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FT Range Cards for Springer and PCP

This was surprising when done.

My tune kit for the HW97K came today, was able to put it in and run a couple hundred pellets through. Zeroed it at 30 yards. Velocity was 819 ft/ps with JSB 10.34.

Ran the info through a ballistics program for a range card. Will verify tomorrow. This was a new program to me so also ran my PCP used for FT to compare to the old program. When both were printed out they are almost identical. Both have the same scope a Hawke Airmax 4-16 old one. Really surprised me in a pleasant way.

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Stretching my new HW50S's legs out

Recently I purchased an HW50S in .177 from PA. During the break in phase at 10 yards I used Iron sights at the pellet trap.
I did not enjoy that in low light and knew they wouldn't suffice with my 4 eyes and longer distances, so I bought a BSA 3-9X40 AO Scope from Optics Planet.
I mounted the scope as soon as it arrived and the groups tightened up combined with the seasoning of the barrel.
Took her out to the Conservation Club range on the 4th of July figuring no one would be there. Wrong, a dad was on the 50 shooting his air gun his two chatty 9-11 y/o sons were firing some cheap Chinese bb guns and were happy to be hitting paper at the 25 yard pistol range. Soon though I had the range to myself and this is when we really stretched out the 50s for a true test.

I shot 12 different pellets (10 per pellet) at 10 meters from 7.87 to 10.65 grains. My best groups were with the JSB Diabolo Exact 8.44 gr, H&N Field Target Trophy's at 8.64 gr and the RWS SuperDomes at 8.3 grains. One pellet I will not be using is the JSB Hades 10.34 gr due to loose fit as I lost several during the loading phase when closing the breach. I crushed one pellets skirt during closing and managed to get it out simply by elevating the barrel.
Question: On the H&N Barracuda Green (lead free) at 6.64 gr it states "for PCP only". Is this OK to use on Springers?

My next time out I will be getting out the chrony and then taking her out to 25 yards and maybe 50.
So far I am impressed with the HW50S and I find it a joy to shoot even with the extra left arm strain.

𖦏 Huben GK1 Pistol: .22cal -vs.- .25cal: for Hollow Point Expansion

🔘 Huben GK1 Pistol 🔘

🔸.22cal vs. .25cal🔸

Hollow Point Expansion

for Close and Mid Range Pesting


The GK1 pistol is a fascinating piece of equipment, in that such a small thing has so much power, and is semi-auto!

I don't have the funds, but I have to have a goal to save up, so.... —
to help me in my decision process which caliber, I did a little ballistic comparison of

.22cal vs. .25cal —​

so see which caliber would give me
expanding hollow point performance
for close to mid range pesting

(rats, squirrels, pigeons, etc.).


■ The most important condition for hollow points to expand on impact is their impact velocity (IV).
Assuming the lead is reasonably soft (below the CPHP hardness), HP usually will expand well at 800fps impact velocity (IV).
At 750fps IV many still do expand some.
At 700fps IV some still do expand some.
Below that all bets are off (until I have ran more terminal ballistic test 😊).


Here are the impact velocity results ChairGun spit out for me:


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🟠 Discussion of the results:
● At 10 yard ratting range
the .22cal Polymag clearly produces a much higher impact velocity (850fps), virtually guaranteeing hollow point expansion.
The others all start out below 800, though because of their higher BC they don't loose as much velocity on their way out to 10y, so they all hit the rats between 750 to 780fps. I would definitely expect HP expansion with the .25 Polymag.

● At 25 yard mid range pesting the picture changes. Now the .22cal Polymag (due to its low BC) has shed velocity much quicker than both caliber slugs. These three now all impact with nearly the same IV of 750 to 770fps. ➔ HP expansion is still likely, with the .25cal probably expanding more due to its larger impact surface.
The .25 Polymag is down to 700 IV, and HP expansion will be less and/or less likely.

🟠 Preliminary Conclusion
(a) For close range ratting
the .22cal seems to be the better choice, considering that it would give significantly more shots per fill.

(b) For mid range pesting the .22 pellet and slug are about even with the .25 slug. Which would give an edge to the .25 slug as it will have more impact energy.
However, if the shots are angled upwards (birds in trees), I could't use slugs — due to their high BC they would fly far and hit much harder than a low BC pellet!

(c) Another consideration are the ages-ago announced and still not delivered FX SLULLETS (or FX PELLUGS).
From the photos they are slugs, comparatively light, and with a huge hollow point. If they ever arrive at production status, these will be very light slugs that are highly expanding, and that will have a much higher impact velocity in .22cal than in .25cal, resulting in more HP expansion.
So, again, .22cal seems to be better for this scenario.

(d) The much higher shotcount of the .22 is also an important consideration — as ratting will quickly empty the magazine — and the tiny air reservoir!



🟠 QUESTIONS
I have the same power numbers that you all have from the different videos and sales pages.
.22cal: they say 4-33FPE
.25cal: they say 4-38FPE

❓Does that seem a rather small difference between the two calibers, only 5FPE more when going up to .25cal?
❓Or is the 33FPE for .22cal a bit optimistic (since their shot count example used 23FPE)?

It seems like the GK1 pistol in .22cal has typical PCP rifle power.
But in .25cal is is rather underpowered in comparison to PCP rifles.
❓Is this fair to say?

Matthias




● Projectiles and their color coding:
Red: .22cal Polymag | 30FPE | 0.021BC
Green: .22cal Hybrid | 30FPE | 0.060BC
Blue: .25cal Polymag | 36FPE | 0.028BC
Purple: .25cal Hybrid | 36FPE | 0.070BC
(These are conservative BC numbers.)

Optics  SOLD March 3x28 IR scopes

Catch and release...Bought them to try out, but unfortunately they won't work for me. Two scopes (one new in box, the other one opened with no box) and two sets of 30mm high weaver/picatinny rings. $50 shipped for both. US Sales only. Prefer PayPal FF or can accept check/money order. Will ship upon receipt of cleared funds and tracking # will be provided.


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Hunting / Pesting Permissions…

I must confess that “all” my permissions came through my wife. She being more of a social butterfly, got to know many of the locals in our community before me. I was fortunate that for a while I had two dairies within minutes of my home. But alas, they are no more. Just found out my sweet wife has some colleagues whose relatives own a dairy. It’s further away, but an opportunity nonetheless. Am hoping to get some “active dairy” action before the end of summer. Am desperately wanting to unleash my BRKs. Wish me luck gentlemen and ladies. Never would have thought that my pesting opportunities would come through my girl.🤓🙀🙈🐀🐿️🐦⬛🦫🐀🦝🐁

Pathfinder XR, six, five shot groups at 40 yards

No cherry picking, just as I shot them after work today. Bipod front fist as rear, singly loaded. As you can see groups 1-3 and 6, each had a friggin’ trigger induced flyer. Group 5, I don’t know what happened.🙀Am hoping that after a couple tins that the trigger lightens up. It’s much heavier than on my Atomic XR.

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Optics  SOLD Leupold VX-II 3-9x33 EFR Rimfire Riflescope

Used in mint condition. Was mounted on my HW 97K for around 3 years. It has a custom reticle that I am showing in the photos (taken with my phone). Scope has lifetime warranty (see below).

I also have Sportsmatch 1-Pc Adjustable Mount w/1" Rings, High, 9.5-11mm Dovetail that I can include for additional $30.
See photo for scope specifications.

reviews


Leupold Warranty (from Leupold site)
"If any Leupold Golden Ring product is found to have defects in materials or workmanship, we will, at our option, repair or replace it. Free. Even if you are not the original owner. No warranty card required. No time limit applies."

Leupold VX-II scopes are fully sealed and are designed to be waterproof and fog proof.


Asking $275 shipped CONUS + $30 if you want the mount.

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Best bang for the buck?

As many know here I've had the privilege to own many different guns over the whole spectrum of budgets from say the lowly Benjamin Maximus to the top notch AAA Evol. Enjoyed most, some I didn't care for. But I gotta say one of the most bang for your buck guns out there has been the Umarex Notos. I was looking for a little gun to get for shooting pigeons that roost in our barn. Nothing special and preferred to be lower powered. Everyone kept talking about the Notos. I even made a thread telling people to talk me out of it hoping that people that had it maybe didn't enjoy it so I would move on and keep looking. A $250 gun can't be that good right? Boy was I wrong. I pushed it off as long as I could but once PA had them in stock I caved. Upon receiving I have taken probably 60 pigeons from our barn with it. Now I've shot it more than that just plinking at dirt clods or spinners cause it's just fun to shoot but being put to work it does an excellent job. I gotta say only hang up has been the stock mag is ok at best. Just got a CARM 12 shot for it and much better now. I gotta give it to the Notos for my uses it's been arguably the best bang for the buck gun I've shot to this day. Not my best gun and there's been others that I think were more than worth the money, but something about this Notos just really impresses me.

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What, in your opinion, has been your best bang for the buck PCP?

The Hatsan 125 PRO, What's the big deal with this version?!

Hello everyone, I hope you're all doing well...
I've recently come across the new Hatsan's line of traditional springers and gas-ram air rifles titled ZADA, alongside which, they've also updated the venerable mod. 125 rifle from their magnum line of break barrels. This newest model has got a skeletonized stock, which I personally don't really like, because it'll most certainly throw the gun off balance and leave it almost exclusively front heavy among the rest of the 125 versions. I reckon they've made this decision, because they wanted to reduce the overall weight of the gun and make it more manageable to shoot - it does have a pistol grip after all, but I'd much rather have a solid, synthetic stock than a skeletonized one, making the gun front heavy. On the other hand, what I really like about this one is that it comes with almost the same rubberized muzzle end, like most of their other break barrels have, which is also hooded in addition to that of the previous models, which all have an exposed front post (save for the very early 125s with really short muzzle end blocks, those had a covered front post sight).

Other than that, I didn't really notice anything new, but hey, it's a new version/iteration in their line of 125s... So far we've got the thumbhole stock version, the standard 125, Dominator verison, the 125 Sniper... maybe there are even more, that I haven't listed here ( We're talking about the 125 model here, exclusively! ).

So, does anybody have this new PRO model, what else is different about this one from the older ones? Does it have a different finish on it, perhaps an oversized-bore issue?
Let me know, if anybody's got this thing in possession, I'm really curious about it :)

Here's the link to one of these guns: https://www.balistas.com/hatsan-125-pro-5-5mm

Projectiles  SOLD Pellet LOT .22 Cal (H&N, JSB, RWS)

The following complete lot is available for shipping within the USA.

Based upon the prices of the can's new I estimate the total value here to be around 90$

I am asking $55 shipped to anywhere in the USA!
  • JSB Match Diabolo Hades .22 Cal, 15.89 Grain, Hollowpoint - QTY 2 FULL NEW Cans and 1 Can half full = estimated 1200 pellets​

  • H&N Sniper Light .22 Pellets 14.04 Grain -QTY 2 FULL NEW Cans and 1 Can half full = estimated 700 pellets​

  • H&N Baracuda Light .22 Pellets 21.14 Grain -QTY 1 FULL NEW Can *HAS DENT and 1 Can mostly full = estimated 300 pellets​

  • RWS Superdome .22 Pellets 14.5 Grain - QTY 1 can mostly full = estimated 180


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Panthera compact hunter .25 vs Sidewinder .25 : The truth.

After shooting A LOT with the Panthera and picking again the Sidewinder, now I am ready to give my opinion in the comparison of this two rifles:

- Both rifles are equally accurate. SUPER ACCURATE !!!

- The Sidewinder is more powerful and easier to adjust the power up and down than the Panthera

- The Sidewinder is much more comfortable to shoulder than the Panthera. Far away !!

- In the case of the Panthera I received, the trigger is far away of being good. The one on the Sidewinder is better, and the one of my Wolverines and many others, are much better.

- The configuration in the Panthera having a 580 cc bottle in the front and 300 cc bottle in the rear gives much more shots per fill than those expected from the Sidewinder.

- The Sidewinders feels lighter than this Panthera.

It would be an act of show off ( that is not pretended at all ) to share a comparison of groups of those two rifles at my longest target distance that is, actually, 85 yards. But I can truly testify that both rifles are more accurate than my skills as shooter. That mean that without wind, a pellet on pellet at that distance is perfectly possible with both rifles.

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So many great guns, which 25 should I choose? Niksan or Taipan veteran?

I am wanting a new rifle even though nothing is wrong with my Hatsan 44 in 22 cal. It is a rabbit killing machine out at my desert compound.
My new rifle will be a 25 cal and I am trying to decide between the Nicksan Ozark,and the Taipan Veteran II. Both look amazing for my use. I have 42 acres so neighbors aren't an issue.
Most of my shots are no more than a 100 yards maybe a little more. Any opinions would be welcome, thanks
Terry

Projectiles  SOLD Mixed lot of pellets and some slugs. 22, 25, and a little bit of 177.

Pellets and slugs. Some are sealed, some are opened, some are old. .22, .25, and .177 calibers.
What you see is what you get. I opened the non-full tins to give you an idea of how much is left. Package deal only.
Not pictured in overall package pic - 1 full box of .25 ZAN slugs.

Click on the thumbnails for a larger pic.

$100 shipped conus. PayPal F&F preferred or add 3.5%
Will be shipped in a flat rate shipping box. All tins will be taped closed to help prevent opening during shipping.

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Beaumont Grizzly .22 , opinions needed

Hi , I'm looking for a PCP a bit different from the well-known brands . So I wonder if a Beaumont Grizzly in .22 , 110 Ft/lb could be worthwile to get. I didn't find a lot of reviews on YouTube about this gun , so I should need some help from guys who own one ; accuracy , reliability , maintenance .....how does it compare to other high priced airguns ? It will be use for long range target shooting .

So if somebody of you could give me experiences about this gun , I'll appreciate a lot . Due to the cost ( about $ 3200 ) , I want to be sure not to throw my money away ;) .

Thanks

Aldea6

Traditional Rifle  SOLD 3 SIG Sauer Rifles! ASP20, Virtus, and MCX Package deal!

All three SIG Sauer Rifles in this package deal!
All have the original boxes. All have been used but are in decent shape.
Pretty neat to get 3 styles of air rifle in one deal... PCP, Co2, and Springer.

I think the the .22 cal ASP20 is a wonderful springer and I enjoyed owning it and shooting it! There are some light scratches on the right side of the grip.

The .22 cal Semi-auto Virtus PCP is a fun rifle! It's got a small issue though. The fill valve is leaking. I was going to fix it and ask more for this package but, I simply do not have the time. I would imagine a quick call to Sig could get a new Foster fill valve headed your way and replacing it is as simple as unscrewing the old and screwing back in the new.

The .177 cal MCX Co2 powered rifle is a cool one. It uses the 88 or 90 gram Co2 cartridges for propellant. I went through about 6 cartridges enjoying this rifle. It may or may not need a new sealing o-ring. I don't recall the last time I shot it and don't have any Co2 to try it out or include with it.

Also included are 4 magazines and 8 pellet belts! This design, while functional, has been known to jam or misfire from time to time. I experienced this a number of times when shooting rapid fire. I do tend to test the limitations when it comes to speed shooting so, perhaps I was just over stressing the system?

$600 shipped, Conus only. PayPal F&F preferred or add 3.5%.
Rifles will be shipped double boxed in 2-3 separate boxes.

Happy Shooting!
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Fx impact M3 recomend tuning for 22 cal 23 gr H&N slug HP

Hello fellow Airgun Enthusiasts. I am new to this forum and this is my first post.

I would like to have a fx company recommended tuning for my FX Impact M3 for shooting 22 cal. H&N 23 gr slug HP.

I have a stock Fx Impact M3 with a 1:24 twist rate line so I can only shoot slugs upto 23 gr (as mentioned on the fx USA website)(https://fxairguns-usa.com/fx-superior-stx-liner-twist-rates/).

I would also like to know different make and weight slugs that would work best for my Impact M3.

Thank you
Talha

Trying different brands NSA and h&n heavies

Sorry this is a picture I just didn't feel like rewriting it from another thread. Also before you read this just know that I am not trying to put NSA slugs down I think that they make a very consistent slugs but I have had better luck with h&n heavies 38 grain slugs in my gun just for reference the h&n slugs are going an average of 1018 fps and the NSA 38.5gr slugs are going an average of 1009 fps.
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.25 pellet head size performance comparison

I am about 2/3 of the way sorting through 10 tins of JSB King Heavy MKII for head size. So far, about 60% are 6.37mm, 30% 6.38mm, and 10% 6.36mm. My goal is to ascertain the accuracy relevance of head size to weight. Once I get them sorted bu head size, then I will sort for weight within .10 grain tolerances and see how much better matched head sizes and weights do compared to just shooting from the tin as they come out.

Yesterday, I took my Skout and shot two groups of each head size, without regard to weight differentials, in near perfect wind conditions. The distance was 86.5 yards. As you can see below, the 6.37 and 6.38 head sizes performed much better than the 6.36. It will be interesting to see how they compare when I have the weights matched as well.

Using a Pelletgage for the sorting. Bought it direct last week and received great service.

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