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Foot Lbs verses roof damage ?s

We hunt pigeons at an industrial dairy farm on a weekly basis. The owner just put new fiberglass roofs on his barns. We have been using P-rods mostly and detuned them to shoot .22 pellets at 10.8 foot pounds or 585 FPS using 14.3 CPHPs. If we miss a bird we still put holes through the roof inside 40 yards. If we slow the 22s even further they become increasingly more unstable which produces more fliers. So I am wondering if going to a .177 pellet, will this have less chance of putting holes in the roof when the foot pounds of energy is lower?

Hypothetically, if a .22 and .177 BOTH had the same foot pounds of energy, would the smaller caliber, concentrating that same energy into a smaller area, have more chance to penetrate a fiberglass roof? I would think spreading the "same" energy into a wider area (larger caliber and POI footprint) might have less chance of penetration?

I am not that experienced using .177s. I had a Crosman Challenger for a brief while and it was pretty much a 10M gun which loved 8 grain wad cutters but shoot those WCs outdoors and the slightest wind would blow them all over the place. Even though we shoot inside barns, they have fans blowing so there is air movement. Are .177 round nose, shot at slower velocities, stable in a some wind?

Is there a general lowest speed range where .177s are accurate? Using the search function here it seems its similar to 22s in that 177s prefer 880-920 FPS too? I've found that when dropping below 700 FPS in .22s they start to lose accuracy and have more fliers.

Back to the title, I guess I am looking for suggestions to find a pellet caliber, weight and speed that won't poke holes in the fiberglass roofing and will still have enough energy to humanely drop a pigeon at 40 yards. Ideally I would love to find some scrap pieces of the same roofing to shoot at to find out what speed or energy level I need to stay below, but sadly I don't.

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Other  Aussie Airgun

Howdy all.

I've just bought a vertebrate pest control business, and am looking to get into shooting smaller pests such as rabbits, pigeons, rats etc.

I've got an array of firearms, but no decent air rifle. I'm looking for advice on what rifle (pcp) would best handle aussie conditions, and will be suitable to take down rats through to foxes. Been looking at the FX Impact M3 and Maverick, but mixed reviews have me cautious on dropping $3k+
I like the bullpup design for its compactness while not compromising on barrel length. Looking for probably a 600mm or 700mm barrel.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm in south australia, if that helps at all.

Whistle pig

19 yards in the hostas next to the foundation.

21.5 JTS Semi dome. Theses pellets shoot @ 860fps out of my AA s500.

Hit the little guy between the eye and ear and out the same spot on the other side.

The JTS performed nicely in the wind at 25 and 50 yards. Next time I order, I will get a bunch.

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Tuning  Does size matter (moderators)?

This may be a dumb question so forgive me. Let's just say I have a .30 cal rig setup with a moderator specifically bought with and for the .30 cal. Months later I decide I don't need that much power and get a.177 barrell. I use the same moderator but noticed groups are speratic where they were tight with the .30. I take the moderator off and groups tighten up.

The question is, if a moderator is rated for a caliber bigger than the current setup will it make a difference?

I have my opinion, but it's just that. Anyone have empirical data either way?

PCP Rifle  SOLD Air Venturi Avenger .25 Laminate stock

SOLD TO Pneumatic. THANKS

Just recently resealed by Firewalker here on the forum, holds air forever now.. Black Arts barrel band and brand new Laminate stock.. this gun is very accurate with Hades and FX 25.39 gr pellets.. will shoot 1 inch or under at 62 yds with either pellet when I do my part. Nothing has been done to gun other then barrel band and reseal.. junked the original plastic stock. Only marks are from screws/original barrel band can be seen in pics, easily covered with marker. Scope/ rings not included.
Only selling because just bought a Walnut S510 Extra in .25
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385.00 sh. lower 48..


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PCP Rifle  SOLD Macavity Arms MA2 Sniper Limited Edition (.22 caliber) $549

These are special models sent only to reviewers, months before the production versions will be available. This is actualy a different gun than the production model and comes with a Certificate of Authenticity with each influencers name printed on it. This one shot lights out and is address to me, "Nate". I can sign the Certificate if you want. Ultra-rare gun.

$549 free shipping. Ships well packed and double boxed. Paypal OK. You can PM me here or call or text me at 360-844-0962

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Only used for one day then put back in the box. Video here:

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FX  FX Impact fill probe

Hello I have a FX Impact M3 and i would like to replace the fill probe that is on the gun I believe the Part number is 16303
I'm pretty sure i have a very small air leak I sprayed it with some air leak detector fluid and i have some very tiny bubbles comming out from the very end of it it's not really that big of an issue but just an annoyance. I was going to change the fill probe out but i can not find one
anywhere to buy does anybody know a company in the usa that sells them because i cant find one anywhere Thanks for your time Guys
any help would be appreciated.

N/A  Tinker time, cheap tools, and lead

I am 1 of those guy who loves to tinker. Last week I cut 1 coil off the spring in prep for this project. Today, we find out if I can make a spring guide from delrin worth having on a wood lathe...yes is the aanswer.i sold my wood lathe years ago, but still have access to 1. I bought a cheap parting tool off amazon.
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it arrived dull, with a light aluminum handle. Sharpened up ok. Unscrewed the handle, and filled with spent lead from my pellet trap...now it actually feels like something worth trying to work with. Cuts surprisingly well, internet claims the 65mn steel is basically Chinese 1095...maybe?
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makes quite a mess, but delrin is easy to cut ....really helps fill out your beard though
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the base on mine is about double the thickness of the original. Adding back in some spring tension, while still allowing enough room to engage the sear.
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rifle is back together. I have only shot it once as proof of function. Definitely has a different feel to it. Cocking cycle is quieter because of how the sear engages. Before you would bottom out the stroke, hear the sear click into place, then feel/hear the piston move forward a bit before staying locked in place. Now that forward motion is gone. We shall see if this is a good idea or not tomorrow. Should be able to chronograph, and hit a few targets to see where things are at.

Which Karma dealer would you choose for best service before and after sales?

I'm considering a new pcp.
The Karma Red Panda.
I received an email from Karma that the Red Panda will be available in the very near future from these USA dealers.
Which one do you think will give the best before and after customer service? I'm in California, so sales taxes and shipping is also a consideration.

Thanks in advance
Rod in San Francisco

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Traditional Rifle  NLA Cometa Fusion Premier Star .22 trade added

Would trade for nice SFP scope in the 6x24, 5x25, 4x16 range..

Ive owned gun for 8 yrs and has been shot very little, a couple yrs ago I put a milder Crosman spring in it recommended by a forum member on another forum but for the life of me cant remember what Crosman springer it was for. I know it was one of their well known springers, it was shooting a harsh 18ftlb and now a very smooth 14ftlb.. has less then 200 pellets thru it since spring change.. Heres the numbers for the Crosman spring taken today. As you can see very good numbers. Back when it was shooting 18ftlbs it liked 18.1gr JSB now it seems to like the H/N FTT but its not even broken in fully yet. Stock bolts replaced with stainless hex head bolts.
245.00 sh lower 48 scope base included but no scope.
H/N FTT pellets

hi-690
lo-685
ex-9
sd-2

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PCP Rifle  SOLD Airguns Revisions HFT Challenger

Excellent condition, like new other than pressure marks on the scope rail. ~20 fpe version. Great way to dip your toes into the Field Target pool. Description & specs can be found here:

://www.airgunrevisions.com/product/ar-hft-challenger

Original box & paperwork included.

$600 shipped CONUS. PP F&F or USPS money order. Not interested in trades.

Will be happy to discuss and/or answer any questions you have.

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Whats the longest shot youve ever taken and with which airgun

What's the furthest shot you ever hit on target. Could be a target or a animal. I only use sub 12ftlb air rifles so don't see the true power and potential of these air rifles and air guns. Maybe the uk guys using FAC air rifles and USA guys using your unlimited power & anyone else can tell me what the longest shots you've ever taken and your favourite rifles to use. Springer or pcp or co2.
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Traditional Rifle  NLA Turkish Tomahawk .22

Bought 2 of these back in 2016 or 17 and got really nice wood on both, gave John in Pa the nicest one to tune this one. Not sure what all he did but it cocks super smooth, know he polished loading port and what ever he did with spring etc. Scope/rings not included. This gun is very accurate with 18.1 gr JSBs, nickel size groups at 32-40 yds. Ive head shot a bunch of squirrels with it out to 40 yds. Has a very nice walnut stock one of the nicer ones.. 325.00 sh lower 48

Heres chrony numbers for 10 shots today. HN FTT pellets 14.3 gr.

Hi- 771
lo- 752
ex- 19
sd- 5

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Joe Shneehagen accident

Read about this tragic event here:


There's also a fund drive here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-joe-schneehagen-with-his-recovery

Terrible news, and worrying too. Anyone here know what happened? How/why the air tank failed, etc?

Thanks

Kim
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Pellets and slugs from the same gun and barrel at 100

With the crazy wind here in spring...I spend mornings until maybe 11 testing what I need to test outside.

This is the latest pellet/slug Thomas shooting 75 pellets on the top group and 100 slugs on the bottom group....no changes except scope clicks. Monsters at around 980 and my new .218 slugs at 850.

I could shoot the slugs all day long as they are just so predictable and great in the wind.

100 yards

This extends the versatility of this gun tremendously.

Mike

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Modifying West Hinter hight adjustable rings to MOA rings

As you may allready know, if you raise a ring you change the scope angle in relation to the rings. That concentrates the stress of the scope clamps to the edges rather than an even distribution of the pressure over the inside of the ring.
I originally bought these West Hunter adjustable rings thinking they would work for MOA but they have presision locking grooves, that prevent the needed angle change.

Now that I allready own them it's time modify or replace them.
They will need to be solid as they are going on a springer.

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HW/Weihrauch  Ring modification

My HW97, with an opticaly centered scope, shoots low. (See 5 shot group at 30 yards)
I have since zeroed my scope to it's max adjustment achieving a 75 yard zero.

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I have a set of West Hunter rings that are height adjustable, but the ring angle is fixed, so that they don't follow the scope angle when one ring is raised. The result concentrates the clamp forces to edge of the rings. That could damage a scope and void its warranty. Reading the warranty with my scope, an Element Helix, it says that damage from scope shims will void the warranty. So I've got to do this right.

So, I have begun modifying these West Hunter, rings to be height, and MOA adjustable.

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I filed the grooves in the center ring, and trial fit it with good results so far. The remaining grooves in the base grab well.
I will also drill and tap a scope stop screw, which will be adjustable for height then do some testing.
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PCP Rifle  SOLD .25 cal Brocock Bantam Sniper HR w/accessories (Big Price Drop)

Reduced Price many accessories included

Brocock Bantam Sniper HR (Huma Regulator) in .25 caliber, synthetic stock w/ these accessories...

1- KOI Donny FL Moderator
1- 3-10x Accushot rifle scope w/Range Adjust Ez wheel
2- 10 shot .25cal magazines
1- single shot .25cal tray
1- kit of maintenance parts, inlet assembly kit w/ removal tool and reseal kit
1- UTG Bipod Kit

Rifle in overall VG condition, see images of New England Air Gun consignment review form and test target.

Asking $850.00 plus shipping for rifle and listed accessories, PayPal or certified check only.
Will provide estimates on shipping if interested parties provide zip code.
Will meet buyers within 100 miles of Concord, NH

Thanks for looking.

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