I’ve wondered for a while why all the hammerless guns are semi/full auto. If you could run a traditional biathlon setup and magazine you would have a smoother cocking, and no ping. I also thing this would be much quieter then the semi auto setup and more efficient. Just a thought, hammerless setup with side shot style mag in a bullpup.

SOLD

Less than twenty pellets through it as I bought it for my Grandson and it turned out that he likes shooting my Red Wolf more , soooo like new. $140 by PayPal to [email protected] with free shipping. Accushot 4-16 scope included.

Just had this thought - I'm pretty open to buying used parts from the forum here and even on eBay if I'm feeling comfortable with the item for sale.

But there are just some things I would never buy used - the primary one which comes to mind is a PCP Compressor. There's just no way to know how long how many hours on them, how hard they've been pushed, if they've been properly bleed to get water out, if the insides are all gunked up, etc. Unless someone is willing to accept bottom dollar for a used compressor I would never take the risk.

A for example (and please note I am not saying this member abused the compressor in any way, but how would you know) is the Omega Trailcharger for sale for $800 at 6 months old. No mention of how many hours, no mention if it was used to fill guns or larger bottles. I wouldn't pay more than $400-450 for that compressor and I feel others share that opinion as it's been renewed two times.

Other things like airguns, scopes, ammo, accessories I am okay with after doing my due diligence.

What items would you not buy used?

Here's the story. Bought a refurb from PA 6 months ago. As usual, life got in the way and I didn't shoot it till recently. I did have a hammer rotation problem, now fixed, but now another problem.

At 10 yards, it shoots 6 inches to the right. That would be about 5 feet to the right at 100 yards and no, my scope can't quite handle that.

I've used two different sets of rings, two different scopes, Crosman and JSB pellets, removed the shroud completely and yes it still shoots to the right. Tonight, removed the barrel and reset everything making sure all the Allen screws were properly aligned and properly screwed into the little dimples in the barrel. Still, shoots about 6 inches to the right.

Any thoughts on what I should check next? It groups beautifully with the JSB's (8 of 10 pellets on top of each other), but I'm really stumped. Air Venturi seemed to think the shroud was causing the problem, but even without the shroud it still shoots to the right. Oh, and I rolled the barrel on a flat table tonight and it rolled very nicely. Seems to be a very straight barrel.

I am really stumped on this one. Does anyone have any ideas on what to try next? Really appreciate any suggestions, I'm fresh out.

REALLY CLEAN BRONZE 22 CAL IMPACT 500MM COMPACT TRS RAIL M-3 COCKING BLOCK KIT ALONG WITH SHORT THROW LEVER M3 POWER WHEEL CARBON SLEEVE NOT GLUED IN, TATSU SILENCER 3 MAGS SELLING FOR A BUDDY THIS WAS ORIGANALY MY GUN BOUGHT IT NEW JUST MY BUD HAS ZERO TIME TO WORRY ABOUT THE STUFF, I WILL HAVE POSESION OF THE GUN MONDAY GUNS NEVER BEEN SLUGGED NOR REG OVER 100 BAR, MINT CONDITION 1450 SHIPPED I POSTED THIS GUN A WHILE BACK SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH MY POSTS YOU WILL SEE THE GUN POST PICTURES MONDAY

SOLD to TOM

This gun:
Retails for $1650+. Only shot for the video (about 100 shots).

If your not 100% happy with this gun, I will refund all your $ plus pay to have it shipped back to me. Full warranty from Talon Tunes.

This is a New gun at a Used price . The best deal this weekend by far.

Asking $1250 + $40 shipping. Paypal Goods and Services OK. You can PM me here, email me at [email protected] or call or text me at 360-844-0962. Thanks! -Nate

Pics from today:

Would like to sell my LCS SK-19 in 25 cal for $1400 plus 1/2 shipping, east of the Mississippi and $20 more West of the Mississippi. Or as a package deal for $1600 shipped. Package consists of, the LCS SK-19.25 cal, BSA 6-24×44 scope s/f , mounts and 3 full tins of JSB 25.4gr 350 ct. If you ever wished you had a Semi-auto for that quick follow up shot, now is your chance to own a Quality Semi-auto and if want Full-auto just move the lever. It is also regulated, so plenty of shots depending upon what you have the power wheel set at, will depend on the shots and ft/lb energy. The power on this LCS SK-19 is adjustable from 12 ft/lb to 60 ft/lb . Buy with confidence as I have about 10 pages of all Positives on the old Yellow BOI and only a few here. Please communicate by texting me and for pics at 920-427-9608, or email me at [email protected] Thanks Richard.

Recently I made a visit to the American Air Arms facility to visit Tom and to deliver my EVOL that I have decided to donate to this years EBR raffle. I put together this video where Tom shows how to adjust the trigger and offers some tuning advice for those wanting to make adjustments. He has been really busy but I was happy he had some time to help with putting this together. After EBR we plan to produce some more videos that discuss his products, and some more advanced videos that will apply to many brands of Airguns as I feel he has lots to share. BTW the wood stock Paradigm is one of the most beautiful rifles I've ever seen.

After terrible vertical stringing with my R9 I put a Hawke red dot on it.

Made a night and day difference over all attempts with a scope or the factory sights


Interesting thing I noted is when I had the red dot zeroed it exactly eclipsed the globe of the front post sight insert. It's rated as parallax-free from 30 feet to infinity. Aligning the red dot in the rear notch was so easy it was intuative. Group sizes tightened up by 50% compared with front post only. Very pleased with this at 10 meters. Red dot did not move on the gun after almost 100 shots, maybe its light weight results in less impulse to move it on the dovetail? Longer ranges next... Regards

How does it compare to FX? I guess the most comparable comparison would be the Maverick vs. Krait X…accuracy, build quality, barrel length, trigger, power?

Selling a brand new Ernest Rowe FX Maverick Tensioner / 700mm .30cal

$80 shipped to continental US

I ordered this but don’t need it now. Brand new. I only opened the packaging to examine and take a pic.

This topic was formerly titled: "Reviewing an Airgun That Doesn’t Officially Exist: A Peculiar Endeavor"

Posts #1-30 were made prior to 10/13/22. Lots of photos and more identifying information from post #31 and on.




I was recently asked to do an analysis of a new airgun, with one big kicker: I can’t start the public review series prior to the official product launch. With this being the flagship gun of a new name in airgun manufacturing......my response? (after about a half-a-second delay) “heck yeah! but that’s going to be tough.” Still on the phone, my brain was going 90 miles an hour as I think through the logistics of how to make this work. With my reviews in the past, I’ve been transparent, sharing any and everything I have learned; performance, shot strings, accuracy, in-depth photos of the inner workings of the gun etc. And I’ve always done that in nearly real-time, sometimes even on a daily basis. I consider that my standard operating procedure when I get a gun. So my first thought (and how I responded) was that I’ll just do what I do, and save files for all the write-ups, and then release them after the product launch. A day or two goes by and I get a call saying they’ve discussed it, and that I can start the review series, releasing information publicly, as it’s compiled, BUT that I can’t share anything that would identify the gun, again, prior to the official release. They told me to essentially consider this thing a ghost when it comes to identifying details or photos. Still going to be tricky, but might be kinda fun. Almost a reverse review, share all the details, and maybe even some sneak peak, non-identifying photos, and then announce the name of the gun and manufacturer at a later date. Should be interesting. One thought here, some people hate suspense, my wife being one of them. She’ll vote to turn off a movie or stop reading a book as soon as there’s some intrigue. If you’re that type, check back in a few weeks and start at the most recent post and work your way backwards, lol. If you don’t mind some anticipation and have some patience that the big reveal will eventually happen, this review is for you.

And of course, all of this is the airgun industry creating some excitement for a new product. Sometimes that excitement is falsely inflated, but in the case of this particular gun, I think many shooters will be as excited for it as the manufacturer hopes they are. I say that because I’ve read more than one random comment from airgun shooters, wondering aloud why this particular gun isn’t made. Well, now it is, and eventually it’ll be made public and available for purchase. And I also say that I think the excitement will match the hype because I’m personally pretty excited about the gun. And not just because I get to spend some time shooting it, but also because of what it represents. There’s some cool stuff going on with the design, and the premise behind why it was designed the way it was. From what I'm hearing, there are massive plans for aftermarket customization, ALL kinds of goodies available to turn this gun into exactly what the shooter wants. And yes, those goodies represent sales, but they also allow the gun to be configured for very specific uses and moldable for distinct preferences on the shooter side of the equation. So it's been fun to go over the design in this first week and see something and realize, "oh, I see why they did that right there, so that the owner can swap this part out for x to make it be better for NRL or benchrest or field target or come back to or just leave the oem part to be better for hunting or general use " and so on and so forth.

First off, let’s start out with what I’ve so far learned/know about the gun, and what I can share...
(in no particular order)

General (all configurations)...

• Chassis gun, no wood or laminate
• Modular nature
• “Bullpup” layout
• Biathlon cocking lever, located right above the trigger (no rear-cocking bullpup here)
• Bottle gun- and actually a valved bottle, so it can be unscrewed slightly to segregate air supply for regulator adjustments, without dumping the whole bottle (air within the plenum/innards needs to be shot out after unscrewing bottle and prior to lowering reg pressure)
• Regulated, and externally adjustable, as described above
• 250 bar max fill
• Lothar Walther barrels
• Barrel kits will be available (caliber swaps, different lengths, etc)
• All calibers have the same valve, so going from a .177 to a .25, for example, is possible
• Trigger linkages and sears are in a unique cassette-like format
• Being a bullpup, obviously has linkages, but multiple adjustments at the trigger (first stage tension, etc)
• Main sears at rear of gun drop out like a cassette, parts are finely machined, no obviously stamped components, everything but the pins are hard-anodized
• There is a cover in the frame of the gun, above the trigger, that lets a guy see what they’re adjusting (when cover is removed)
• Shrouded barrels and shroud has 1/2x20 standard threads at muzzle end to allow for addition of moderator
• Dual manometers, one on each side of the gun, left side shows reg pressure, right side shows bottle pressure (I might have to throw a digital gauge on in place of the analog reg gauge, just for giggles!)
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• Male foster for filling the gun has a sintered filter down inside, to keep particulate from getting in the gun (nice addition)
• Adjustable cheek piece (first thing I adjusted on the gun)
• Adjustable butt-plate, for height (second thing I adjusted on the gun)
• Picatinny scope rail, and plenty long for various levels of eye relief/types of scope
• Side pic rails present as well
• Ventral pic rail also (bipod!!!)
• Comes with BEEFY hard case (think airline approved gun case, okay I don’t know if it really is, but it has that look)
• Comes with various allen keys, spare orings, fittings to get air in the tank
• Surprised to see that it has paperwork, so the manufacturer is far enough along in the new product release process that they have stuff printed
• MSRP is what most people will consider mid-tier, although I’ve been inside guns in the same price range that weren’t machined as well as this one appears to be nor did they give an as overall "solid" impression (the read between the lines there is that it SEEMS like it's going to be a lot of gun for the money, partly on it's own merit as a stand-alone gun, but also largely due to the planned aftermarket support/customization options)​

Specific to the gun I was sent...

• .177 and obviously a “compact” configuration
• OAL without a moderator = 26”
• OAL with a 4 and 5/8inch mod = 30 and 1/8 inches
• 300cc bottle
• 12 shot magazine, loading 10.34gr pellets I remarked at how deep the mag wells are
• Reg pressure came at 120bar
• I would guess it weighs around 6-7lbs without a scope
• OEM trigger pull-10 shot average was 1lb 4.5oz
  • I was able to adjust it down to a 10 shot average of 9.1oz, I suspect it’ll lighten up and lose another couple ounces with use

10 pull average of OEM...


10 pull average after some adjustment...


Here are some non-identifying snaps from the trigger mechanism...
Those two bolts come out and that cassette like configuration of sears drops out of the gun. Really unique, TIGHT machining on the various sub assemblies (like this one).

Photos of that sear cassette, from all sides....





While I've had it about a week, I’ve thus far only shot the gun for one fill, from 240-110bar. I didn’t change the reg pressure or even the hammer tension from how it arrived. It came at max hammer tension, determined via the hammer spring tension adjustment. In that one fill, I shot 5 magazines (60 shots). All were taken at paper at 50 yards. The first shot was on paper but needed some scope adjustments. I also swapped scopes after about 2 and a half magazines, determining that the first scope’s reticle was too thick for paper punching. So then I had to zero the second scope. I was also dealing with 15-20mph wind in my completely open back pasture. I’ve got nothing but empty fields on my east side, and of course the wind was coming from the east that day and there is nothing to break up the easterly winds. Really poor accuracy testing conditions but I wanted to shoot the gun bad enough that I went ahead with it. Initially had big plans to do accuracy assessment with about 15 different pellets and slugs, but wind came up just about the time I got everything set up. So, all 5 magazine were just shot with JSB 10.34grain pellets.

Here’s the first (and only) groups out of the gun…..



Nothing too impressive, until I got to that last group, the one that I’m pointing at. I’ll get to that in a minute though.

I was shooting over a chrono and was pleasantly surprised to see how consistent the gun is. First magazine had an ES of 9 and an average of 937fps, just a bit hot for sub 20fpe field target. The next 3 magazines all were above 925 and below 937, so, 48 shots with an ES of 12. Before the fifth magazine I was right under 120 bar so expected fps to come down. They did, like a rock. That last 12 shots was from 923 down to 895, and that’s the group that I’m pointing at. So, the barrel seems to like the 10.34s at probably 910-915 fps MUCH better than it did at 930fps. Pretty sure it's got too much hammer tension. I suspect that coming down on that hammer tension adjustment a couple clicks, maybe around the 15 mark, won't lose much fps but likely gain in shot count. I'll eventually drill down on all the settings and arrive at some reg pressures/hammer tensions/projectiles that are easily repeatable and fit a couple different uses, as well as providing the high level of accuracy that I'm after.

The current plan is to test what I consider light pellets (7.87-9.57grains).


I'll run a different test group of "heavy" pellets...


And finally, I'll see how it does with the slugs that I have on hand...

There's a bit of overlap in my planned projectile testing with different brandings coming from same manufacturer, but sometimes a different batch will shoot light and day different so it's worth it to try them out. It'll also serve as an indicator of whether or not this barrel is going to be cantankerous about specific batches, or if it's going to play nice and be tolerant of a wide range of projectiles/batches.

REALLY early in this whole process but so far really liking what I’m seeing. I’m very likely to address any of the aforementioned details in much greater depth as I spend time with it. And it sounds like they're giving me a pretty loose leash, both in regards to what I share about the gun, the direction(s) I take with it, and the length of time I have to do all that. BUT, we'll get there, the next step is to do simple accuracy assessments with a wide range of projectiles.

Unfortunately I won’t be able to play 20 questions about the gun. Ie, I can neither confirm nor deny any guesses, assumptions, declarations, etc that come about because of this review in the timeframe between now and the manufacturer’s official product launch. I will, however, answer (as best I can) any questions that don’t identify the gun (general performance, “how does it shoot X pellet?” etc).

Wildcat .25 first gen,

Bought this on a whim in July and it is really not for me. Do not have the time to shoot it. It does shoot great, though. You get the Rattler. padded soft case, 8 tins of JSB pellets, 5 boxes (100 count) of Nielsen 142 grains slugs and 5 bags (50 per bag?) of 175 grain Raptor Slugs (AOA brand). Total retail is about $3145.

I put a scope on it and shot a about 200 rounds through it. Excellent condition.

All yours for the low price of $2600. PM me or email [email protected]

Am I buying someone else's problem? Or it depends which airgun shop selling it...?

Can't help but makes me wonder when I see a newly released product available as "used" on an airgun website...that it may have been a customer return. Which may be a return because they had too many problems with it; or it was fixed by the shop but the shop already sent a replacement; or whatever was wrong with it was fixed, but there may be other issues with it. What is your primary concern when you decide to buy such a used "new" PCP? The "street reputation" of the shop vouching that the product is fully functioning and not a lemon? Or the manufacturer's factory warranty (assuming it's transferable)?

Bought new two years ago. Has about 2 hours total use. Will fill large tanks.

All original packaging. Local pickup preferred. (Michigan 49866)

Will consider delivery within 250 miles for round trip cost of gasoline.

Will ship to lower 48 but buyer must pay actual cost of shipping (won't be cheap).

$1,000 PayPal F&F or cash.

Free (buyer pays shipping cost) 88cu.ft. 4,500psi tank with purchase of compressor.

Seems like about 10+ years ago only a few major manufacturers ruled the PCP market, especially at the high-end. Since then it was nice to see some smaller unknown ones enter the market and make a name for themselves by quality or innovative design changes and proven performance in competition. They had smaller production numbers on the market but were able to gradually move up their prices comparable with the big boys' guns due to a growing devoted following base.

But in the last couple of years I see unknown and unproven "manufacturers" with a web-distributor presence only, with no actual manufacturer shop details disclosed, etc. putting products on the market that are near the same price as the high-end big boys products. What makes you want to buy a little known "company's" $1500-$2800 PCP that is priced only $200 below the big boys? Word of mouth reputation here on the airgun forums? Special personal insight?

-Cabela’s Multu-Turret Rimfire 3-9x40 .22LR, standard rifle reticle, came off an FX impact, light use, comes as seen- $70
(Please forgive the bugbuster also in the picture, it was previously attached to this thread as well but has since been sold)

All is price +ship but can be negotiated depending

Can contact me, [email protected] to discuss

Let me try this again and see if anything happens this time.

I am looking for something with a little more power than the Anschutz 8002 S2 that I have sitting in my safe. I thought the short range would be fun, but there really isn't anyone shooting them here in my area. So looking at moving it down the line and getting myself something else. The rifle has quite a few upgrades and additions to it. I received the rifle from the shooting coach down at the University of Mississippi. Gun has two cylinders and of course is a tack driver. The gun has been used of course and it does show some wear, but nothing extreme. The previous coach left the rifle set up for the previous shooter with all the lead weights installed to help balance the rifle.

Just looking what is out there and seeing if there is anyone that is looking at moving from the WFTF side of things to 10m.

Just a shot

So I had a bottle that I couldn’t do an o-ring swap on…I sent it to my friend to take it the valve off…he couldn’t. So he sent it to FX and even they couldn’t take the valve off. They sent him another bottle they had on hand so you can consider it brand new. $225 shipped…this was sent to my friends’ house (Brawler1588) so he will be shipping it and not me.

SOLD
WTS Crosman 1720T pistol with Optisan Mamba 3-12 scope setup for Pistol Field Target. Transfer port enlarged to up power to 11 foot lbs. Excellent condition, used only a few times for competition. I am no longer shooting that class, got old. $300 by PayPal to [email protected] with free shipping to Conus. Feel free to contact me for more info.

So with all the discussions about combining classes or adding classes, I realized I need to know more insights about the history of the current rules and classes. I read the book “Airgun Field Target Shooting” by Les Herridge and Ian Law, 1989. Granted PCP’s were discussed as the ‘future of airguns’, but there were no bipods, buckets or harnesses then. Nearly every shooter uses a sling, and looks like they are either prone, sitting, kneeling or standing, kinda like how I was taught to shoot as a kid with a chimpmunk 22. So how did that sport of FT turn into what it is today, rules and class wise? What was wrong with the way it was with a simplistic ruleset? Seems to me the FT I read about is much more of a challenge than any of the classes now. So when i mentioned a Purist class in another thread this is what i meant, going back to the original rules where it was more like actual hunting or 3 Position shooting. (Not the topic of this post, but wanted to mention it for clarity)

So for the FT shooters that have stood the tides of change, what really prompted the rules to become what they are? How did we go from a sling and a knee to bipods, harnesses, etc? I guess one could argue that equipment changed the sport and thus rules followed, but i would only agree to a point, harnesses and seats and sticks had to have more reason than the rifles are more accurate or the scopes are better. I also understand physical limitations, but that doesnt apply to all the rules and classes either. So whats the backstory on the FT rules? Im not complaining about any rules in FT, just trying to understand how they came about.

Are you looking/considering getting into PCP airguns? Here is one members opinion as I've had quite a few and shot them a lot since 2004. If you have deep pockets and want to jump all in with the top PCP brands/models fine, however if you are a bit more cautious, say you want top tier accuracy, performance, good trigger, nice looking, proven performer for years...easy to fill, AT A MORE REASONABLE PRICE POINT, read on. I did a test of all my PCPs I owned at the time (first 5 shots of the day with each) one after another...including Taipan Veteran .22, a Daystate Wolverine r .177, an FX Streamline. 22, a Theoben Rapid 12
20, an FX Bobcat Mk2 .25, and last but most notable, two Daystate Huntsman Regals one a regulated .20 and and a NONREGULATED .177. Although it was close the unregulated Huntsman won...a third hand Huntsman I got in a trade, BY FAR THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY IN IT, went toe to toe and held it's own against those other examples. This Huntsman has EARNED my admiration over three years and about 15 tins of pellets (shot it yesterday) with ZERO ISSUES! Performance and reliability not withstanding...consider lighter weight, nice looking wood stock, been around for years, EASY TO FILL with a hand pump (I love this) tunned to about 15fpe 90 shots are possible, getting almost one shot per pump with a Hill Mk4 from 200b to 100b. I like the older bolt actions but a Revere side action would be OK too...nonreg. Another plus they are available used more often available than not...not CHEAP but not 1500 to 2000 either, good used one are way under a grand. I never had an inaccurate or a problematic PCP...but I prefere the Huntamans AND at a slightly higher price point the Taipan Vetetan (a man among men IMHO) nice used ones available quite often also. If I was starting new to PCPs these two would my choices...both are just OUTSTANDING...at around 800. bucks a Huntsman is hard to beat by anything! Both my Huntsmans and Veteran were used. Pictured is my Huntsman & Hill mk4 after a shooting session yesterday...this setup COULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED HARDER the last 3 years, the pump requires cleaning and lubeing periodically way more trouble than the gun. This setup is the perfect intro PCP IMHO!