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Slugs or Pellets of same weight Diffrences?

For targets at distance of 100yd and over would a slug of the same weight be any better or worse at accuracy? From what i understand slugs are better at long range but why is it simply because they are heavier and the wind doesnt push them around as much or is there ballistic properties of a slug make it more efficent flying through the air?

Trying to understand if there is an advantage of shooting a slug that weigs the same as my pellets at 100yd +shooting. In consistently hitting salad spoons with JSB 18g pellets so wanting to push it out further..

In using a cricket 2. .22 with a 450mm barel.

It will do 895fps with a 23g slug do I need more or should I snug it down a tad or should I switch to something smaller should I try a 17g NSA slug as well.

Comments amd suggestions please.

HW35E Accuracy change from excellent to terrible.

Hello, I am new to the forum. I live in Northwestern Metro Atlanta, getting into field target and hunting. I plan to go to Pyramid Air competition for the first time this year. I collect springers and vintage air guns. I have a HW35E 177 cal with a vortex spring. Last year I shot nearly one hole 3 shot groups at 15 yards. Now geting 1" - 1.5" groups with mixtures of clusters and vertical stringing with 5 kinds of pellets like JSB 10.34, H&N Field Trophy (4.50,4.51 and 4.52) and RWS match. None any good and hard to tell which one is best. Before this trouble, I did a dumb thing and overtightened the barrel pivot screw as tight as I good get it with a big screwdriver. I talked to Airguns of Arizona technician. They said the barrel pivolt screw should be just over tight like no more than 15 lbs torque or less. He was not sure on the manufacturer spec for that. I loosened it to 15lbs and then when down to 8 lbs. Some improvement on vertical stringing but groups still over 1 inch. Air guns of Arizona said my breach seal maybe bad but it looks Ok to me. Gun has about 250 round thru it so far. Tried 2 different scopes and same result. However it shoots good groups with iron sights. Have not dropped it, nor mishandled it and was always stored in case in a dehumidified room. I tried different artillery holds with no good results. Then shot my FWB 124D and RWS 350 and got excellent accuracy so do not think it is my shooting method. As stated, I shot it good last year. Another thing is when the problem started after the overtightening, I had to shim the scope as it shot like 3-4 inches low at 15 yard. Before it was zeroed at that range. I already have a UTG mount to correct barrel droop (10.1" I believe) from last year but still needed shims. Ready to send into Airguns of Arizona for repair. Thought I would post here first if any ideas to try. Also since airgun is out of warranty, if somebody knows a good reasonable place to send it instead of Airguns of Arizona.

Hatsan Factor Sniper L

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Just saw this on a turkish airgunforum, my god that is a long rifle.

This model hasn't been out yet on the turkish market, i think it will come soon though.

@Asbestos



here you can see the owner of Hatsan doing chrony results. the gun is in 6.35mm


First 5 shots were using Hatsan Slugs 45 grains



Second 5 shots were using 34 grains JSB pellets.

PCP Rifle  SOLD FX Crown MKII .25 Synthetic 500mm

FX Crown MKII .25 caliber Synthetic stock, 500mm barrel, with FX Donny FL moderator, in FX case. Gun is completely stock except the power wheel was changed to the newer version, and is in excellent condition. No muzzle thread protector was received with it as it was purchased with the moderator. Shoots very well with the H&N Barracuda Hunter 27.47gr pellets. Scope and rings are not included. Asking $1185 shipped/insured to the lower 48 states. Payment by Paypal, no fee to me, MO, or check. Feel free to check my feedback.

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PCP Rifle  NLA KalibrGun Cricket Tac II 25 cal 60 TRADE

It comes with 4 magazines and two fill probes in the original box. I bought it from Charlie at Georgia Airguns. It's really like new. Scope and rings not included. If you are interested I will send more pictures.
$1200 shipped or a trade . Charlie has tuned it and it shoots FX 34 grains great. I've never opened this rifle, I've only turned the hammer spring adjuster on the back. It's currently shooting FX Hybrids 980 FPS. It has sat in a case in my safe for over a year and lost no air. It's a great shooter, just too big for what I need. I had intentions of doing bench rest, but life got in the way and that never came to fruition. Now I just need something smaller I can shoot in my yard.

PP F&F or Money Order.


Trades interested in. 22 or 25 preferred
  • FX Maverick Compact
  • Wildcat MKIII BT
  • Something compact


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Calculating efficiency???

Alright airgun geeks, I need your help with something. What is the equation to figure out how efficient an airgun is?

I've been using this equation but I believe it only gives me how much energy is produced per CC.

Reservoir: 300cc
Total air used: 250b starting pressure – 150b ending pressure = 100b
Total air used x total reservoir: 100b x 300cc = 30,000

Projectile: 25.4g @ 960fps for 47 shots
Ave energy per shot: 52fpe (70.5 joules)
Total energy: 70.5j x 47 shots = 3313j

Total air used x total reservoir / Total energy = Energy per CC
30,000 / 3313 = 9 joules per CC


Take for example another airgun with a larger reservoir, a smaller usable air range, lower shot count, and lower FPE. This results in more energy per CC.

Reservoir: 480cc
Total air used: 250b starting pressure – 180b ending pressure = 70b
Total air used x total reservoir: 70b x 480cc = 33,600

Projectile: 25.4g @ 940fps for 40 shots
Ave energy per shot: 48fpe (65 joules)
Total energy: 65j x 40 shots = 2600j

Total air used x total reservoir / Total energy = Energy per CC
33600 / 2600 = 12.9j per CC


But in my mind the 2nd airgun is less efficient because I'm getting less energy, less shots, less FPE, out of a larger air reservoir.

There must be a different equation to figure out "efficiency".
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Walking it out

Yesterday i got to wondering how many miles i walked out to the 100y rack.

I shot 5 cards 20 shots each, every 5 shots i walk down and back checking my hits ( i got optics ) ,. So thats 800 yards per card x 5 4000y ÷ 1760 comes to 2.272 miles. No wonder i was glad to pull my boots off that evening..lol ( check my math it hurts to do it ,i needs Excedrin )

Now will it knock off some this beer and pok rib gut ?

Iguana Downrange!!! (Taco Thursday!)

This BIG egg filled lizard destroyed my 15x15 screened in gazebo tent sunning itself as I watched (them darn razorblade claws just shred stuff!) and then made it's way down to my shooting range.

That wasn't a particularly good choice! Normally I can't safely take these in the neighborhood, but, when it's literally on my range... That's a different story!

The Leshiy 2 .30 made this critter do the random-floppy-dance, and allowed me to subsequently turn this critter into lunch, and a nice skin.

For the tacos:
Just put the good meat (legs, tail, whatever you can get off that's worth cooking up, the 'bacon' can be really pretty good on these too) into a zip-lock with some bay leaves, a garlic clove, some chili powder, cumin, salt and pepper, some olive oil and butter, then keep it in some not-quite-boiling hot water until the meat is falling off the bone tender.
Take the meat off, chop up the taters, and then fry up that goodness in some light oil in a non-stick pan on medium/medium-high until lighly browned and crispy - serve with pico de gallo and/or whatever else you like on tacos. Good stuff!

For the skin:
Carefully pull the hide off the body with your hands, before gutting the lizard (cut along the spine, so you keep the belly as one peice, and it's WAY eaiser) - invert legs, to expose interior, if keeping legs as tubes, then clean all the remaining flesh off, as best you can, and soak in 50% glycerin and 50% alcohol for around 2-3 weeks, then scrape lightly to remove loose material on scales, and pick off remaining meat from skin, and flex to soften. Dry with paper towels.


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FX Impact M3 Second reg hiss

Hi all, new to this new to this air gun thing but have a blast, just installed a slug kit in an FX impact, M3, all went well or so I thought but when I screwed the bottle back on the second reg was hissing out air, screwing the centre one back in stops the leak but as soon as you back it out it hisses again. As I didn’t go near it have I done something else wrong? Or blown an O ring or something?

Son-in-law buys his first FX

I come home from work yesterday to a very excited young man (who's very new to air rifles) holding his new to him (bought it used) FX wildcat mk3 vp in 25. I look it over and see the previous owner took good care of it.. no marks/scratches.. looks as if the previous owner never shot it.. this is his 2nd PCP...his first one is a kral emperor xs 22 cal..this first FX which he's been talking about wanting one for a good bit.. I asked what he thought... He says it shoots great without the moderator which it came with a Donny sumo 22/25.... He said it was clipping and didn't shot good with it on. (remember he's very new to this hobby).. I personally have never had a problem with a Donny clipping and found it hard to believe. I look the sumo over and see no signs of clipping.. picked up the wildcat and was looking it over and noticed the shroud was loose... By a good bit... Once it was tightened up snug and the sumo put back on.. it shot.. but not all that impressive.. I'm talking nickel to quarter size groups at 30 yards.. (I wonder if this isn't the reason the first owner sold it) ok let's clean the barrel and break out the chrony... Those groups are unacceptable! Cleaning done, few rounds down the pipe and no improvement.. chrony time. After about five shots tuning began. The numbers were all over the place. After setting the regulators (thanks guys for posting YT videos on tuning the duel regs as I'm unfamiliar with setting duel regs... sorry FX guys I'm a RTI guy 😊) some hammer spring adjustment and we had a very nice shot string. Now it prints groups that can easily be covered by a dime at 50 yards.. now I have a very excited son-n-law who loves his very first FX... After it was set up He must have set outside in the cold over 2 hours just shooting... when he came inside he was wound for sound...his excitement was off the charts! It was great...!!

Weihrauch - yesterday’s prices

I’ve been noticing some hefty price increases from Weihrauch. Been watching Krale as they get restocked. Everything coming back in has substantial price increases. Take for example the HW85. Weihrauch doesn’t list the traditional stock version of this anymore, just the Luxus model. Don’t know why they stock this longer barrel version of the HW95 with a stock better suited for a scope. Krale has the older traditional and the Luxus model. The older stock traditional model is $400. the Luxus $520. They have the HW98 in 22 caliber (old stock) at $575 and the 177 (newly back in) $625. Most have already gone up but there are still some at yesterday’s prices. Maybe some other retailers have some “bargains“ out there also. Good time to buy if you find a deal.

PCP Pistol  SOLD $250 AEA Defender Arrow&Pellet. Lots of accessories.

Two AEA Defenders. New in box. LOTS of extras included. (See pics). Pellet Barrels, extra arrows, extra firing pins, extra burst discs. More pics or questions please ask. $300 for 1 or $500 for both. Fair offers considered. Retail with all the extra was over $800. Have a great day! (And a good deal haha)

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Just received an Altaros booster

Other HPA sources I've used were a Shoebox F10 (x4 or 5 years) and a Yong Heng (x7 months). Sold the F10 as a parts donor when I got frustrated trying to source replacement parts and the Yong Heng is still ticking just fine, with the caveat that the oil gets REALLY dark REALLY quick (impending doom?). So coming from that background......

I've been debating the acquisition of a bit more reliable compressor for a couple months. Slowly narrowed down the potentials until I arrived at the Altaros booster pump. And was only pushed that direction because a really good deal on a 20gallon California Air Tools (CAT) compressor popped up on local classifieds. The lady had bought it new and used it for one job, to run a paint sprayer to redo her kitchen cabinets. So, it appears to be very lightly used.

I ordered the Altaros last Monday night and it was delivered this Tuesday, so 8 days total, I ordered the non hybrid, non bottle-to-bottle version. Sheet metal box, it doesn't look like they offer the option of the plastic toolbox like they did in the past. It arrived very well packaged, having some memory foam inside the ends of the packaging. I was previously unaware but they supplied at least a partial rebuild kit with just the purchase of the compressor. I also ordered two complete reseal kits and they were present as well. A nice little bound manual was also included.

The only assembly required was to thread the male fitting for the air supply into the side of the box.

Since I wanted the booster to have a permanent home I needed to rearrange my gun room a bit. That entailed extending a shelf and moving my bottles. I like the idea of having the bottles higher than the booster but the logistics of putting heavy bottles up a wall haven't yet been addressed, so bottle are on the ground for now. I drilled a hole through the shelf right under the bleed valve to make life a bit easier. (the shelf was made from wood I scavenged during the house remodel, just wanted to point out that I'm not responsible for the atrocious stain job)
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The low pressure side of my set up has 3 bleed valves: bottom of the first stage compressor, output of the first stage compressor, and the one that came with the Altaros, right where the shop air enters the booster. 25 feet of low pressure line that goes up and around other junk in the gun room, basically from one corner to the other of the room. Altaros is about 5 feet off the ground, compressor is at ground level. On the first run last night (83 minutes) I got moisture from all three bleed valves, in descending qtys (largest amount came out from the blow out at the bottom of the first stage compressor tank). The first inch or so of the silica beads within the booster changed color slightly (orange = no moisture and dark green equals saturated, per manual). No moisture was found in the fittings on the high pressure side after all was said and done. Per NWS, the relative humidity during the fill averaged 40%, but that is of course outside. The booster lives inside a well-insulated room within my garage, so likely much lower humidity.
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In that 83minutes, my big 60min Drager tank went from 3900-4500psi. That works out to an increase of about 72psi/10 minutes. For reference, the F10 would increase the pressure in this same tank by 100psi every 10minutes and the Yong Heng does the same 3900-4500 run in about 15 minutes (400psi/10minutes). So, Altaros is slowest of the three options I've used.

For about the first half of that 83 minutes I was playing with the CAT's regulator pressure and the Altaros flow adjustment to arrive at the desired run/rest ratio. It started out with a 2 min run time and a 4 minute rest (40/80). Bumped the CAT's output pressure from 90psi to 110 at that point and then fiddled with the flow restrictor to eventually get 4 min run, 4 minute rest for a very conservative 50/50. It appeared to fill faster after adjustment and I think I'll have something like 80-90psi/ten minutes now that I'm at the 50/50 run/rest times. Altaros recommends 60/40 but even at 50/50 I felt like the heads on the compressor were getting a bit warm. I'll take longer fill times if it increases the longevity of the CAT. I think 90-100psi/10 minutes would be pretty feasible if I was to push the first stage to 60/40 or even 70/30, which CAT lists as the duty cycle for this specific compressor.

I babysat the system the whole time last night, but now that I've got things set up I would feel comfortable not being right there with it. I loved that about the F10 and feel it is one of the biggest pros for the booster concept. Turn it on and go about my life, no need to hang out with eye protection and ear muffs, hoping you get out of the experience unmaimed (yes, that's how I feel about the Yong Heng). The Yonger hasn't given me any reason to fear it, but that 15minutes of fill time with the Yonger is high stress; loud, obnoxious, trying to contain it (mine's a migrater), monitoring temps (water and head temp on digital read out) requiring bleeds every couple minutes and constant monitoring to prevent overfills.

As for the first stage compressor....the F10 was happy with a 6gallon 2.6cfm @90psi pancake compressor, resting 6-8 minutes for every 2 or 3 minutes that it ran. BUT I wouldn't dare try that small of a compressor with the Altaros. This 20 gallon CAT is rated for 5.3cfm @ 90psi and I don't think I'd recommend going with anything less. Just like many before me have said, the bigger the shop compressor the better, when it comes to the Altaros.

I took a page out of @Roachcreek s book and directed a box fan at the CAT's heads because I wasn't comfortable with their heat. I don't think I'll be tethering 3 CATs though.

The only change I'm considering making is to add another container of dessicant on the low pressure side, right before it enters the booster.

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