Black wolf prices

Well, most likely know that when costs go up to a business, they typically aren't something that business can pass along to their customers in a linear fashion. There is also the cost of money to the business - the money they use to purchase on the wholesale level, pay the shipping/freight to get things transported to their warehouse, and import duties. Many may, but others won't remember when interest rates on borrowed money were even higher than today. But let's just agree that interest rates are higher than they were 4-5 years ago.

So paying more on import duties now means that the business needs to borrow more money, and at a higher interest rate than it used to be.

I don't know what the additional costs to the business are on a 10% increase in import duties, but I'm d@mn sure that they are more than 10%. Throw in the uncertainty factor on where duties (tariffs) are going, and whatever inventory the business purchases today may, in say 6 months, be either a real bargain (if tariff rates go up) or way overpriced (if tariff rates drop).

If tariff rates go up the business is kind of screwed since their purchasing and borrowing costs will go up more and they will have to raise prices again to their customers.

If tariff rates go down the business is kind of screwed since they have already had to pay more for the inventory they have, but their customers will be screaming for lower prices since the tariffs have gone down.

We can rant about price increases and no end purchaser likes them. Businesses like them even less, especially when they are made all the worse by uncertainty as to what might happen tomorrow.

Be happy to be an air gun buyer, and not an air gun business.
 
Significant price jump I would say. None of the Black Wolves were over $4k and now the 28" Chassis is $4100. Can't recall what the price was but I am thinking a $2-300 jump across the entire line-up.
But AoA also jumped the price of the Mora and if you go to Tony's site they are still the regular price.

So that leaves me asking what's up over at AoA, maybe.

I've bought a few pricey airguns in the past few years, but I have never and will never spend over $4K on a chunk of metal that spits lead bits. Yeah - that makes me sound cranky - but the prices are hitting redunk-a-dunk levels. For that price go buy a Thomas - I would.
Buy a Thomas I did 💪
 
I don't sing FX praises very often, but at least they have managed to keep themselves in the $2K range. I agree with the other statement - Daystate is and will price themselves out of the market.
Currently AOA can’t keep them in stock
interesting problem to solve with tariffs jamming merchants
 
I don't understand, maybe I'm dumb or stupid (or both). Why all the hate on Daystate? I pulled up my AoA invoice for my 2015 Airwolf MCT .177, and the cost was $2,598. My AoA order for my 2025 Red Wolf HP .177 was $2,599. Exactly one dollar more after ten years, and a longer barrel, and updated electronics thrown in. Seems to me like Daystate has held the prices down (at lease on this model) for quite a long period.

It appears that there's at least a 10% tariff on the countries in the EU. Why not hate the tariff? Most assuredly the other manufacturers will follow suit and raise prices.
 
  • Like
Reactions: L.Leon
I don't understand, maybe I'm dumb or stupid (or both). Why all the hate on Daystate? I pulled up my AoA invoice for my 2015 Airwolf MCT .177, and the cost was $2,598. My AoA order for my 2025 Red Wolf HP .177 was $2,599. Exactly one dollar more after ten years, and a longer barrel, and updated electronics thrown in. Seems to me like Daystate has held the prices down (at lease on this model) for quite a long period.

It appears that there's at least a 10% tariff on the countries in the EU. Why not hate the tariff? Most assuredly the other manufacturers will follow suit and raise prices.
Planet Eclipse is in England. They sell the most popular paintball gun in the industry. The gun prices are between $300-$2000. They have NOT raised their prices a penny. Same location. Same tariff. NO price change. Something is fishy.
 
Planet Eclipse is in England. They sell the most popular paintball gun in the industry. The gun prices are between $300-$2000. They have NOT raised their prices a penny. Same location. Same tariff. NO price change. Something is fishy.
Remember what drives the free market:

willing sellers
willing buyers
supply v demand
and
promotional hype
lastly
actual PERFORMANCE!

yes - lots of factors go into pricing any new item that comes to market, also remember that prices that seem high or low are often relative to a particular persons income V spending priorities.
 
  • Like
Reactions: L.Leon
Planet Eclipse is in England. They sell the most popular paintball gun in the industry. The gun prices are between $300-$2000. They have NOT raised their prices a penny. Same location. Same tariff. NO price change. Something is fishy.
On April 5, 2025 the US applied a 10% Baseline Tariff on the United Kingdom (UK), applicable to most of the products from the UK. Planet Eclipse can chose whether they eat the cost of the tariff on their paintball products or pass it on to the consumer. Their U.S. stock supply is not affected by the tariff. As soon as new shipments are made then the tariff cost will be applied.
 
Buy a Thomas I did 💪
I'd buy a Thomas before a Daystate at those prices , that's for sure., especially since Thomas is 1.25 hours from my house. I can go and shoot at his place. Problem is, I am mainly a hunter. I am not and never will be a competition shooter. I wouldn't even know how to spec out one of his customs for hunting and one man competition shooting (caliber, barrel length, accessories). I do know if it had a rock sold Arca rail it would work great.
Without starting a big dung show, as everyone knows, Mike knows a real shooting competition vs a product showcase/carnival.
 
Last edited:
Planet Eclipse is in England. They sell the most popular paintball gun in the industry. The gun prices are between $300-$2000. They have NOT raised their prices a penny. Same location. Same tariff. NO price change. Something is fishy.
Not really, tariff price adjustments are not always immediate. Depends on a several factors. The two biggest being local pre-tariff stock on hand and whether the current margins can absorb the tariffs.

Stock on hand is not subject to tariffs. Only imports after implementation of tariffs are subject to tariffs. Tariffs are announced and for the period between that and implementation companies have been known to supplement local stock.

If the company involved believes their profit margin is sufficient they can choose to not raise prices and accept the lower margins. Usually that is the case if they believe the tariffs to be temporary.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cavedweller
A of A can’t keep them in stock or can’t get them in stock ? Hear a lot about places just not being able to get things from suppliers right now.
As far as price goes if people like it they will pay it. Many seem to like it. Me not so much. Well north of 3k for a mechanical gun with a decent stock. It really is ridiculous. There is nothing special inside of the BW. I’d probably go fx king for like a grand less. Lmao
 
  • Like
Reactions: aussiegav
A of A can’t keep them in stock or can’t get them in stock ? Hear a lot about places just not being able to get things from suppliers right now.
As far as price goes if people like it they will pay it. Many seem to like it. Me not so much. Well north of 3k for a mechanical gun with a decent stock. It really is ridiculous. There is nothing special inside of the BW. I’d probably go fx king for like a grand less. Lmao
I wouldn't say it's not special. It's just not that much more special, maybe. I understand the trigger is pretty special, but I don't have much personal experience to compare. Anyone who's tried mine has commented on it very positively. It feels like an electronic trigger almost, in a good way. Besides that, I think the small amount of O-rings to maintain and general faith in the manufacturer's quality control set it apart.
 
Daystate is definitely a premium product price wise. I stayed away mainly due to the electronics previously. I'm interested in the BW but like others have mentioned, pricing seems to be headed in the wrong direction. Someone posted this screenshot back in March/April showing $2,179. I get that tariffs and exchange rates have had negative impacts on our hobby but now the same exact item is $2,599. That's over a 19% increase. If you wanted nicer wood, you have to pay Hermès prices. Hopefully prices go back to "normal" otherwise the FX King is looking like the better value at $2,349 with a nicer GRS stock. A synthetic stock "bottle" FX King @$1,799 seems like a bargain compared to the BW.

1749846565464.jpeg


1749846548000.png
 
  • Like
Reactions: silverstreak
I wouldn't say it's not special. It's just not that much more special, maybe. I understand the trigger is pretty special, but I don't have much personal experience to compare. Anyone who's tried mine has commented on it very positively. It feels like an electronic trigger almost, in a good way. Besides that, I think the small amount of O-rings to maintain and general faith in the manufacturer's quality control set it apart.
I’m not saying it’s not 100% a great top line gun. Actually have no idea but I’m sure it is. My point is just in my opinion I don’t see the price tag in it. Just don’t. Guess it’s a 1k stock or something?
 
  • Like
Reactions: kwaping