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Slugs & Molds - Designing, Making and Testing

I've been messing around with some different slug designs for a bit now and figured I'd share and ask for some help.

Here's my latest attempt at making a .51 mold that shoots straight.

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This is a 300gr .510 design that represents the culmination of my (novice level) understanding of what makes a decent air gun slug. I made it specifically for my challenger elite 51, so one of the main requirements is that it fit in the magazine. I just made these and haven't tested them yet, but this is a V2 of a previous design that did reasonably well. Hoping this is an improvement.

I've been on a mission to find a decent mold for my 51, and boy has that let me down a rabbit hole. I did the "buy and try" method with a bunch of 357 molds... that got expensive... so instead of spending a fortune on noe and accurate molds it kinda made more sense to make my own molds from scratch. In the pics above is my first completely-from-scratch mold, aside from the lee 2cav handle.

I started making molds from the lee 2 cavity blanks. Having used a bunch of them I quickly learned their shortcomings. One of my biggest gripes about them is the sprue plate. They have a tendency to lift up on the cavity farthest from the screw causing one slug to be longer. Doesn't seem to be a problem on molds that have a second screw to hold down the sprue plate, so I integrated that concept. I also discovered that having a very flat and smoothly machined sprue plate will help the mold operate smoothly, with less lubrication and less galling of the aluminum. Another gripe about the lee 2cav blanks is that they are not, flat, square, true, plumb, centered, even or consistent. All the things that would help make a precise mold... they don't have it. This made machining a pain... so just another reason to make em from scratch.

As far as the shape of the projectile... I have very few answers and many, many questions. Some of the first slugs I made were very simple shapes. Straight sides with a modestly rounded nose. These shot horribly. Maybe even keyholing, which was quite confusing. I only fired them a few times... just enough to know that they were wild then moved on. Here's an example of that.

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I started making some attempts at a slug with higher BC than a typical hollow point or wadcutter. Simple G1 style, tangent ogive, and some simple grooves on the OD. I've had some interesting results that raise a lot of questions. Here's an example that shot wildly.

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I had high hopes for that one... it looked cool at least! Here's a couple that shot pretty well.

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The two above... both molds had some chatter so I endes up remaking them with a few tweaks. Results are pretty decent... need more testing time at the bench.

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That's some of what I've done so far... too tired to write more... will continue soon.

Also, I am actively seeking any books, docs or comments that would help design better slugs. Please let me know!

Fx impact m3 or m4? If you're going to buy an impact?

M4 over the m3 not much of an upgrade but the upgrades are nice to have. I'm sure m3 owners wouldn't sell it to upgrade to the m4. So this question is for non impact owners. If you don't have an impact and want one. Which one to buy? The m3 or m4? I remember when the m3 came out every fx fan Boyz (Ted, Matt, South Africa Boyz, Utah airgun, shooter1721, and folks on here, etc) were so hype and bragging about the dual reg and saying having dual reg is a must. Then came the m4 and they got rid of that. Like what's up. If the hypes of the m3 was about the dual reg why get rid of it.

PCP Rifle  SOLD Reximex Meta .177 $400 Shipped!

I have a Reximex Meta in .177. Getting rid of my .177 lot. Gun shots great without issues. The Reg is pre set at 140 and it shoots slugs pretty well! 10 grain JSB slugs at 935 FPS and 13.4 grain FX pellets at 880. This gun was my favorite out of the three being sold.
Comes with two mags and everything else from factory.
Does not come with scope or bipod.
Thanks for looking!! 😬

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Optics  SOLD Nikko Diamond 10-50x-60 and BSA Platinum 10-50x-60 with Rowan acessories. $495 +shipping

Nikko Diamond 10-50x-60 is a mk1, made in Japan, mildot reticle, comes with original box and paperwork, Sunshade, Rowan engineering oversized elevation turret, Rowan pointer, custom Delrin elevation turret, original elevation turret, OEM aluminum lens caps, OEM sidewheel with a custom Delrin sidewheel extension.

BSA Platinum 10-50x-60 is the same scope with a target dot reticle. Also high quality Japanese manufacturing and parts are interchangeable. Turrets, sidewheel, lens caps etc... fit both scopes.

Both show signs of use, with marks, fading, and a few stickers. Both function properly. Lenses look excellent. Selling cheap to reduce inventory. Both scopes and accessories $495 + shipping.

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EDgun  Edgun Leishy 9mm worth the $$$?

So with my recent purchase of an acreage and a ridiculous amount of rabbits inhabiting the place it has me wanting a new pcp. While I love my epic two 550mm rifle, it was purchased and setup for long range paper target killing and is quite cumbersome to walk my property with and eliminate rabbits. The Leishy 9mm checks all the boxes and although .35 is a bit excessive for pesting its still what I’m leaning towards. I’d like like to hear feedback from other owners as to reliability, likes and dislikes with regard to the high price tag, has it been worth it for you? Thanks

N/A  SUB 12 AIRGUNNER

Hey people i just wanted to throw out there,now i dont shoot in sub 12fpe but there is a guy i have bin watching on youtube call sub12 airgunner i dont care what gun it is and he gets them all he machines new parts makes the gun better and proves it with shot counts very fun to watch and you learn diffrent stuff give it a shot i do some crazy things with pcps but this makes me go wow maybe i am not good as i thought lol

An ERA has ended .... death of my last Optisan Viper 4-16x50

As many who play Hunter Field target, the Optisan Vipers are for those fortunate enough to have or had them, there for many the gold standard in a mid cost optic that ranged very well at 12 or 16x having a killer christmas tree SCB reticle.

Well :( This past weekend my last of 3 in rotation has died after a solid 10 years of hard FT use. At closer ranges you really see it ( That of the reticle shifting position ) as you rotate parrilax wheel one direction then the other. It cost me a championship possible win this past weekend as the reticle would shift to the WRONG position anytime when at 10-13 yards and could not get it to shift into proper alignment consistently while close, yet at further distances if keeping rotation on final parrilax read one way, all shots went where aimed.
* Looking back at the weekend, could attribute a good 9 or 10 shots up close that were IMO very doable, but were always missed going 2 O'clock outside KZ every time :mad:

So for all these years never had found, used or kept around any scopes tried as a replacement for the Viper's ... Until this past weekend :unsure: having been watching and viewing some of the Athlon HERAS models this past couple seasons ... The Newest FT specific model the HERAS 6-24x56 SPR in SFP configuration ( Illuminated as well ) got the nod as a replacement :rolleyes: We'll set it up as we had previous, get a Nautilus wheel fitted and give it a go.

N/A  Your Ultimate Pinker or Hunting Gun

Here's my pinker and small game hunting gun. Max range is 50 yards and anything under 20 yards I'll use my red dot. I haven't sighted in my GK1 yet but we'll see how the scope and red dot does. If you're wondering, I turned my scope 90 degrees counter clockwise in order to mount my red dot. Let's see yours! (Forgot to take a picture of my GK1 with the moderator! 😠)

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Airgun Revisions welcomes Stoeger Industries.

Airgun Revisions is now a full line Stoeger Industries airgun dealer. Designed in Italy by Stoeger and produced by Snowpeak. These affordable airguns are truly comfortable and come with more features then most in their price range.

The collaboration between Benelli USA and Airgun Revisions means bringing you the models you want or are looking for, as well as a peace of mind as AR inspects every gun it sells. Benelli USA’s customer service is also second to none and resides in Pocomoke, Maryland.

YouTube reviews from Airgun Angie and Air Shootist are already available.

Airgun Revisions is starting off with the PCP’s. More models will be coming in the weeks ahead. Visit airgunrevisions.com today.

Wishing all the best, AR

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Umarex  notos accuracy issues

so to preface again this is my first pcp, zeroed it in at 25 yds and it was pretty dead on, so i figured id try 50 yds as ive seen a bunch of youtube videos etc of it doing well even at 50. the issue arises here, i have it in a lead sled and even having it held on bullseye its ALL over and by all over i mean almost 8 inches in some shots. im currently running the regular 22 cal crossman premiers(the domed ones) and have tried the crossman premier hollow points and its doing the same thing with both. was i wrong to assume this would be a decent mid range gun?

N/A  Digital gauges on your reg

I took the plunge a few weeks ago and bought some sekhmet gauges. They landed the other day, so I've fitted one to my DRS and two to my Dynamic. I have noticed that my Dynamic reg refills to (UK 12 ft/lbs) 72 BAR immediately, but left overnight creeps to 76 BAR. I wouldn't have noticed on a 'normal' gauge..............is this expected or out of tolerance?. Should I strip, clean, polish and moly the bellville washers or just leave it alone?

Rob

PCP Rifle  SOLD FX Panthera .22 700mm w/ 300 bar bottle and Arken EP5

Selling a lightly used FX Panthera.

Plenty of power and accuracy found in the rifle, it has less than 200 shots through it before my friend decided to go with a .30 King instead.

Comes with the 300 bar bottle w/ installed valve as well as the factory bottle and two magazines.

Arken EP5 5-25

Selling Package for $2,000

Panthera plus 300 bar bottle $1700.

Arken EP5 $375

Buyer pays actual shipping

(Nine16) Five31-2349

camsprecisionairguns(@)gmail.com

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Pellet Problems

Hello group! My name is Bob and I have a pellet problem.

I guess it all started innocently enough. I loved shooting and had been an avid shooter for more than 50 years. I had wanted a Diana break barrel air rifle since first seeing one in action as a lad. I was looking for a rifle I could practice offhand shooting skills that didn’t break the bank. The decision to purchase an air rifle seemed to be a good choice. Little did I know the shocking depths that this decision would take me.

At first it was a few 5 shot groups on paper in my back yard from a rest. Sighting in, learning a proper hold, dealing with slipping scopes and stripping mounting screws. When I got it all together my shot count increased and I was hitting the target. Life was good and I began to really enjoy it.

Soon I was spending more time shooting. My routine was getting much better and I was shooting well. My patterns were much better and I enlisted a friend in my activities. Beer was often involved. It was fun.

We got better targets. Green army men. Plastic dinosaurs. Aluminum cylinders that rang like bells. We shot a lot better now. Our range was increasing. So was our shot count. It was so enjoyable we did it more often.

Sometimes after a long shoot I would feel really good. Relaxed. Almost elated. This was big fun.

One day I looked down and realized I had shot a full tin of H&N pellets. At first I thought my buddy had been snaking them. Then I looked at the time. We had been there for four hours straight. I didn’t realize it then but looking back I should have known this was a warning.

Soon we were shooting every day. For longer periods. Sometimes we would get up early and shoot all day. My lady friend hadn’t seen me in weeks. I hadn’t been fishing with my son in months.

I was having trouble paying the pellet bills. I had to switch to Crosmans to support my habit. Pyramid Air was slow shipping and I often had to wait. I was buying pellets on the Amazon from shady vendors that couldn’t be trusted.

One night while walking across WalMart parking lot with a sack full of CPHP’s and my fingers black with graphene I realized I had a problem. I was a mess. A lead head.

I was doing 2000 pellets a week and it just wasn’t enough. The more I shot the more I wanted to shoot. It was consuming my life. I had a flock of Hawke scopes constantly flying across the country being repaired. I had a bucket of broken scope mounts under my kitchen table that was piled with broken Hatsans. There was a tiny space I had cleared off to eat at the foot of a mountain of broken springs and torn seals.

I was hitting shotgun shells in my sleep. My eyes were crossed from focusing on the front post. My sex life had vanished. I wasn’t eating right. Personal hygiene was a problem. My dog was lonesome and howled all night.

I’m here because I want to tell you there is light at the end of this tunnel. I’m still using pellets but I have learned that with time you can turn it around. Its not easy. But with help you can make it. Someday I hope to be pellet free. For now I want to celebrate the progress I have made.

I’m down to about 1000 pellets a week and by Christmas my goal is to be using no more than 500. My time management is better and I adhere to strict eating and showering schedules. I’m trying to patch up my relationship with my lady and I walk the dog regularly. I still shoot a lot but I’m trying to put it in perspective. I feel that I have finally turned a corner and I’m on my way to recovery.

If I can't do it on my own there is always slug therapy. Sure there are risks but shooting slugs have proven to reduce pellet cravings in several clinical studies. Its new technology and the long term risks are unknown but I know that it's there if I decide I need it.

I hope this might be an inspiration to others out there with a pellet problem. Just know that you are not alone. Don't be afraid to ask for help. It's a disease from which you can recover if you simply take that first step and admit you have a problem.

Air Tanks  SOLD Airtanks For Sale "Great White " Tank ****REDUCED****

For sale is my Great White air tank. I am the original owner , purchased from Joe B in May of 2011 , for just under $900 delivered. For the first 5 years , I had it filled by a local firearm / paintball store from his 4 stage compressor that produced scuba quality breathing air. When the owner died , his family sold off everything as quickly as they could and I was "up the creek without a paddle". After much research and commiserating , I bought an Airetex 45 from Bruce Dodson in 2016. The reason for this history lesson is to show that this tank has only been filled with clean , breathable , dry air. Fast forward to present times , I am using surplus older tanks that have seen very little use. In fact , I will have another for sale within the next several weeks. This tank has never been re certified ( stretched by a hydro test). It is as new , other than the date and never been taken out of my shop / garage other than when it was filled during the first 5 years. The pictures will show that it is in perfect condition all over. It has the TJ-3 slow flow valve and does not have the second gauge. Included is a generous fill hose. Selling for $400 now $380 ( around 42.5% of the cost new) plus shipping and insurance to the conus. PS, due to it's age , no commercial business will fill it without a hydro test , and to comply with DOT regulations , it will be shipped empty...................unless you want to pick it up in Hickory , NC...........then it will be packed full. Not interested in trades or offers at this time. Please deal by pm. Thanks for looking...............................Herb.......................................................PS , FYI the package will be 26 x 8 x 8 and ~15 lbs +/-. I use Pirate Ship and do not pad shipping.

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PCP Rifle  NLA WTT .22 Daystate Redwolf HP

Hi All,

Posted this for sale last night and the wife has decided she has a few more on her wish list (I created a monster). So before I go out in search of these wanted to see if anyone might be interested in a trade.

Mine is a .22 Daystate Redwolf HP with a beautiful walnut stock, newest electronics, and comes with a 700cc bottle, two magazines, single shot tray, two batteries and charger (also have the programmer I can add to the deal). Note-Scope, Rings, Atlas bipod and barrel clamp as well as 0dB moderator not included but can be negotiated.

Shoots the 25.4 Redesigns at 970 on medium power and with the large bottle gets tons of shots and as a bonus really really likes the Daystate Howler slugs….

Guns I would be open to trading for:

RAW .30 with newer barrel with threaded end for moderator (or an already quieted down version).

BRK Ghost HP .22

RTI Prophet with long range pellet barrel

FX King .30 600mm

Skout Epoch .30

FX Bobcat MK2 .30


******can add cash on my end if need be******




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Impact M4 Buying Experience.. A Little Disappointed :( - UPDATED RESOLUTION

So, my Birthday was July 20th and it's the big 60th this year so although I really didn't need it, curiosity on the new features and Copper color of the new M4 had me pulling the trigger to treat myself.
I purchased a compact .22 because I prefer the short bullpups from "a California based dealer" the week before my B-Day and it actually arrived on my "Big Day", I was so Happy :)... then I opened
the case. Gun was absolutely beautiful and blew me away but then I noticed a few things were missing from what I was expecting. There was no Manual, no Foster fitting. and the most disappointing
thing... No Moderator. So, I reached out to the dealer to figure out why. I was told "The M4 doesn't come with a manual, we don't include the Foster fitting because no one really uses it, and they
weren't sure why I didn't get a moderator" but asked that I call back on Monday to follow up. So, I called back on Monday and was told "The Compact doesn't come with a Moderator but they would
source a manual from the distributor if they could get one and forward it along". To clarify my expectations, I'm basing my "Disappointment" on the "Getting Started with the new M4" video posted on
social media (YouTube) from the distributor. In that video the spokesperson for the distributor opens the case on a new M4 and pulls each item out of the case stating "This is what comes with the gun".
The items the spokesperson notes are #1- The Manual, #2 - The Foster Fitting, and #3 - The gun with the new FX Moderator attached. So then I started looking through all the advertisement online
both written and video from every source I could find. No where does it state that the new moderator doesn't come with the Compact setup. So, I reached out to the distributor, explained that I had
just received the new M4 from an authorized dealer and was curious why I didn't receive all of the items they (the distributor) advertised came with the purchase of the gun. Specifically I asked "Does
the new M4 purchased in compact configuration not come with a moderator?" The response, "Hmmm I honestly don't know" really bothered me. I responded that no where in the advertisements does it
state that the compact configuration doesn't include a moderator and requested they (the distributor) look into it and get me a definitive answer. Just to clarify that I'm not whining about a trivial
detail, this gun cost me $2000 + $90 shipping + CA tax totaling a full purchase price of $2243.99, for a Compact with the shortest barrel and 300cc CF bottle. I fully understand and agree that the Standard
600mm and Sniper 700mm with longer barrels and larger bottles are higher priced. Call me crazy but for that amount of money for a compact I expected a gun with ALL the factory accessories including
the damn moderator. Am I wrong here in my expectations? Does it state anywhere in advertisement that the compact doesn't include All the factory accessories? Would I even use the new FX Moderator?
Maybe not... BUT I PAID FOR IT! So, I'm still waiting for a definitive answer from the "Distributor" on whether or not a Compact purchase includes a moderator, no response as of the writing of this post.
I'm hoping for the responsible and courteous solution, all the missing accessories are sent to me or at the very least a correction in advertising that clearly states "What's in the box" for each configuration.

Do You agree?

Tom Houser aka tdhouser1964
Sacramento, CA

Just wanted to say thanks

To all the good members we have here. The straight shooters. The word keepers. The ones who understand what trust and honor mean.

I recently almost got scammed twice on here. I reported the first and it came to light the acooint had been hacked and I got lucky because I sniffed him out.

Second one reached out, again for my WTB listing for the air arms s410. He offered a NIB thumbhole s510 for 800 saying he needed to get some money quick. I had just bought 2 huntsmans so funds were tight and I said not at this time but thank you.

Fast forward to this morning. I moved off some study and had the funds for the gun. I went to my messages and noticed he now has a negative feed back. He scammed another member, a newer member.

The feedback said they agreed, he sent funds. Then seller asked for more on the shipping and now he's ghosting them.

So again, I thank all of you good people that still exist in the world. I've had many pleasant experiences with many of you. Trades, sales, etc.


Also, thanks for putting up with my dark humor I have sometimes and my pre coffee rage rants on the weekends! It's never my intention to offend or piss anyone off.



Bless you all my airgun brothers!

Dr. K

PCP Rifle  NLA WTS :--REDUCED--FX Panthera .25 600mm (2 tank set up). New/mint $1600

Color (black) .25 cal 600mm. Saber Tactical offset front bottle adapter with bottle. (2 bottle rifle)
Case foam has been modified to accept moderator and bipod (not included) all factory supplied items and paperwork. Less than 20 pellets fired. Mint/new $1600 plus shipping.
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