Whatever you do don't leave you gun unattended when there are coyotes around. They get even!
If you want to make sure one shot one kill DRT
If you want to make sure one shot one kill DRT
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Coyote suggestions
- Thread starter Chukar60
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I’ve been using an airgun on them for about five years even in situations where I could use a firearm. It’s about noise. Noise at night where I live and where my camp is raises a poacher flag immediately. And it just plain old attracts attention to a person who’s legally doing something. I don’t like to be bothered or have to explain myself. Or have monkey see monkey do guys suddenly wanting to jump on board.
For me, because I spent half my life coyote free in the areas that now have them, I view them not one notch above a sewer rat. I don’t try or find anything glamorous about hunting them. I just want every one of them that I see with my eyeballs dead. Over the last 25 years or so I’ve begun to understand the eastern coyote. At my camp when they show up on a cell cam, I am loaded up and driving there within 24 hours. They seem to migrate through areas and I hunt these windows. I also see them while squirrel hunting on occasion. I have an airgun so it has to be capable. I did take out an average female with a .22 Hybrid 950fps shot to the boiler room. It was in a big white oak hollow. It ran, slowed, then flopped over. Unfortunately for it there was no nasty thicket close enough before the clock expired.
Final note different subject. Dry lube testing still going very well with that particular combo. Thanks again for redirecting my focus.
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Fx, Air Force (in .308), Skout, pretty sure the Urugan will hit that, even the AF texan will do 190fpe in .257, taipan is claiming 150fpe in .25 with the power kit. not sure about specs with the Huben K1 or the western rattler/sidewinder ext… it’s like all things with airguns you probably have to do some tuning/ tinkering to get them setup that way but it’s not really a short list. I don’t even know much about the unregulated guns besides Air Force but I’d bet there’s some AEA or Evanix that will put up a those numbers too.
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If you don't care if they run if you can't recover the corpse, then it doesn't matter what you use as long as you can poke hole through both lungs or the heart. If you don't have enough energy to do that then you have to go for brain shot and risk missing for their head doesn't stay still for very long. In an urban or suburban area usually not PC leaving a corpse where it's not supposed to be. Limiting any shots to drt, I.E brain shot. I vote for penetration over expansion to guarantee gets to the vitals and through the most amount of Bones Etc.
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@canton256 I expected Airforce .308 as a response. Technically .308 is not a .30 cal airgun projectile (I wouldn’t try shooting a .308 slug out of a .30 airgun unless .30 airgun slugs and .308 slugs measure/mic the same). An FX .30 doing 150+ FPE? I hadn’t heard of any models doing that. Huben doesn’t make a .30. I seriously doubt that a Westenr Rattler .30 is pushing 150 FPE. I’ve loosely looked inoton Evamos. Being familiar with a few of their .357 models, I am doubtful of an Evanix .30 doing those numbers unless you’re talking about an older model no longer produced. I’m not well versed in .30 cal airguns but Inown one and have done a fair amount t of reading when shopping around. After reading your response I must ask, Is this something that you know or were you making an assumption?
A .30 caliber producing that much power is not necessary for coyote hunting, unless one is intentionally hunting them from beyond 150 yards. If they exist and are not obscure custom builds, I’m interested in reading some solid information that you can share.
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Well said,shot placement is keyLol .30 cal isn’t enough for coyotes…. Have you shot a coyote with a .30 air rifle yet? 73fpe is more than enough at 64y to drop one no problems…. 50fpe is plenty depending on the dog and shot placement..
Your first problem is the hybrid slugs. They are designed for extreme expansion but they are light for caliber. At that speed it flattened out just a little too quickly. Despite what most people think you DO want it to flatten out and not pass through. That’s the only way to make sure all of the energy is passed onto target.
If you can get them to stop facing you I like a slug right through middle chest the best. That’s also how I shot a fox with a little Umarex complete, he made it 10 yards.
My suggestion would be a traditional airgun slug around the same weight you already have. The mass is distributed differently in a normal slug. You should get more penetration before full expansion. Before anyone comes for me I literally watched my buddy drop a yote with a 75gr boattail out of a Gauntlet .30 cal last month 118yards into the chest. He moved about 5 feet before he met his maker.
I’ve seen plenty of videos of people shooting H&N slugs out of those Fx guns. Air Hunter Gerhard dropped two Barbary sheep with a .25 cal M3 shooting 44gr H&N slugs. My boss at work shot his first hog as kid with a Benjamin break barrel. I’m not suggesting you do that, just pointing out that not all FPE is created equal.
Don’t go solid ammo. You will just get pass throughs. I agree on not going for headshots. I’ve had too many coyotes and jackrabbits matrix a headshot at the last second…. But yeah the idea you don’t have enough power to drop a coyote with a Impact M3 .30cal is crazy, sorry. Not trying start arguments but it’s just a fact…. Unless you’re in BC or Saskatchewan with those massive coyotes that look like mini wolves your .30 is more than enough. Down here in the desert it’s rare to get a coyote that’s even bigger than 40lbs and they’re skinny. A 20-35 pound dog ain’t a problem for your gun.
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Oh and for the record the title of the video is: “ New Javelin Slugs: Fx Impact M3 OVER 150 FPE.”
On the website .30 rattler maxes out at .125… I doubt it would be hard to mod it past 150fpe…
Airgun tactical says the AEA challenger will do 185fpe in .30 cal
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Yeah I don’t have any problem being wrong but I wasn’t wrong. My point was finding 150fpe+ in .25 or .30 isn’t hard or crazy. I found 3 of them in 2 minutes while at work…. Huben can do around 100fpe in .25 so I’ll take the L on that. But beyond that I do feel you’re just being nitpicky… you say you’re not familiar with FX, neither am I. Never even seen one in person… but you act like it’s such a surprise to find a .30 cal thatll do 150+ fpe. Sorry but it’s the most famous Airgun Brand in the world. Even getting second hand info on it is easy…
You also didn’t say anything about the Skout and I know for a fact the some of the AGT guns will do 140fpe fairly easily… you also ignored the Air Force Texan in .257 which easily beats the requirements so that’s at least 4 not 3 guns.
As for the rattler I stand by what I said. Milking an extra 25fpe out of it wouldn’t be too hard. I’m getting almost 20fpe over advertised power on my 250z and I haven’t even added a plenum to it yet.
I don’t shoot .30 cal and I agree that 150fpe+ isn’t needed. Especially for the night calling I do.
But yeah it seems like you’re mostly just trying to argue or nitpick over some minor points which is that 150fpe+ in .30 cal isn’t some kind of mountain to climb. You say you’re interested and you’ve read a lot. But you ask me to find stuff for you to read and then say you don’t watch fx videos because you don’t have one. That doesn’t make sense… how do you decide to buy a guy if you don’t research brands you don’t already have? So yeah I stand by what I said, my point was correct. You’re just looking to argue. Even after responding you still came back to disagree about a couple lil pissant points and ignored guns that didn’t fit into your “perspective” lol arguing about .308 vs. .30 when .257 already clearly does the job…. I’m not mad at you I just don’t have the desire to do your research for you. Or argue or details(or semantics) when the original point has already been made.
Learn your gun, learn theory on how to gain power then tune your gun. If you don’t wanna tune send it to someone and have them do it. Hell I could tune most guns already and I’m a noob. Do the research then carefully do the work. I’m a machinist so I can make anything I need to.
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My mora 357 was putting out between 240-250 fpe. I could see what the 30cal 600mm barrel would do. I still wouldn’t try the fx slugs though, smaller game yes but raccoon an up I think they expand too fast.
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@Cantona256 I didn’t mention .257s because they don’t interest me. I think I was clear on what caught my eye. I didn’t mention Skout because I viewed the specs of one of their .30 cal models and it didn’t quite meet your claim. No big deal. That’s not the sort of rifle I’d select for hunting. But why I’m not mentioning Skout and what you’re saying sort of affirms the ease of shopping for a .30 for coyote hunting. If I’m doing this, I personally don’t want to ship for Something I’d have to modify to achieve my desired power levels or higher. I’d simply consider modifying something I already own as opposed to buying something new. When it comes to me you’re absolutely clueless to what I have owned. Why even speak on something like that? You’ve answered some of my questions and I’m fine with what you provided. I‘m not digging super deep into the details of the maximum potential of any of these guns since I’m not planning on purchasing any.30 cals right now. If there was something that you mentioned that wasn’t on my radar, it would be a welcome addition for when I decide to get something else. I don’t want to push and continue to use a gun at its highest setting. You’re a machinist so maybe altering guns is fun to you. I‘m not much into tinkering. I like to set up a gun (tune) for a specific purpose and leave it alone. Different gun’s for different things. I’m pretty good there. There may be one or two guns I don’t mind changing between different turns, but I generally leave well enough alone, this conversation. My line of questioning comes from that vantage point. Thanks for responding. Happy coyote hunting.Yeah I don’t have any problem being wrong but I wasn’t wrong. My point was finding 150fpe+ in .25 or .30 isn’t hard or crazy. I found 3 of them in 2 minutes while at work…. Huben can do around 100fpe in .25 so I’ll take the L on that. But beyond that I do feel you’re just being nitpicky… you say you’re not familiar with FX, neither am I. Never even seen one in person… but you act like it’s such a surprise to find a .30 cal thatll do 150+ fpe. Sorry but it’s the most famous Airgun Brand in the world. Even getting second hand info on it is easy…
You also didn’t say anything about the Skout and I know for a fact the some of the AGT guns will do 140fpe fairly easily… you also ignored the Air Force Texan in .257 which easily beats the requirements so that’s at least 4 not 3 guns.
As for the rattler I stand by what I said. Milking an extra 25fpe out of it wouldn’t be too hard. I’m getting almost 20fpe over advertised power on my 250z and I haven’t even added a plenum to it yet.
I don’t shoot .30 cal and I agree that 150fpe+ isn’t needed. Especially for the night calling I do.
But yeah it seems like you’re mostly just trying to argue or nitpick over some minor points which is that 150fpe+ in .30 cal isn’t some kind of mountain to climb. You say you’re interested and you’ve read a lot. But you ask me to find stuff for you to read and then say you don’t watch fx videos because you don’t have one. That doesn’t make sense… how do you decide to buy a guy if you don’t research brands you don’t already have? So yeah I stand by what I said, my point was correct. You’re just looking to argue. Even after responding you still came back to disagree about a couple lil pissant points and ignored guns that didn’t fit into your “perspective” lol arguing about .308 vs. .30 when .257 already clearly does the job…. I’m not mad at you I just don’t have the desire to do your research for you. Or argue or details(or semantics) when the original point has already been made.
Learn your gun, learn theory on how to gain power then tune your gun. If you don’t wanna tune send it to someone and have them do it. Hell I could tune most guns already and I’m a noob. Do the research then carefully do the work. I’m a machinist so I can make anything I need to.
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my panthera .30 can hit 157fpe - 70gr @ 1000fps. I have been shooting 62.5gr @ 960 with it tho, at 127fpe. It seems to really like those. I can get 4/5 on 6" steel at 200 yards, that should cover vitals...
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okay bro…good luck with everything cuz frankly most of what you say doesn’t make a lick of sense but you do you playa…“If I’m doing this, I personally don’t want to ship for Something I’d have to modify to achieve my desired power levels or higher. I’d simply consider modifying something I already own as opposed to buying something new.”
so do you buy it and put it on a time limit before you can modify it? Even if it’s been sitting at your house for 6 months it was still new at some point… and if you don’t like tinkering with them why bother at all? Just call Utah Airguns or AOA order a .35 and tell them exactly what you want. As opposed to boring me to death with a bunch of pendantic musings to nowhere.Oh and learn to read better. I never talked about what guns you have or haven’t owned. I was responding to you saying you are not familiar with fx guns because you’ve never owned one. I was gently calling BS on that because you apparently are super researched in .30cal but didn’t know the power levels of the M3. It’s only the most famous Airgun brand in the world and you’re the research king so that’s weird.
You’re free to enjoy the hobby however you want but you seem the type that just reads specs on a website and goes from there. I don’t need a lot of experience to know that airguns are almost as much about tuning as they are about shooting. Coming onto the forums to argue about manufacturers specs is really tedious.
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“If I’m doing this, I personally don’t want to ship for Something I’d have to modify to achieve my desired power levels or higher. I’d simply consider modifying something I already own as opposed to buying something new.”
@Cantona256 All this banter and drivel and not a single link provided detailing specs aside from a video.
@Chukar60 My apologies to contributing to derailing your thread .
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I don't hunt coyotes currently but I like to test my hunting airguns for penetration in wet magazines before hunting with them. I want to be sure I am getting enough penetration. I test at a representative distance for my hunting. Tests with several slug candidates would give you expansion and penetration information.
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