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SOLD 45min SBCA tank NOS (2019) $410 - (SPF)

New old stock Dragar 45min SCBA tank. I filled it once and put it back in the box. Moving and no room to take it with me.
No issues with tank at all.
(What looks like dings is reflection from the camera)

$410 shipped (west of Mississippi add $10)
Paypal F&F (No G&S due to tax issues) Venmo, USPS MO or CASH.

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Things I noticed at a match today

Evening everyone,

i got on the road this morning well before sunrise to attend an air rifle match at CMP in Anniston AL and I must say, it was interesting in several ways. This event was open to multiple age groups all shooting against each other. I was clearly the oldest shooter as the others ranged in age from 13 to maybe 25. While my Beeman rifle was easily more capable than me it was also the least costly by far next to the Anschutz, Walther and other purpose built rifles. Let’s just say I was not a top ten finisher and leave it at that. What I found impressive and very encouraging was that every other shooter there had clearly worked hard to develop a routine that worked and that even the youngest had a lot of family support. While my Beeman is maybe a $250 rifle the others started at $4K and up. Add in all the other support gear, cost, time and travel involved and I left feeling very upbeat about the future of shooting sports in general. What’s more was that these shooters were at least polite and generally downright friendly and helpful as was true of everyone else. I made sure I registered for the October match before I left. Now for the work and practice.

Rick H.

Favorite .25 Cal. Which one is yours and why?

My must accurate .25 Cal PCP at 90 yards is the Vulcan 2, but my favorite one is the Renegade HP because of power (66 foot pounds) and because of the electronic trigger.

The only problem with the Renegade HP is that you need to take with you a squba or a portable compressor because it only gives 25 hunting shots per fill. Solved that the Renegade HP is a dream of hunting rifle.

HW30 Traditional vs Jetsons

Ordered a HW30 from Krale this past Wednesday morning and I was holding it Friday afternoon. ?? Of course it came with the new Jetsons laser stock. I could not wait to get it off. What the heck is Weihrauch thinking??? The gun shot accurately and averaged 685 fps with 7 grain Basic wadcutters. Monday a Vortek tune kit is going in. I had a traditional style stock left over from the addition of a custom stock. The stock is probably 15+ years old now but it was the sprayed stain type with the checkering filled with clear finish. I wanted to add a Weihrauch Diopter sight so I hoped to make the gun look vintage like they once were. I removed the old finish and stain and tried to get the Beech stock to have the old look.
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I may not be an owner, but it's nice to be a user

Recently had surgery to remove a basil cell carcinoma from the schnoz, so I couldn't bend over or lift, so the wife asked our two new neighbors to do a little heavy lifting for us, moving an old Sony Trinitron tv. One of the fellas saw my airguns, so we had something to talk about, and then he informed me that I was welcome to use his Yong Heng compressor!


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Was able to fill all my bottle builds by connecting directly to the foster, but couldn't get anything to work trying to fill any of my tanks.

There will definitely be one of these in my cart at some point, but I do wish I could fill my tanks before returning lol -

Picked up an FWB Sport finally. Quick tune results.

As pretty much everyone knows, the FWB Sport is a jumpy, slammy, godawful shot cycle from the factory. Ran some pellets over the chrono and was getting 860fps with both the JSB 8.44gr and the FTT 8.64gr. From my experience, the FTTs are usually a good 20-30fps slower so it was a safe bet the Sport was a bit over sprung. Cutting a single coil would likely soften the shot cycle some while maintaining a very similar velocity withe the JSBs. I opted to remove 2 coils though and hopefully really tame the beast.

I removed the spring (guide is just as poorly fitted as expected), snipped and flattened two coils, relubed, and reinstalled everything. Re ran the JSBs over the chrono and sure enough I was still sitting at 835 fps with the JSBs with the added benefit of a much tamer gun. With only 200 shots or so on it now, I expect it to only get better with time. When I have a bit more free time I'll turn myself a proper guide and call it a day. Here is a shot cycle comparison between my HW50S (stock spring, Vortek piston seal) and the FWB Sport.

POP! Cans video - testing with my new AEA HP SS Max

I've never done any content on shooting - but I figured, what the heck, since I'm out there blasting stuff and having fun, it may be worth making some videos and sharing.

I certainly enjoy watching stuff blow up in slow-mo - let me know if this sort of thing is something you'd want to see more of and I might make some more videos - I know this isn't anything special at all, but, it's not really intended to be - just a simple video of me shooting the 'standard' target I've used since I was a kid. Water filled coke cans.

.25 FX Crown FPS tune for accuracy

New crown owner as of about two weeks. Love it. I just got my chrono in today and think I’ve got my tune dialed in now. Backed off of max internal hammer screw until the fps leveled off around 930-935. 130 on the reg shooting jsb 25.39s. Turned wheel down to get it at about 896 fps currently. Didn’t have time to shoot groups tonight before dark so going to in the morning, hitting dime sized marks at 50 yards with last three shots I took right around 890-896 fps. My question is for you .25 cal guys shooting the 25.39 pellets what’s your sweet spot for fps for accuracy? Until I get a better scope I won’t be reaching out to 100 yards too often so until the scope upgrade i won’t step up the pellet weight and will be sticking with the 25.39.

25mm manometer advice

With my gun (Huben K1) completely drained of air, the manometer needle is not at zero exactly which is not doing my OCD any good!:mad: I want to to adjust this (I know, I know, first world problems). Is there any way of removing the plastic window without cracking it, and if not are there any plastic clear window replacements in case there is no way to remove it without cracking it. Its a 25mm manometer gauge, looks pretty standard. There doesn't seem to be any sideports where I could insert a syringe and pop it off.

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Old Springers stored for years - how to lube/clean before use - vintage mint cond/NOS Beeman imports

I have some old Beeman imported Springers that still are NIB, still have the hang tag on, etc.. I would like some advice on refreshing some of these old springers that were put away and never used. Should I wait to shoot them until I relube/clean/etc. Many of these have never been fired, most used very little, and from the paperwork in the boxes many were factory or dealer "Supertuned". Thank You, I am springer ignorant as far as working on them.
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SOLD Element Helix 6-24x50, SFP

LNIB - Element Helix 6-24x50, SFP scope. It has the EHR-1C MOA reticle. No scratches, marks or dings. Comes with all original accessories, manual, box, etc.

$315 OBO and will ship free within CONUS. Not interested in trades. PayPal F&F or buyer pays insurance. Venmo is also an option. PM with any questions and thanks for looking.

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A Standard Testing Method

Standardizing Moderator Testing in the Airgun World
Oldspook
16 Sept. 2022


Introduction: The genesis of a significant number of silencer manufacturers specializing in products intended for the airgun market over the last decade has created a need for a standardized testing method. This paper is intended to define one such method.


Orientation: There are a number of problems which should be addressed when attempting to measure silencer efficiency on a standardized scale, not the least of which is the cost of high quality testing equipment. Some will say you can't get meaningful measurements without specialized equipment costing hundreds or thousands of dollars. To those people I say, “research ballistic pendulums”. To anyone interested in comparing one moderator to another I say, “You can do that with enough accuracy to inform your choices and have some fun while you are at it.” Information you glean will be comparable to others on a larger scale and even if the “nay sayers” tell you your information is not accurate you can reply, “It is more accurate than no information at all.” Seriously though, you will be able to make reliable comparisons and your data will be valuable to those of us who are engaged in similar pursuits.


Equipment: Well you are going to need an air rifle or air pistol. You will benefit from the use of a chronograph but one is not required. You will need a cell phone with a dB meter application or better still an actual dB meter. I use my phone and this application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splendapps.decibel


It works just fine (EDIT: MAR 23; with the caveat that very short duration noises may not be captured). You will need a place quiet enough to do your testing. Anywhere with an ambient noise level of about 60 dB will do just fine. I have never tested a moderator, even on a sub-twelve foot pound PCP that was quieter than 66 dB (on a DRY day) so a noise floor of 60 dB is far more than adequate.


Setup: To create a standardized test we need a standardized setup. Most people don't have easy access to an indoor range. The good news is you don't need access to one. This method isn't going to define what application you should use or what phone or equipment you should use. Such rules are too restricting in a practical environment. We are not lab rats (well I might be) but most of us are shooters wanting to learn more not scientists conducting a million dollar government study. You should use whatever device you elect to use to make your measurements. We will control the things which are easiest to control. Measurements should be taken at a standardized location relative to the muzzle. I strongly recommend you place your sensor fifteen feet from the muzzle of your airgun and on a line perpendicular to the direction of fire. There are a couple of reasons for that suggestion. The first reason is safety. You have to walk to the meter after each shot and read what it says. You should not be walking down range to do that. The second reason I suggest that location has to do with the purpose of the moderator. Most shooters moderate their airguns to keep from upsetting their neighbors. Neighbors are generally not down range. If they are you wouldn't be shooting. So fifteen feet from the muzzle at 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock seems like a good place. The microphone on your device should be pointed directly at the airgun. Why? The direct pulse of firing will arrive at the microphone first and will be louder than reflections with this setup barring some rather unusual geometries. But why 15 feet? Fifteen feet because that is a large enough distance to give us the ability to calculate other information as I have shown in a different post. If you are too close it is hard to extrapolate the "detectable" range and if you are too far it is hard to get a good sound reading. That's your setup. It is pretty straight forward.

Method: When testing PCPs you should try to keep your shots at the same regulator setting on a regulated rifle and close to the same shot number in the shot string for an unregulated rifle. Spring rifles and other platforms will be inherently similar so long as you are shooting the same ammunition for the entire test cycle. The more data points you get the more accurate the statistics based upon your data will be. You need first to establish your baseline. You must do this every time you conduct a test because conditions change. Your baseline is the average of three or more shots from the airgun under test with no moderator attached. If the rifle is a shrouded rifle, the baseline is established with the rifle as it was delivered from the vendor. In other words, don't take your shroud off the rifle, unless you just like the pain. In the end you are going to report information about your rifle anyway. So you shoot three shots with no moderator and write that data down. Then you average that data. At that point you start testing the moderator(s). Shoot the same number of shots with each moderator that you shot to establish your baseline. Average those numbers for each moderator. The averages are all that matter for our purposes.

Interpreting your results (dB/CC): We need something simple that will help us to evaluate the relative efficiency of one moderator over another. So I hereby declare the standard measurement of silencer efficiency to be decibels per cubic centimeter. How do you calculate that? Measure the length of your moderator and the diameter, do it in millimeters it makes the math easier. There are any number of applications on the web which can be used to calculate the volume of a cylinder. Find one. Use it. Once you know the volume of your moderator in cubic centimeters, you divide that number into the difference between your unmoderated airgun and your moderated airgun.

Or you can make a spread sheet that does that math. Like the one attached. This is for a test I did this afternoon. I am very proud of the moderator I modified for my Stormrider.

I hope the community finds this concept useful. It would be nice to have a number which rates a moderator in comparison to other moderators.

NOTE: Humidity and temperature will change sound propagation. That is why you need to identify a standard moderator and always establish a baseline with it EVERY time you test. Today I tested my "standard" moderator against itself. It was a very humid day today. I have been doing my testing in dry months. My "standard" moderator tested an average of 3 dB louder today than it has tested on dry days. So did every other moderator I tested today. So there is a bit of anecdotal information which might be worth having, moderators work better on dry days.

MORE HERE

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New Vulcan 3

Fx 18.1’s running about 1020 middle of the target , sighted up once

Next 25.4 JMRD’s ran about 880, best group bottom left

Next 21g Gamo’s ran about 925 bottom right grouping

New gun, cleaned the bore, and shot at 50 yards direct cross wind 10-12ish, against fence.

Not sure if i wanna leave it alone, and shoot redesigns, or turn it down and try to get the 18’s to fly better…

This gun tics all the boxes for a lefty. mag is flush on both sides, safety inside trigger well, and cocking lever is on the left.. i have no use of my right hand, other than a rest, so this gun is really going to suit me well i think. Wanted one for a long time, but went argus 60 instead, then an m3, now onto this one. Thanks ViperJoe for a great deal on it. So far im pretty happy

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