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.20 HW98 Performance and Maintenance Review

A few days ago on AGN, a newbie inquired on a post (always very subjective) something to the effect of what is the best break barrel rifle balancing accuracy and power. I have owned several models and calibers of the different Weihrauch rifles over the years. Most of them were really great and accurate rifles in their own right. And even though everyone says the 98, R9, and 95 are basically the same rifles, in my experience, the R9s and the 98s are the best day in and day out shooters of all of the models, on a consistent basis. Find a good older R9 to purchase on line, and you will likely get a rifle that will shoot. If you want a new rifle, to me, the safe bet is the 98. Between rifles I have purchased new and those I have helped friends acquire and tune, I have probably had my hands on six to eight 98s, and they all shoot.

This particular rifle was acquired new from AOA in March of 2021. Truthfully, it shot pretty well out of the box, but had too much "buzz" for me and I thought I could improve on the accuracy and the smoothness of the trigger. So disassembly began after having only shot maybe 30 shots with it out of the box. I did a complete tear down of the rifle and the trigger, hand polishing all of the "working" metal surfaces on both. I went back with a Vortek PG4 Steel HO kit, removing coils to the point it would shoot somewhere in the 14.5 to 15.5 fpe range, which I typically find is the max power limit in a springer to have a good energy output for killing tree rats while maintaining accuracy.

This rifle turned out like all of my other 98 experiences, it just shoots lights out every time. It is smooth and the trigger breaks like glass. Testing all of the available .20 pellets, this one shows a preference for the H&N 11.42 gr pellets. After the initial tune, it was consistently shooting 10 shot groups of +/- 1" at 50 yards.

Pulling it out of the vault yesterday, upon careful inspection, not much had changed. I haven't really shot this rifle very much, so the barrel was nearly spotless from the last time I cleaned it. The scope and stock screws hadn't moved. And at the first shot at 18 yards on the indoor range, it missed dead center by maybe 1/8" inch.

The final test results can be seen below. For someone wanting a consistent, well built rifle, that will stand the test of time, an HW98 is hard to beat.

BTW - the .20 is absolutely my favorite springer caliber. Every .20 rifle I own is extremely accurate. While I am not sure that is universal, it just happens to be my experience.

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The squirrel and the Coyote - DS Revere

Hi gang,

It’s Saturday night, and I have never posted a squirrel hunting story.

I have a backyard woods behind my house. It is usually target rich with critters of all types: Squirrels, Raccoons, Foxes, Possums, and Coyotes. Lots of Hawks also.

Today, I shot a squirrel at 37 yards on one of my favorite squirrel runs. A downed tree, but one large branch above ground about 2-12 feet.

I have a Scope Werks big wheel on my Athlon 6-24X50 Helos FFP scope. Magnification at 9X. Zero’d at 25 yards. I placed the .22 Revere on my window sill and had a JSB 18.1 in the DS magazine.

I see a squirrel on the branch, take my time, and gently squeeze with a perfect trigger. I hear a loud pop. Aimed at his head. I see him fall down, then run 10 yards. He apparently ran into a big hole left from a fallen OAK tree. I go out And cannot find the squirrel.

Crap. I am 100% sure I hit him good.

Fast forward an hour to dusk. A Coyote is in the woods. He goes to where I was 30 minutes prior. He is rooting around near where I saw the squirrel run too.

You guessed it! He comes out of the hole with my dead squirrel in his mouth.

So, I did get him!

I loved the way this story ended. I got a squirrel and Coyote got dinner.
😀😀

Tom

Buddy Bottles, Damage and Testing

Looked everywhere for information, but its surprisingly lacking.

What experience does everyone have with Buddy Bottles - Specifically Damage to them and Testing?

So I was re-positioning the bipod, and part of the metal clasp started digging in to the Buddy Bottle while I was tightening it - Leaving two small dents, not overly deep, but you can see the silver under the carbon, and you can feel them with your finger.

Now Buddy Bottles already say you should technically get them testing every 5 years anyway.... but most diving places I know don't have the ability to test buddy bottles due to the valve on the bottles.

So what experience have people got with buddy bottles, any damage sustained to them through use (or in my case idiocy), and has anyone ever gotten one tested before?

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PCP Rifle  SOLD Sold---FX Dreamline Saber Tactical .22 cal.

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I bought this gun new as a walnut classic mid 2022. I added the Saber Tactical chassis and the FX tactical kit that includes the raised picatinny scope rail, external hammer spring adjustment wheel and flip safety. About this same time I purchased a RAW HM1000x chassis gun and put this one on the back burner. It has had less than 200 pellets shot through it and is in new condition. I'm including the gun, original unused .22 magazine, fill probe, thread protector and 3D printed barrel band. I'll include the original receipt so the buyer can have the remaining warranty.
I'm asking $1150.00 shipped to lower 48.
Local pickup or delivery within 100 miles of OKC for $1100.00.
I'm not interested in any trades right now.

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Tuning  Why do others not copy twistrates FX superior liners

I believe that FX has meanwhile found the close to “ holy grail” of twist rates to shoot pellets and slugs equally well with their” superior liners .” With the production methods of the liner production system of FX where the rifling is pressed in from the outside FX have the possibility to test easy and cost effective many variables in very ahort time frame. Wich they obviously did according to the many videos about this subject on the internet. Conventional barrel production methods are not so easy and economic to do such extensive testing . This advantage from FX made that FX obviously found the best twist rates for their liners / barrels supported by the results exposed all around. The South African partners from FX have contributed a lot to this experimenting and developing on what many shooters around the globe can be thankful for.
My question now is why do the conventional barrel producers lik CZ and Lothar Walther not just copy the so well developed features of the FX liners into their barrels to achieve equally well results with their supplies to the airgun brands. It looks so easy from the outside to do so hence have equally allround barrels that shoot pellets and slugs equally well.
Thanks for your appreciated opinions here

SOLD SOLD * New AirMaks Krait in .22 cal imported from Krale *Reduced to $1,000 shipped *

SOLD within a few minutes of --> Updated with price drop to $1,000 shipped and added more info on 12/5/22 -->

I purchased this .22 cal AirMaks Krait from Krale US as soon as they were released in Europe a couple of months ago. I prefer small light compact PCP carbines as I get older. It came directly from the AirMaks factory with the original regulator and parts and one .22 cal magazine. I've never had a chance to try an FX Impact, which seems somewhat similar in overall form to the Krait. And I wanted a chance to directly compare the new compact side-lever Krait to the more expensive Edgun Leshiy 2, and to a less expensive AEA semi-auto.

The Krait is nicely designed and functional little compact, with a smooth side lever which cycles well. The sound level seems about comparable to a Leshiy2 with 250mm barrel at a similar power level, maybe a bit deeper pitch. I tested a few dozen pellets through it before deciding to sell it. At the original hammer spring tension with which the rifle was received, 16.36gn HN Terminators shot at 845f/s or ~26fpe. Two turns on the hammer spring adjustment raised velocity to 941f/s or ~32.2 fpe. No other adjustments were made, and no instructions came with the rifle explaining how to adjust the regulator pressure. I just shot a few magazines of pellets through it, liked the build but decided again for about the 6th time that I prefer semi-automatic carbines over manual repeaters regardless of cost.

The sale includes the rifle itself, one fill probe with a Foster quick-connect fitting I screwed onto the end, a fill hose with what looks like a scuba(?) tank fitting on one end, one .22 cal magazine, and a 3D printed synthetic single-shot tray I'd ordered separately but have never tried. Plus the foam lined carry case it came in.

The asking price includes shipping within the US for the items shown in the pictures. It will all be very well padded and double boxed. Since this is a new model line it's hard to predict how these will work out in the long run. I didn't run enough pellets through the rifle to check the regulator well and the case didn't include any adjustment instructions. I read somewhere on a different forum that the newly released Katran/Krait magazines might not work correctly in the Krait. The magazine which came with the rifle works fine.

The compact Krait certainly competes well against other more established manufacturers when it to small size and quietude and external adjustments. But mostly side-lever actions just aren't the right fit for me anymore and I don't want another rifle to Mod and work on. The rifle cost me $1,390 a couple of months ago and, because the Krait is a new model in the market, with all the uncertainties that might include, I've decided to drop the price to $1,000 even and leave it there for now to see what happens. I've had a couple of inquiries so far but no solid offers to buy yet.

No counter offers or trades accepted. I can usually get to UPS within three of days of receipt of payment and will post the tracking info for the shipment as soon as I get it myself.

Thanks for looking


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SOLD Price plummets to $1,000 --> Weihrauch HW44 .22 pistol with wood pistol grip, carbine stock & 4 mags

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I purchased this Weihrauch HW44 22 cal pistol about 10 months ago. It is very well made and very quiet. The metal 10-shot magazines cycle smoothly with the side lever, and a magazine of test shots with 18.13gn Diablo pellets averaged about 680f/s or 18.4fpe. These pistols are already optimized for the best balance of accuracy and power.

After the HW44 arrived I ordered some custom wood grips for it from Rink-Formgriffe in Germany. One was a target style pistol grip ($165), currently mounted on the pistol, and the other was a carbine style shoulder stock ($265). The original black synthetic grip is ergonomic and functional and included. But these custom wood grips are both ergonomic and beautiful and they allow an easy 2 bolt conversion between long pistol and short carbine.

The HW44 pistol is so well made and quiet that I considered keeping it, but after a few magazines through it I decided that I prefer a semi-auto these days. The HW44 has been stored in a case most of the time I've had it. And now that the wood grips have finally arrived a few months after being ordered, it's time to sell it as a package.

The new asking price is $1,000, which is a drop of $175 over the previous price, and that includes shipping within the continental US. That's less than the cost of a new HW44 without the extra magazines or stocks. So basically, you're getting get the extra magazines and wood pistol target grip and carbine stock for free. It will be very well padded and boxed, I've had hundreds of sales with nothing broken in transit so far.

PayPal only, no counter offers or trades accepted on this one. I need to clear out the things which I'm not using, not collect more of them. I can usually get to UPS within three of days of receipt of payment and will post the tracking info for the shipment as soon as I get it myself.

I'll check the forum messages tomorrow, if you are ready to buy I'll send my PayPal address.

Thanks for looking

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Never saw one dance like this one did

Little squirrel, bad shot. It's been raining for a few hours and I finally gave up waiting it out and was heading to the grocery store. Opened the storm door and saw a squirrel sitting down to eat a pecan in one of my trees, just a couple feet from the one that has been hung up in the tree for a couple weeks. Grabbed the Uragan 22 and just having the knuckles of my support hand touching a roof post on the deck, tried to put a pellet in very front of shoulder, his body was behind a fairly large limb. Made a bad shot, hit him less than 1/2 inch from where I wanted, knew by the sound of the pellet smacking him I hit the head somewhere. The yellow line is about where the tree limb had his body blocked. He dropped straight to the ground and many times was springing straight up over 2 feet high, for over 5 seconds it was like he was on a trampoline. When he stopped I settled in for a second shot and saw he was dead already, no second shot needed. All that springing up in the air, at least 8 times higher than 2 feet, he ended up withing a foot of where he fell. I've seen plenty flop around vigorously but never springing into the air flipping like this guy did, never landed on feet, ass, sides, head, never on his feet.

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NLA New 2023 Regulated AR22 Hunting Master (Rare)

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This is the latest model of the Evanix Hunting Master (called the AR22). It's regulated and shoots with 40 foot pounds in .22. It's super accurate with FX 25.4 gr traveling around 950 FPS.

This is a brand new rifle delivered to me from Evanix to make a video. Only shot for one day then put it back in the box. This sells for $1349.00

Price $899 + $40 shipping. Paypal Goods and Services OK. You can PM me here, email me at [email protected] or call or text me at 360-844-0962

Will ship with original padded box, double boxed and well packed. Scope not included. Includes 2 magazines, fill probe, manual, padded box, orings.

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Fx Crown 177 tune

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Finished up a 177 tune for a guy Thursday. 500 mm shooting the fx 10.34. Amazing shot count and accuracy. Was really windy but it shot damn nice and guns really smooth. Sounds like a tuned race car. Think it will be a great field target gun for sure as that’s what he’s gonna use it for.

P-AIR A PELLET PRICES

was looking at cyber stuff lol looking through the list of pellets, see the 14.35gr jsb at almost 28.99 bucks a tin, i realize not a really used pellet like the 16-18 gr but golly gee is that crazy, so i looked around at the other shops to compare.
trenier is 16.99
utah is 20.99
high presure is 20.99
i really dont understand why such a big spread in prices thought there was a limit to map pricing?
i think the people better take hard look as they gotta save what they can as the pellets are getting crazy to shoot.
p-air at 25-30 a tin they sure should have whoever is marketing that place as i sure dont order from them, you get free tin but your not saving nothing

An honest question for manufacturers and the masses!

I've noticed that there's been a huge response to the situation concerning "DonnyFL", LDCs, pickles etc., etc. and etc. There's always, though it seems, been a gross misinterpretation concerning "DonnyFL, LDCs, pickles etc., etc. and etc. and the law. I presently own and have owned Air Arms 410Es in .177 and .22 calibers with a shrouded barrels and there's never been a need for "add-ons" to quiet them down? The question, "why aren't manufacturers" designing pcps where there would be no need for "add-ons" to the 1/2 inch threaded end of the muzzle. With todays technology, I'm sure they have thought about it but at the rate things are going with "DonnyFL, LDCs, pickles etc., etc. and etc. and the law", what does the future hold for those of us that have more than grown to appreciate our sport and hobby? Something to think about and I'm just curious!
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Time to get a .22 cal barrel for my Impact…

Rsfrid convinced me with his 8 yard .177 hole group thread… I’ve been resisting shooting in my basement for years but had to try it tonight just to see what I could do…

I shot 4 air rifles, my Crossman 760 I bought for nostalgia from my favorite local gun shop that closed up when the owners retired. I grew up in that shop. Trigger feels like the trigger on my Glock 17, actually I don’t think it’s as good. It was still fun though and I’ll keep playing with it. Shot my FWB 124 next after putting the scope on I’d just taken off. I’m not liking my springers much anymore and can’t say I enjoyed it, well it was my least favorite to shoot. Then it was my .177 Marauders turn. It shot well but this is a big bulky heavy gun and the bolt has a pretty heavy spring making it fairly hard to cock. I was resting across a stool while kneeling on the floor. Not a good setup and the Marauders bulk made it worse. I wasn’t going to shoot the Impact but I had too. Man, 25 caliber feels like a cannon in the basement after shooting the three .177’s and the pellets are a lot more expensive. This is where the .22 caliber barrel comes in…

I have an Impact and I don’t have a .22 cal air rifle now. I love shooting the Impact. The .22 pellets are substantially cheaper than .25 cal. My shot count will go way up. I’ll get some slugs for it. A new gun but much cheaper.

I’ll get a 700mm kit because that’s what my .25 is. I’m not getting a heavy slug liner yet, I’ll shoot mostly pellets and try a few light slugs just for the fun of experimenting. Don’t need to nor am I interested in shooting slugs indoors at 20 yards or less but can’t say I won’t be in that rabbit hole before too long. If I didn’t have the Marauder I’d be tempted to get a .177 barrel kit but I don’t need/want another .177 right now.

Is there anything I should know before I get the 22 barrel kit?

Georgia Airguns w/Charlie Frear - Atlas Airguns Podcast


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NLA FX Dream Tactical .22 300mm barrel and 480cc carbon bottle

FX Dreamline Tactical. This one has 300mm barrel and 480cc carbon bottle. I also have a 600mm shroud, it would just need a liner. Has pin probe, huma dual transfer port, and power plenum. Scope and rings do not go but I do have a SWFA ultralight 2.5-10x that could be added for extra. Nothing wrong with it just wanting to try something different .$1,350

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SOLD Moderators: Eagle Vision M4 .25 and STO Pugio

Sales Rules:
  • I accept PayPal or Venmo - F&F only. Not my preference, but will also do check or USPS MO and ship once cleared.
  • CONUS shipping is included in the asking price. Please allow up to 48 hours for shipping.
  • I will go based on PM timestamp.
  • Please - no trade offers for this sale.
Selling a few moderators today. Both are basically brand new and only used for a few shots for testing.

1 - Eagle Vision Sigma M4 in .25. 1/2UNF thread. Very nice moderator but a little heavier than I prefer.

Price: $125 SOLD

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2 - Silent Thunder Ordinance (STO) Pugio with POM end caps. 1/2UNF thread.

Price: $80 SOLD

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SOLD WTS .30 Edgun Leshiy 2 600m PACKAGE ((((SOLD)))

I am selling my 600m barrel edgun2 that i purchased and have had tuned by Brian @EDgunWest himself at edgunwest(i am local to his shop)
clocks in AVS 65g dish slugs at 850/860 FPS dime size groups at 20 yards easy. Tuned with a fixed regulator set at 150 bars with NO CREEP. I will include the regulator tester in this package deal. I do not recommend shooting pellets, this rifle puts out absolutely too much power for pellets for you to get a straight trajectory but when shot with slugs, youll see why this setup is a pin point slug tack driver. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the rifle, never been dropped, ZERO creep, I've baby'd this rifle as the original owner but its time to sell now because i need to funds for another project! ive spent 4k+ easily on this setup and firmly asking for 3000$,

Package Includes
-Edgun Leshiy 2 REPR
-Custom Fixed (NON Adjustable) regulator set at 150bars (this is the current functioning regulator in the rifle)
-REPR Adjustable Regulator (you can shoot pellets with this regulator on lower bar settings, you will have to install it yourself)
-Regulator Tester
-600M barrel + Handguard and MODERATOR
-300M barrel + SHROUD MODERATOR
-Custom AR GRIP AND Factory GRIP
-1x .30 Magazine
-Vortex Diamond Back Scope 24x50 and rings
-Accutac Bipods (REAL NOT FAKE)




-paypal f&f only
-Im up for a local meet up, we can meet at a gun range for a safe and secured transaction.
I'll even let you shoot it before purchasing ! Located in So Cal, Los Angeles County Area.

Any questions feel free to message me
or TEXT me at 626-822-0476
DO NOT CALL WITHOUT TEXTING FIRST OR I WILL NOT PICK UP

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My recent transaction with Baker Airguns

Hello everyone,

About a year ago I tried to buy a new rifle from Baker Airguns and things just did not go very well. I got pretty upset and posted my grief here on the Forum.

Well over two weeks ago I was looking for a .177 cal Marauder and found a used one at Baker Airguns on a Saturday night. I decided to go ahead and make the purchase via their website. I received confirmation and shipping information first thing Monday morning. Received the rifle within the week and after a close inspection I decided it was not the gun for me. I called and explained my situation and without any hesitation I was told to send the gun back for a full refund. Here I must add that they expressed much concern and apologized for any and all inconvenience this has caused me. I have to give Baker Airguns a Five Star rating for their customer service.

I also apologize for my hasty decision for making the negative posting here on the Forum. This Forum serves our air gun community in more than one way and it is very important that we all do our very best to maintain a fair, honest and positive support whenever we can.

ThomasT

76 yards off hand out the window 177 red wolf

I was on a conference call, when I saw this guy climb in one of my trees. I strategically placed my computer to the side as I slowly open the window. I took him off hand. I hit right where I was aiming. I always go for the neck, figuring if I’m a little bit high I get the head and if I’m a little bit low I get the CV. Full disclosure, my elbow was resting against the side of the window frame.

This was a big one.

Mike


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