Les (not his real name). Les found out about the existence of an airgun specialty shop in Gilbert, AZ called Airguns of Arizona. Perhaps he drove by it one day, or maybe found it online. Either way, he found himself in the store. He wasn't even sure of his intended use, but the next thing he knew he was walking out with a spanking new Benjamin Akela in .22, with a new 4-12x scope mounted up top. For ammo he had a couple tins of wadcutters, and was glad to get them too, with all the supply chain issues! Not long after purchasing the Akela he stumbled across information online about the summer-time field target matches held up in the tall cool pines just south of Flagstaff. The light turned on, "I could compete in field target with my Akela!" So, the next Saturday morning he finds himself at a field target match. He loved the experience, and the hook was firmly set.

From there, most of you can guess where that ended up. If you've shot field target for any length of time you're aware of the "arms race," that eventually engulfs all ft shooters. Les found that he loves field target, and has since spent a bundle on electronic guns, and high magnification scopes, and high BC pellets and on and on and on. The sad part is that for every Les, there's probably 3-5 other guys that enjoyed their first exposure to field target just as much, but couldn't ever see themselves throwing so much money at the "sport." And thus, those guys never returned.

The funny thing is that nearly all ft shooters were once Les. The majority of those of us that are still involved have played the arms race, often as fast and loose as our wives would let us get away with. And (I feel) that's mostly because there simply isn't anywhere in field target to actually be competitive WITHOUT playing the arms race.

Being realistic about the reality of the above situation is what got Ben thinking about creating a division where that arms race is quite literally against the rules. A place where folks can compete with a gun that doesn't cost over a grand (and even up to $4500 on the far end of the spectrum!!!). A place where you don't need a $1000 telescope on the top of your gun, with a wholly comical dinner-plate sized wheel (that's another $120+ for the wheel, mind you) strapped to the side of the scope. It's not unheard of for a guy to be carrying $10,000+ worth of gear from lane to lane at a field target match! And that's not an exaggeration because we've got more than one guy campaigning such a rig at our AZ matches.

And so was born, The Marksman Division of Extreme Field Target.
Simple rules, with a heavy emphasis on supreme inclusion:

• $800 maximum MSRP for rifle
  • Must be mechanically 100% "stock", ie no aftermarket internals (for example, no re-barrelling)
  • Barrel and trigger components can be polished, but no parts can be replaced with parts that didn't come in the gun
  • External creativity allowed, within reason (Ben specifically gave the example of adding a barrel band)
    • "within reason of course"
• $500 maximum MSRP for scope
• 25x maximum scope magnification

The Marksman Division will shoot at the same targets, from the same position as all other XFT classes (bucket/stool and shooting sticks/bipod).
Marksman shooters can choose pellets or slugs, but either must be commercially produced and available for sale, just like other XFT classes.

The beauty of this new class is that it allows shooter skill to be on full display. While Marksman shooters will only be officially competing against Marksman Division shooters, it'll be pretty sweet for them to get a higher score than the guy shooting the $10,000+ rig, talk about bragging rights!!!! And that's fully possible in XFT, since all the distances are posted, the crazy expensive scope isn't necessary to range find by focus, such a big part of "regular" sub 20fpe field target.

Medals will awarded as they are for the other classes of XFT. You must beat someone to get a medal. ie, if two people are shooting Marksman, the high score will get a medal. If three people are shooting Marskman, the first two will get a medal. If more than 3 shooters are Marksman, the first 3 will be awarded medals.

Ben has also been in contact with many of the manufacturers I'll list off in the next few comments for potential sponsorship of the Marksman Division through prize money. Assuming some manufacturers or retailers want in on that, prize money will be awarded in the same fashion as the medals.

This is the place for: Crosman/Benjamin, Umarex, Kral, Air Venturi, AEA, Hatsan, JTS, Seneca, Hammerli, Reximex, Snowpeak, Gamo, Xisico, DAR, etc, etc etc, to compete.

I kinda want to get in on the Marksman Division action myself.....I'm thinking an Air Force Talon in .22 (MSRP of $799.99 so JUUUUSSTT barely legal), with one of my ole trusty SWFA fixed power scopes would fit into the rules....or maybe a JTS or a DAR.....

What gun and scope would you choose?

Feel free to discuss at will, Ben said he'd love to hear what people think of this concept. Suggestions, ideas, etc.

First time Marksman Division will be offered is the upcoming November 19th night match.

Was at the coffee pot after service yesterday, a guy was saying he lives on 3.5 acres, has a horrible gopher/ground squirrel problem, I being the Good Samaritan that I'm offered to decrease the populations for him, totally free of charge. He mentioned that the neighbors don't like shooting, I said I use a nice quiet airgun, they'll never know. It was like I'd threatened him or something, must be some anti-gun nut, imagine that in Calif. Ok well, thanks I feel better now.

I want to thank all those on AGN that take their time to help others, I have learned a lot lurking on here. I have many powder burners but REALLY enjoy my time with airguns, so does my wife.
Currently have:
Benjamin B1500BTM in .177. Too heavy for my wife and she has trouble cocking it. Probably going to a Grandson
Gamo Swarm Maxxim G2 in .22. Wife pests with this and many hundreds of squirrels have met their demise with it.
FX M3 shooting .22 slugs. I love this gun!
Half dozen older Benjamin, Winchester, Walther and BSA pistols.

I'm looking to add a few more guns, mainly for plinking and target shooting to maybe 50 yards. My wife loves shooting at 10 to 50 yards with a powder .22 pistol or rifle at those ranges, shooting KYLs, golf balls and anything else she gets her hands on.

So I would like to end up with a variety of guns. could be pistol or rifle. Has to be accurate and reliable. Interesting guns are always better. Like 22 cal but not married to the idea. Like PCPs and have a compressor so unlimited air supply, again not married to the idea. Cost could be anything but expensive guns will take much longer to work into the budget.

Would like to get a better idea of what members shoot that they enjoy and why.

I would love to find something through AoA as they are as close to local as I'll find and we are planning a trip down to see them in a few weeks. If they don't have what we decide on for the first one, maybe the second.

Over time I can definitely see the numbers increasing even if some of the powder burners have to be sacrificed to the cause.

For sale BOG Death Grip. Asked for $100 plus $15 for shipping. PayPal F&F or Apple Pay.

I had been looking for a nice 55 Tyro to add to the collection for a while now and my dreams have finally come true today. Thank you @Bear-of-Grayling selling me this beauty! It showed up a couple of hours ago and I've been shooting it ever since.

Brand New Accu-Tac WB-4 EBR 11X Bipod!
Comes with Accu-Tac 10" leg extensions!
$375 Shipped Conus. Paypal F&F Preferred or add applicable fees.

Will also TRADE for an EBR 10X (orange and black only) Bipod in good condition.

$75 Shipped Conus only. PP FF. Firm

.22 Cal, used in almost mint condition. Cone end, 1/2 UNF.

Up for sale is a uragan in .25 caliber. Walnut stock. With moderator. Nothing wrong with it shooting hades at 920 fps. Less than half inch groups at 35 yards. 1450 shipped. If interested text 307-630-6531 for pics and questions

Got up this morning and sipping on my morning and looking out my Den window. Bouncing around my 20 yard marker are three squirrels looking for acorns. I couldn’t help myself and went to the garage and grabbed the Leshiy 2 in .30.
I have been trying some slower speeds to keep the sound down and just put on a Huma Mod50; got it shooting the 44.5 JSB’s at 704fps, which is plenty for mr.squirrel. Walked back into the den and slowly cranked open my window so not to startle the three.
Couldn’t believe that after the first one flipped over only one of the squirrels took off; the other just sat there looking at me. A quick pull of the trigger and squirrel number two down. What a nice way to start the morning!

First time PCP owner here. Managed to overfill and now I have a gun that won't hold air. I'm assuming it's a simple fix with a burst disc replacement, but I don't know where to look.

Called Air Venturi. I was told it's a 6k PSI disc(or maybe it was 5k - I don't remember), but not how to get a replacement, or where it is located within the gun. Apparently there is only had one person doing tech support, and she couldn't give me any information beyond that, until they get back to me later this week.

That's helpful, but I had planned to take this thing to the range before then. I'd like to find a solution to this seemingly simple problem, but have not found anything about this issue so far. If this has already been addressed elsewhere, could someone please point me in the right direction?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Question for those that have had, or still own a Veteran long in .22 caliber. Does the gun shoot the 25.4gr MRD pellets well? I've read mixed results from searching in here. I'm trying to pick out my next .22 rifle and would prefer a gun that can shoot the MRD's well. I have a bunch on hand so it would be nice if my next gun will shoot them well. It won't be the only pellet I shoot since I have lots of 18's, plus an assortment of different weight "hunting" style pellets as well.

If most don't seem to like them I may switch my sights onto a Prophet Performance.

I’m looking to try some heavy slugs in the 700mm M3. I’ve seen slugs from 50-78grains that will fit with my CARM single shot magazine. I can’t seem to find any reviews with ammo heavier than 46ish grains. would love to hear some results with heavy weight high power tuning!

Can you use a patchworm on a Daystate barrel like on the Redwolf or Delta wolf or will it pull the oring out of the groove in the breech?

I have an LCS AirArms Sk-19 in .25 cal up for discussion. It'll come with a 4×12 Hawke scope. Case. Bipod, And ammo. It's been a great gun just don't have time to enjoy it how I want to.

Asking price is 1300$ price is semi flexible. I would be willing to ship, but as I never have shipped a gun I might need help on getting it done properly.
I prefer venmo, PayPal, or cash.
If you have any questions please let me know id be happy to answer anything!
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