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Traditional Rifle  SOLD MAKE OFFER. RWS 34 Meistershutze PRO Compact w/ scope

RWS / Diana 34 Compact Professional Meisterechutze .177 T-06 trigger. The rifle is in excellent condition. Only trouble is it is difficult to cock for an old man even with the oversized cocking aid. Comes with the original RWS 3X9 AO scope. I bought it to use for piston field target.

Make offer. Need to raise $ for a pistol.

Asking $300 shipped or offer.


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Hunting Rifle Help/Guidance

Hello all, new here. Long time reader who finally joined.

I have been shooting my Remington Vantage 1200 in .177 with a Sightmark Wraith HD. I have found the JSB Match Diablo Exact in 8.44 grains to work the best in this specific rifle. Never had it on a chrono, but I recon it would be around 800FPS or so with this pellet. I thoroughly enjoy small game hunting with it, but it leaves me desiring more. My state (NJ) allows only .177-.22 (minimum speed of 600FPS) for hunting, with the largest predator we can target being a raccoon. While effectively harvesting easily 100+ squirrels and rabbits over my 15 years of ownership with this rifle, I can't effectively take raccoon with it. Have I? Yes, when the yardage and proper shot presented itself, but not with 100% confidence.

I have been eyeing moving up to an entry PCP rifle (Air Venturi Avenger in .22), but was not sure if that would be my best bang for buck for hunting. It wont be used much else besides hunting and the occasional sighting in/target plinking. New Jersey does not allow any types of suppression, so all of the factory options with internal suppression aren't allowed. Even a Gamo Whisper is technically a big "no" here.

Accuracy and down range effectiveness are my main concerns. I would say that most of my shots will be 30 yards and in based on where/how I hunt. So, what do you all say? I have been reading the forums for weeks now trying to decide between an entry PCP, a new break barrel, etc. Any and all advice is welcome on this topic for me with my intended species as well as the limitations set by my state.

Nick

Airforce  Different Valves give VERY different results.

I have been slowly making my way through turning an older .22 Talon SS into a FrankenTalon. I put a Huben Power Cricket Z valve and an Acecare Fat 1.1L bottle and with minimal tuning was throwing H&N Barracude Match at 850 FPS (also the original bottle and valve). So I next went down the path of a high flow valve and a Huben Power MAX-ATH with the 50cc plenum. The results were disappointing to say the least, 250FPS.

The sound of the hammer strike is muted so my assumption is that the valve isn't getting stuck hard enough. Is there an adjustment to the valve or hammer that I'm missing? Same issue with Chinese valves and Trajectron High Flow valve.

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2 quail @ 35 yard w/ Notos slow mo

Notos 13.43gn @ 820fps / 20fpe

Just picked up a used UTV and took it out for a spin in the desert with my better half and figured I'd throw the Notos in just in case. Perfect size for truck gun. No rabbits but found some quail...was a good day out in the desert hills. Coming from Wisconsin I've really grown to love the desert scenery.

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Umarex  Notos tank change

Will a umarex zelos tank fit on a notos? I have a zelos and doing a bottle conversion meanwhile my old man is getting a notos and it got me wondering since I'll have my zelos tank sitting around. Also is the notos moderator removable? I know my old man likes to tinker so he's gonna try doing a lot of things getting into PCP air guns.
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Umarex  Umarex Gauntlet 2 SL

Well finally took the plunge and pulled the trigger- got my first PCP rifle- the Umarex Gauntlet 2 SL .30 cal. , got it about 3 days ago, got it sighted in today- about all I can say is amazing- stacking the Zan 68 grain slugs in a grouping the size of a nickel at 25 and 30 yards- very impressed, it way exceeded my expectations, thats a pretty sizeable piece of lead going down range, so far love the rifle, will be shooting longer distances soon, the 68 grain slugs fit the magazines perfect, I got 3 extra mags. so I have 5 total, this thing is a pleasure to shoot, Its a little loud but I solved that, I also purchased the Donny Fl Yokozuna Moderator it makes a world of difference, the side levers on these guns are smooth as silk, really looking forward to more shooting, super pleased with this purchase.

BSA  BSA Ultta MMC. Outdated odd duck or just cool?

I have a soft spot for older BSA pcp guns. Have a few SuperTens, this MMC and a few others.

For those that don’t know the MMC has a two stage cocking with the probe and hammer being separate operations. The plunger under the tube sets the hammer and pellet probe is spring loaded with a side release button. If anyone comes across one of these be sure to use a thumb to control the probe and don’t let it fly back. They are known to snap off and I don’t think replacements are still available.

Rifle is .22 12ftlbs UK spec with a Huma shroud. Doesn’t get a ton of shots with the small tube, no gauge or regulator. Just a simple old school wood and metal rifle.

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PCP Pistol  WTS Artemis PP 700 SA Custom Build

Up for sale is a fantastic custom Artemis PP 700 SA



I have a .22 caliber Artemis PP 700 SA in .22 that I have customized.





Modifications:

  • Custom hand made a Peruvian walnut Burrell target grip.
  • Polished trigger internals
  • Carbon wrapped tank
  • Threaded moderator adapter
  • Currently setting is de-tuned to shoot slightly over 500fps for 10meter target shooting.
  • TACFUN 3-9x42 Long Eye Relief Scope
  • Custom 3D printed bottle grip with Picatinny rail for bipod.




What’s included:

  • Artemis pp700sa
  • Original stock grip
  • Custom walnut target grip
  • Scope
  • Scope rings
  • Threaded moderator adaptor




So creating the target grip was not an easy process so there are some imperfections in the grip.

Over all I was happy with the end result taking into account how hard it was to make. I cannot guarantee that it will fit your hands as I have small ish hands that is why I have included the original grip.

This gun is easily tunable and the hammer spring is backed most of the way out to get this lower FPS.

To tune, the gun back to high power all that is needed is to tighten up the hammer spring.



Selling for $400 with Free Shipping



PayPal only

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PCP Rifle  WTS Umarex Notos Bottle Build*** $600

Up for sale is a Fantastic Custom Umarex Notos .22 PCP Build!

Modicications:

.036 or 360cc Carbon bottle conversion

Dual gauge, regulator and bottle pressure block

Custom air block ported to 4mm

Polished Trigger, and trigger internals.

Carbon wrapped barrel shroud

Carbon wrapped butt stock receiver tube

Custom blacked out gauge covers.



What’s included:

Gun with listed modifications.

2 stock magazines.

1 maple products 15 shot magazine

updraded pressure gauges with glow in the dark faces. ***Not shown in picture**** picture shows old gauges.

Basic folding bipod.

Monstrum Hornet 4-16x50 FFP Rifle Scope. (MOA reticle)

Monstrum one piece scope rings with integrated bubble level.

(**This Notos is the updated version which includes a degassing screw. **)


Gun has been choreographed to shoot JSB Match Exact 14.3g pellets at around 820fps with a standard deviation of 3. 20.94fpe.

(results may vary slightly, depending on regulator settings and temperature)

$600 with Free shipping (USA only)

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N/A  Tuning unregulated PCPs for a longer flatter shot string

This post describes the main mod I am using to get longer flatter shot strings for unregulated PCPs.

I use a finely tuned, 3D printed (from TPU) buffer placed between the valve and hammer.
The buffer needs to be slightly larger than the inner diameter of the air tube so that it does not move.
The height of the buffer is essential, 0.1mm can change velocities by 30+ FPS.
The hammer spring is close to the max preload, this allows you to start at higher pressure.

I got to those tunes through trial and error, many of both.

I have tuned many unregulated PCPs using the same valve hammer buffer mod.

Since I target shoot I want at least 4 magazines worth in every shooting session at a low velocity spread (less than 5%).

I tuned both my Beeman Raider for 4+ maqazines worth of shots (48 in .177, 40 in .22) with a tight FPS spread.
These are their current tunes.

Beeman Raider .22
Pellet: CPHP 14.3 grains
Pressure: 4000PSI to 2600PSI
Velocity: 685-712 FPS
Shots: 40+ (4 mags + some extra)

Beeman Raider .177
Pellet: Norma domed 9.1 grains
Pressure: 3800/3900 PSI to 2500PSI
Velocity: 840-863 FPS
Shots: 50+ (4 mags + some extra)

I tuned my Hatsan AT44 too.

* Hatsan AT44 .22

Pellet: CPHP 14.3 grains
Pressure: 265 bar to 175 bar
Velocity: 800-833 FPS
Shots: 55 shots

These are some other tunes, but did not record details.:
-Diana Bandit .177, 4 magazines around 450 FPS with 7.5 grain pellets
The spread of this was around 35-40 FPS, so closer to 8%.
This one was the hardest one tune because of the very small air cylinder (40cc I think).
-Beeman 2027, 4+ magazines (48+ shots)
Velocity around 600 FPS, spread less than 5%.

CRP: Coons.

My friend Doug was in town rehabbing a house and the biddy next door complained that Doug was parking in the back yard. The police came and looked around just to appear they were ticketing. Soooo. At his home by a lake they were not allowed to shoot even an airgun at all the coons. Some no good was feeding them. Sooo. Doug live trapped them and brought them into town and released them at the rehab house right next to the old Biddy's garden. Doug called it his CRP Program. You may have guessed it, coon relocation program. He finally quit when at church a friend told him you couldn't have a garden in town anymore for all the coons. Those coons stripped every garden in the whole southwest quadrant of town! God Bless Doug. Be Well Brothers, 'dito.

The Mechanics of the Vertical Wind Effect

There is a lot of advice and information available on the internet regarding the way projectiles fly high or low when fired into a crosswind. Unfortunately, when it comes to pellets, most of the information is wrong. Here I hope to try to explain why pellets fly high or low in a crosswind and why bullet derived diagrams are not suitable for the majority of pellets.

When a pellet is fired from a gun with a crosswind blowing across the trajectory, there are two distinct effects. The main effect is the downwind drift, which was described in this thread:- https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/how-wind-causes-pellets-to-drift.1278969/

There is a second effect, usually called the vertical error or vertical effect. Contrary to popular myth, despite what you may read on the internet, it is not caused by Magnus. It is simply a result of gyroscopic stability. It will help to understand what causes vertical error if you have seen the previous thread on pellet gyroscopic stability:- https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/gyroscopic-stability.1277792/

When a pellet leaves the barrel of an air gun, it is pointing more or less in the same direction as the gun barrel. If there is no wind then the airflow, due to the pellets speed, is coming directly at the pellet. If there is a crosswind, the airflow direction is changed slightly so that now it is coming at a small angle to the pellet as shown in this figure. The airflow the pellet sees is in the direction of the green arrow.

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A stable pellet will always try to face into the direction of the airflow it sees, this is the definition of a stable pellet. It does not try to keep pointing in the direction it is facing when it left the barrel. Because, on leaving the barrel the pellet is not facing into the airflow, the air passing around the pellet will create a side force on the pellet.

The side force actually acts all over the pellet with many separate small forces, the size and direction of each force at each point depending on the shape of each part of the pellet. For convenience, we only consider the total side force and the point through which it has to act to reproduce the same effect as all the separate forces. The point through which the aerodynamic side force acts is known as the centre of pressure (CP), which on most pellets lies behind the centre of gravity (CG). When the CP is behind the CG, a pellet is said to be aerodynamically stable as the aerodynamic moment created by the aerodynamic side force is trying to turn the pellet to face the airflow.

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This is where most pellets differ from bullets and slugs, in that for bullets and slugs the CP is in front of the CG creating a destabilizing aerodynamic moment which moves the bullet/slug away from the direction of the airflow.

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The aerodynamic moments are important because objects which are spinning at high speeds will only change their orientation as a reaction to a moment, not a force. Side forces will move a spinning body sideways but, unless they are also producing a moment about the CG, forces will not change the orientation. The gyroscopic reaction to an aerodynamically unstable projectile is in the opposite direction to that of an aerodynamically stable one. This is what makes most pellets react differently to a bullet/slug in a crosswind, and is the reason charts for bullets cannot be used for pellets.

Combining two of the above diagrams shows how the crosswind produces a side force on the pellet which, because it acts through the CP, produces an aerodynamic moment about the CG.

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The gyroscopic reaction to the aerodynamic moment is to cause the pellet nose to rise in the case shown where the wind is blowing left to right from the nine o’clock position. Looking at the front of the pellet along the green line above, we see it as the airflow will see it.

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As mentioned previously, if we have a bullet or a slug the gyroscopic reaction will be in the opposite direction i.e. nose down, due to them having a destabilizing aerodynamic moment.

The nose up reaction of the pellet will produce a vertical force slightly changing the direction of the pellet, which is what produces the vertical error at the target. If the wind is coming from the right, i.e. three o'clock, the pellet will turn nose down and the force direction will be downwards.

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The vertical force in turn produces a stabilizing aerodynamic moment which causes a gyroscopic reaction on the pellet, turning it to face into the airflow, which will reduce the aerodynamic forces and moments allowing the pellet to face directly into the airflow.

Because the vertical force only acts on the pellet for a short time immediately after it leaves the gun barrel the deflection in the trajectory is linear i.e. it increases directly with range. The down wind drift however increases in a non-linear fashion, getting much greater as the range increases.

The vertical error is often expressed as a percentage of the down wind drift. This is a very simplified way of looking at it and is not correct, as the ratio between the vertical error and the down wind drift changes depending on the range. Below is a diagram showing how the ratio changes with range for a .22 pellet fired at 900ft/sec into a constant 5mph cross wind over the entire distance to the target.

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It is the shape of the curve that is of interest. The waviness of the curve is the result of heave and swerve (spiralling) giving small changes in the pellet position. At short ranges the ratio is very high but the actual drift height errors are very low so you are unlikely to notice it. The diagram below shows the values of the errors in inches for the pellet trajectory above.

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The short range ratio values are also heavily distorted by the effects of heave and swerve, and the modelling is least accurate near the gun as it is trying to predict the rate at which the pellet turns to face the airflow. It is only at longer ranges that the vertical error may become a problem, despite being a smaller value compared to the down wind drift. The main point of showing the ratio curve is to show that the ratio is not a constant value between the downwind drift and the vertical error over the entire range, as sometimes claimed.

The size of the vertical error and the ratio between the vertical and down wind errors from a crosswind will depend on your chosen rifle and pellet. Practising with your chosen rifle and pellet will show you if it is something you need to take into account at longer ranges. Some shooters notice it, others have never seen any change and deny it exists, but there is photographic evidence that pellets suffer from the effects the same as bullets. Long range target shooters seem to be the ones who mainly notice it, and who sometimes go to extreme lengths to try to reduce it to a minimum.

GX CS4-I ~ $700 vs GX-E-5K1 ~ $1000

Ok, these 2 compressors are $300 apart. i need a larger compressor, have the CS2.
been looking on Aliexpress for similar units. Lots on Tuxing units. But I would like one with built in water tank, don’t want do the external bucket thing.
my just get a CS4 or spring the extra for a 5K1 if I can’t find something similar.
has anyone found a CS4 or 5K1 similar compressor on Ali?

Airgun Technologies  Uragan vs Uragan king. Ergonomics.

I would appreciate you to share experience on Uragan king (1, 2 or 3) ergonomics.

I own a Uragan 1 in .22 Cal, so I know it is extremely comfortable to shoulder, but I am thinking on the possibility of buying a Uragan 3 king in the future and I do not know if the advantage of the double bottle compromise the ergonomics.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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Traditional Rifle  NLA WEIHRAUCH HW50K .177

Weihrauch HW50K .177 break barrel rifle.
Approximately a year old. Never been out of the house, inhouse winter gun.
Gun has one tiny blemish on stock near rear sling swivel was on there when purchased. Very minor, see photo. Otherwise, rifle is as it was when shipped from factory. Not even a full tin through it.
Includes Weihrauch 4x32 AO scope and mount, factory box and over box, manual.
$425+ shipping. I do not have PP or any of those payment methods. I have a perfect seller rating here and on accurateshooter.com with nearly $15K in items sold, all happy buyers.
Cash (in person obviously) USPS Money Order, drug store type money orders or personal check. Personal checks must clear first.
Description is 100% accurate and truthful.

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Traditional Rifle  NLA AIR ARMS TX200 .22

Air Arms TX200 .22. Approximately 16 months old. Bought new by me. Gun is in absolutely factory new condition. Never been outdoors. It is my basement gun. Accurate as expected of a TX200 using Crosman 14.3 pellets. Includes box, over box, manual. Also have Weihrauch 3-9x40 AO scope and Sports Match one piece mount.
$625 for rifle, $725 for rifle, scope and mount.
Buyer pays shipping.
I do not have PP or any of those payment methods. I have a perfect seller rating here and on accurateshooter.com with nearly $15K in items sold, all happy buyers.
Cash (in person obviously) USPS Money Order, drug store type money orders or personal check. Personal checks must clear first.
Description is 100% accurate and truthful.

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Traditional Rifle  NLA AIR ARMS TX200 MKIII .22 BEECH trade for pcp.

Would like to trade for .177 BSA R10 SE or MKII in excellent condition.
My gun has one small mark on barrel that was there when purchased from Straightshooters,otherwise in excellent shape. Has full power Vortek kit in it with maybe a full tin of pellets on it probably less, shoots right at 14.5-15ftlb.
Also comes with 12ftlb Vortek PG4 kit and factory spring etc, 12ftlb. kit has maybe half tin of pellets, gun is super accurate with this kit just preferred full power for squirrel hunting. Gun has less then 2 full tins thru it. There is glare on bluing from LED lights.

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Traditional Rifle  SOLD WALTHER PARRUS .177 (price now includes shipping CONUS)

Very nice Walther Parrus rifle in .177. Very powerful, (18,9 ft/lbs) using 10.65 gr. H&N Baracuda Match pellets at 895 fps. Overall condition is near excellent.
My personal opinion on both the Terrus and the Parrus is that the overall quality of the rifles is excellent. The barrel lock up is to me, one of the most satisfying of all of my break barrels. Just a gentle, positive "click". You can just feel the quality. The triggers on the "sporting guns" is where Walther falls short. They're decent triggers, but they don't stack up to other German makes.
$225.00 Shipped CONUS

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