Black wolf prices
- Thread starter ButchS
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I guess the BW sticker shock for me comes from the mechanical operation vs the electronic operation. shouldn’t the BW be cheaper just because of that? It’s very nice, preferred by most probably, but mechanical is still cheaper to make and maintain under warranty. Apple to apples, BW should land in the middle, but instead it’s priced high, top tier. Daystate had an opportunity to really out sell and truly compete with FX on multiple popular models here with the BW if they would have priced it right. I would also choose the FX King GRS over the BW due to the price, but equal price or even within $250-$400 I would probably go Daystate BW. Big opportunity lost by Daystate here.
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Utter ridiculousness. I will get back to the redwolf. What @CoyoteGod said is exactly what was noodling around in my head and the point I think I was trying to convey. Daystate seems to have ripped the technology from the ghost and put it in a traditional rifle format. Nothing wrong with that kudos
. However, they put a price tag on it as if they had ripped the tech of the alpha/delta wolf and put that into the blackwolf. I wish they had done just that believe me. I’d be lining up for the BW if that was what daystate had done. I hope one day they do just that. I’m no engineer (obviously..lol) so maybe doing that would be astronomically expensive??As far as the redwolf is concerned that price is crazy. In my opinion it has been left behind in the electric gun world. The redwolf completely defeats the beauty of having an electro, having complete and easy control over exactly what the gun is doing. What do you get with a redwolf? High , medium or low. That’s it unless you want to spend a bunch of extra money on a programmer that is not user friendly at all. Even then I’m pretty sure you can only manipulate the three settings leaving you three options. I wanted one for awhile but again really thinking about it naw. I hope the next daystate is a BW or RW with alpha/delta wolf tech in it. I’ll be handing them a wad of cash and maybe a few toes if I have too.
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The chassis alone is at $1300 us dollarsThat makes what I paid for my Super Leggero seem a bargain by comparison…
The more and more I research this rifle the more I like it. The price is very high but what your getting is very top of the line non-electronic perfection. This is, on the surface anyway, seriously out classing the FX King. After the RTI Mora next year, I will be in the market for a walnut Blackwolf in .25 for both stationary and tripod pesting.
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When a product like this first comes out, the company is looking to recoup R&D Cost, Retooling Cost, Retraining of labor force to accommodate the new product and initial cost of raw materials to produce the product. For Daystate you are also paying to all the social economic add ons that inflate the labor cost. What you get in return is a quality product that performs above its competitors, or that is what Daystate hopes. The buyer who most benefits from this type of product is the competition shooter who will recoup the cost via winnings. For the average air gunner who is not a recent lottery winner and only shoots tree rats and paper targets out to 35 yards, a NOTOS or equivalent works just fine. Buying one of these if you are a backyard shooter is equivalent to buying a Corvette and never driving it above 70 mph. Having one gives great bragging rights and increases the probability of convincing everyone your nickname is Tripod.
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It reads just like what I think. Buy the gun that fits your use. Unless you competitively shoot there is very little need for these $2k and above guns. Bragging rights for shooting a tight group or just the ego gratification of owning a new version of the mfg top of the line.
At a guess 90% or more of air gun users dont need anything more than an Airforce Condor, Umarex Zelos/Snowpeak M60B or Reximex Throne 2. Good, reliable, well made and accurate rifles for less than $1,000 new.
But that 1/4 inch tighter group in their backyard is important to them. They spend $2000 more to get that 1/4 inch, maybe, if they have the skill. A skill most do not have or have lost due to age or infirmity.
And the whining that no one will buy their last year's model. Because the market is flooded with them and they think they are worth more than the market will support.
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Some people just like the finer things in life, what's wrong with that!? Don't like the cost of the BW, then vote with your wallet. So far, I'm liking the BW, it's easy to adjust, the overall engineering is complexity through simplicity...unlike other brands like FX which is complexity for the sake of complexity.
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Air guns are not some luxury automobile or oxblood leather roll arm couch. There is no significantly functional difference between a M60B and Black Wolf. Both do exactly the same thing in virtually the same manner.
Unless you are a competitive shooter spending significantly more money to receive a minor incremental increase in performance is not a "finer thing". It is consumer excess.
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Here is a hypothetical question. If someone offers you a choice of M60B or Black Wolf for free, which one will you take. Both are functionally the same. No need to answer, I already know your choice.
So, you imagine that taking something, for free, I can sell for a ridiculous amount of money due to "consumer excess" over taking something of lower cash value is a "gotcha"?
Maybe look up the definition of "consumer excess" would help.
Now, explain what defines a "finer thing" about air guns. What specifically makes the Black Wolf worth $2,000 more than an M60B or Throne 2 or Condor.
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'Worth' is subjective. 'Finer Things' are subjective. Some people think a Mercedes is a 'finer thing'. Personally, I wouldn't own one. Outrageous maintenance cost, low reliability and a terrible resale doesn't equal 'finer thing' to me.
The problem isn't pricing. The problem here is a bunch of guys thinks everyone is supposed to like what they like... that everyone should think the way they do.
If you want the gun buy the gun. If you can't afford the gun.... make better choices in life. Just stop telling other people what they should like or how they should feel.
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Yet my question stands unanswered. Subjective or objective a feature or function of the Black Wolf could be identified that creates $2,000 in value.
The only significant defining feature is the price. The hypothetical brilliantly demonstrated that.
As for telling people what to buy, every noob that comes along is told by the Joneses of AGN to buy the overpriced gun they bought. Regardless of stated budget.
But dont point out the obvious to the Jonses.
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I’m probably not going to get a BW because, for me, price is just ridiculous even for top of the line. However, if I somehow get to shoot one and really “like” it for whatever reason, I may just buy it anyway. The point made by others is not that the BW would be good bang for your buck for the average backyard plinker that only cares about getting a pellet from A to B over 40 yards. The point is that if someone likes it for its edge as to quality, fit and finish, feel, form factor or simplicity of adjustments and can afford it, why shouldn’t they buy it even if they just want to punch paper at 40. This applies to all things in live. A 2k bottle of whisky or wine is probably not “worth” the 1.9k over a $100 bottle from a bang for your buck perspective. But why not if you like it and can afford it? If you don’t that’s fine, too.
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Happy Birthday old man ! from this old man 80 on Sept 9 2025I was hoping my Physicians Assistant son would buy one for his aging father’s 80th birthday…
No luck.
He is going on a cruise.
Note: I didn’t get one of those either.
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These arguments can extentd to anything. Finer automobiles…
I paid 2800 bucks for an 08 Honda Civic over 3.5 years ago. It had 140k on it has 220k on it now. Haven’t done a thing except tires, plugs and coil packs to it. Runs like a champ. Best 2800 bucks I ever spent in my life. Does the exact same thing as any vehicle. Gets my butt back and forth to work trouble free. Where is excess there? A 5k car? I only needed a 3k car ? It’s a completely subjective concept in someone’s mind that varies depending on the person and what type of item we are talking about. To me the BW is too much for what you get. Who am I or anyone else to judge others that feel differently?
I paid 2800 bucks for an 08 Honda Civic over 3.5 years ago. It had 140k on it has 220k on it now. Haven’t done a thing except tires, plugs and coil packs to it. Runs like a champ. Best 2800 bucks I ever spent in my life. Does the exact same thing as any vehicle. Gets my butt back and forth to work trouble free. Where is excess there? A 5k car? I only needed a 3k car ? It’s a completely subjective concept in someone’s mind that varies depending on the person and what type of item we are talking about. To me the BW is too much for what you get. Who am I or anyone else to judge others that feel differently? Last edited:
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A Lamborghini and a Prius gets you from point A to point B. The journey is a bit more enjoyable with one than the other.
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