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Why .22 and why .30

So, as I sift through video reviews for perhaps my next gun, I can't help but be intrigued by the number of reviews at .22. I'm wondering why 8 out of 10 reviews are for .22 models of just about every gun reviewed. I have been shooting .25 for years and its hard to venture out of my comfort zone...but I can be persuaded. One of our fellow members has assured me that there's no real difference in accuracy but still I see lots of .22. I understand that many shooting channels originate from South Africa, (SA), and the UK so they are tied to .22. Anyone care to enlighten me on the virtues of .22?

As a second part to this question....why go .30? I do understand the virtues of the heavier pellet bucking the wind in competition but is there something else? So any opinions with that caliber as well?

Thanks guys.
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Air Venturi  Avenge x .177 suddenly shoots innacurately

Hi - sorry for my noob approach to this awesome sport. The problem is that my AvengeX is suddenly very innacurate. Sometimes it groups just fine (1,5 cm/22m) and sometimes it is all over the target plate. I havent dropped the gun or the scope. The scope is level. I use a bench rest to hold the gun. I have cleaned the barrel with a pull-cord with aerosol on. Havent oiled it after. That didnt help. The gun seems tight on all screws. The scope is a Hawke and the baffle-thing in the front fits the barrel nicely. What could be wrong? Today I shot around 80 pellets without getting it to shoot in a consistent way. Looking forward to hear from you:)

Skout  For those wanting to see some Skout EVO stuff...

I recently bought a new Skout EVO. Like most out there I realized there isn't a lot posted on them yet.

After my first initial shooting, sampling JTS 22.07 pellets, and the Skout/Corbin slugs, and some Altaros ATP King slugs (no tuning, just trying to use recommended starting points to see where these projectiles were), I decided I wanted to do an initial barrel deep-cleaning, followed by a thorough cleaning/polishing with JB Bore Cleaning Compound, a final polishing with JB Bore Bright, then applying hard wax before I started learning the gun's characteristics and tuning it.

I've read a little about a barrel having to lead-in after such a deep cleaning, and how accuracy needs several shots to come back around. So, I wanted to follow this process and show how it went for the Skout EVO.

I was shooting the 25" Lothar Walthar .22 barrel with the 1:15.75 twist rate, with JTS Dead Center 22.07 pellets. The pellets had been cleaned in acetone to remove oils and lead particles/flakes, then rolled around in a box lined with paper towels that had a light layer of Pledge spray wax on them.

I was told by Bill Gardner (Skout President) the speed sweet-spot for these pellets in this barrel is typically from 960-985 (he did mention Tim Swan was having some success pushing them faster, and Tim has posted videos showing this). So, I wanted to start shooting the cleaned & waxed barrel from the unseasoned state, watching what it does, and see how long before it starts to come in on the accuracy. I made adjustments to the scope turrets and the High Pressure Regulator (HPR) as I went along to get the initial tune on target and to the 960 fps start of the sweet spot to be ready to start full tuning evaluation for my gun throughout the full sweet-spot range.

The shooting was done in 5-shot groups. There were 15 groups shot on 15 small targets on two pages, each containing 12 targets. They were shot in order from Page 1 to Page 2. I covered these targets with shot strings on the FX True Ballistics Radar Chronograph.

String #1 - HPR 1530-1535 / LPR 190 / Dwell 25 / Page 1 / Target 1: 5 shots. Avg 994 fps / ES 7 fps / Std Dev 2.3 fps / BC 0.051.

String #2 - HPR 1510-1515 / LPR 190 /Dwell 25 / Page 1 / Targets 2-7: 30 shots. Avg 987 fps / ES 8 fps / Std Dev 2.1 fps / BC 0.061.

String #3 - HPR 1480-1485 / LPR 185 /Dwell 25 / Page 1 / Target 8: 5 shots. Avg 982 fps / ES 2 fps / Std Dev 0.7 fps / BC 0.063.

String #4 - HPR 1410-1415 / LPR 180 /Dwell 25 / Page 1 / Targets 9-12: 20 shots. Avg 961 fps / ES 5 fps / Std Dev 1.4 fps / BC 0.058.

String #5 - HPR 1410-1415 / LPR 180 /Dwell 25 / Page 2 / Targets 1-3: 15 shots. Avg 959 fps / ES 6 fps / Std Dev 1.7 fps / BC 0.057.

After such a thorough cleaning/polishing, it looks like it took about 40 shots for the accuracy to start coming back in. Once it did, I was pretty happy with this as my starting point for tuning/characterizing my EVO over the expected speed/accuracy sweet-spot range of 960-985 fps with the JTS 22.07 pellets. Looks very promising to me.

The one thing that stands out to me is the ease of tuning and consistency of single digit ES numbers. With my impacts, I always had to find the right spot on the curve to get the ES numbers to drop below and stay in the single digits. The EVO always seems to be single digit ES.

I also noticed the speed for a given HPR is a little higher now. Maybe the cleaning/polishing/waxing?

One last note... I was able to adjust and maintain specific HPR settings because I installed two digital gauges on the tank and HPR. These are from Outgun and are 25mm size with BSPP threads. These are the only gauges I've found (they are brand new to the market) that are 25mm, BSPP and display in BOTH Bar or PSI. So far they seem to be working great. These gauges don't read low enough to work on the LPR, but they have one coming out that is supposed to. I'll post on that LPR gauge when it arrives.

So far, I'm impressed.

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Snowpeak  Regulator pressure increasing while cyclender pressure decreasing

Hello Everyone,
My air gun regulator increase fps while cyclender pressure decrease, for example i filled cylender at 240bars and regulator fps output 820, when cylender pressure decreased to 190bars the regulator increase fps to 836-840,
i rebuild the regulator and changed all the orings, could anyone help me how to get consistancy, gun is Artemis p15.
TIA.....

Airgun Market Shift?

Judging by the latest posts on this and other forums, it seems that airgun interests are going in different directions. 4 or 5 years ago, all you read about was high end rifles and getting power out of them for long distance shooting. This was stimulated by the Extreme Benchrest competition. I think that we have all discovered that we have reached the wall on airgun power, and anything approaching Mach 1 is no good. Further, there has been a huge influx of newer, cheaper rifles from other parts of the world that seem to perform pretty well and are attracting new shooters and those not interested in competition. Also, it seems that stuff posted on the classifieds are not selling, even at bargain basement prices. What do y'all think about that?

Hawke Airmax 2-7X32 owners....

For those who own and use this scope, how easy is it for you to adjust the parallax on the front of the scope. Or should I say does the Adjustable objective turn easily?

The one I have is difficult to turn to the point of hurting my hand cranking on this thing. Are they all like this, or do I have a bad one?

Thinking of contacting Hawke to ask if I can send it in. Thanks.

GX CS4-I powersupply

I recently bought a GX CS4-I. When I plug it in, the power supply fan comes on even though the water pump switch hasn't been turned on and the air pump isn't running. Is this what it's supposed to do? For most power supplies I've worked with, the cooling fan doesn't come on until the PS starts getting hot.

Other than this possible issue, the pump works great.

Hope I made a good choice

I have a center point 6-20x50 scope on my Avenge x. I have not been very happy with it. I saw the Vector marksman 6-20x50 are on Halloween sale 40% off , plus 10% for new customer. So total of 50% off and free shipping.
I hope it's a good scope and I made a good buy. Lol
What do y'all think? Are they good scopes for the price?
I was looking at the discovery scopes, but being a disabled Firefighter on a fix income. Was trying to stay under the 200 mark. And at 145 to my door I did.
Here is where I got it.
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Stormrider vs Squirrel

I was out doing my duty clearing out the sparrows. Got 6 of them, and I was lining up another one when I noticed this poor bastard hopping around in the background.

I took an off hand shot about 40 yards while he had his head down below the grass. I honestly thought I'd miss and spook him, but he dropped and then did the flop dance over into the neighbor's yard lol.

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Pretty much a perfect shot. Went in just below the left ear and came out the right eye. AEA center punch 15.9 grain pellet doing 18 fpe.

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Traditional Rifle  NLA Bavaria BSF 55 Deluxe - $260 Shipped

Vintage Bavaria (Bayerische Sportwaffenfabrik) Model 55 Deluxe .177 caliber rifle for sale. The rifle is in good shape, functions well, and complete with the front sight hood. There is some minor rust freckling on a few spots of the metal work. The stock is solid with no cracks or splits but does have some handling marks. Asking $260 shipped.

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PCP Rifle  NLA A few nice airguns and other things

I have a few items that I don't use anymore and could sell. If prices are too low feel free to make a higher offer :)

Airguns
Daystate Renegade HP .22 in case with mag great shape . Not the regulated version but comes with Huuma regulator ready to be installed. $500 --- SOLD
Daystate Pulsar .22 action only in case with mag new conditions. Bought two of these a while ago from AoA but could only find a stock for one. $500 --- NLA
Daystate Airwolf .25 with xtreme Heliboard (not programmed yet), mag. Key lock is disabled. Decent shape. $600 --- SOLD
Fx Impact .25 Mk1 standard length, no upgrades with telescopic shroud, 3 mags, like new. $700 --- SOLD
Air Arms Galahad .22 short, mag. Shroud has surface damage from wrench and heat I think but works. Newer regulator $600

Random stuff
580cc carbon fiber tank M18x1.5 never used $120 --- SOLD
FX valve M18x1.5 used with brand new internals from AoA $25 --- SOLD
Edgun BAT moderator .22 for R5M/Lelya 2 light scratches but works $80 --- SOLD
Lane bottle regulator with long pot installed on Daystate Ranger for test then removed $80


Buyer pays for shipping. Paypal or Square accepted. I can post on gb but will add 10% to the price. PM for pics.

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Snowpeak  P35X Review

Recently found myself desiring a ‘powerful’ bullpup style .177. Looking around, I found I liked the look of the new P35X. Not too much info on this gun that isn’t limited to 12 fpe or translating. I am no stranger to the Snowpeak (and progeny) ‘barrel lottery.’ I just tell myself, fine, if it stinks I’ll re-barrel it. With the 65cc plenum and longer runway (~530 mm) I hoped to get 30 to 32 fpe. In artillery, barrels are sometimes listed as multiples of the caliber, making this a .177/118 where the .22 variant would be about .22/96. Why bring this up? Caliber relative to barrel length. My armchair calculations suggested that I could be getting around 30 fpe without a lot of pressure.

Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and springers were top shelf aspirations while MSPs were the norm, very strong performance in .177 was about 16 fpe. Even today springers exceeding 20 fpe in .177 are pretty uncommon. At the expected performance of about 30 fpe we’ll probably be looking for slugs in order to perform well. Maybe some of the super heavy (beyond 10.x gr) pellets will be alright. I did test JSB 10.3s for the first shots and they averaged just over 1050 fps, so yeah, heavier is likely a good idea.

The box arrived in good shape. The barrel needed the requisite cleaning, lots of crud in there. The wood grain is attractive on my example. I mounted a DNT ThermNight 225, a DonnyFL Yokozuna, and stuffed the foam from 3 foam hair curlers over the barrel in the shroud to slow the air coming back out the perforated shroud. It is stupidly quiet this way, the action is much louder to the ear than anything else in the shot cycle.

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Turns out I get 29.2 fpe with JSB Beasts (16.2 gr) with the factory settings. So we’re close to 30 fpe. Seems the reg is right around 1750 psi on my example, so performance headroom on the regulator is there. As has been reported with the P35, P15, and variants the hammer spring seems to runs out of adjustability before the regulator maxes out. Mine was set with about 1/2 turn left of increasing preload before bottoming out. Since I wanted to see some high fpe, I maxed the hammer and then backed off a tiny bit.

With the JSB KO 13.43 slugs I get right at 60 shots before it falls off the regulator. Velocity just gracefully falls as we drop below the regulator pressure. So 5 magazines before we need a refill.

Below is listed the projectile weight versus energy for pellets (average of 11 shots/1 magazine).

Weight Energy Projectile


10.3 24.63 FX Pellet


13.4 27.38 FX Pellet


15.42 27.99 Gamo G-Hammer


15.74 28.26 H&N Rabbit Magnum II


16.1 28.39 Seneca Domes


16.2 29.17 JSB Beast

The Seneca Domes were the most accurate with this tune, though the Beasts and Rabbit Magnum II were very acceptable.

Below is listed the projectile weight versus energy for slugs (average of 11 shots/1 magazine).

Weight Energy Projectile


13 27.03 Zan


13.43 26.73 JSB KO


15 25.78 NSA


16 27.14 H&N


16 27.72 Zan


18 26.13 Wildman


20 26.88 H&N


20 26.51 Zan

The JSB KOs shot very well. However, the H&N 20gr really shined. The first 4 shots all went through a barely enlarging hole and the following 7 whittled that hole a bit bigger except one shot that wandered just enough to oblong the hole - probably me. Shooting at 25 yards has me shooting sub-sub dime sized 11 shot groups for everything but the 15gr NSAs, it appears this barrel does not get along with those slugs, at least with this tune. In my experience with SPA barrels, they tend to like either the super-light or super-heavy stuff. Someday I’ll write up my experiences with my loveably schizophrenic Notos.
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In the graph you can clearly see the slug weight versus energy curve is significantly behind the pellets. I conclude from the chart that we’re best off if we have projectiles in the 16gr range. Sometime this winter I’ll open it up and see if I can get that 32fpe with 16gr at around 950.

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Oct. 31, 2024
A Washington man who killed hundreds of eagles and hawks in Montana that he later helped traffic and sell on the black market was sentenced to nearly four years in prison on Thursday, prosecutors said.
From 2015 to 2021, the man, Travis John Branson, 49, of Cusick, Wash., traveled to the Flathead Indian Reservation in western Montana to help kill hundreds of birds in a “killing spree,” the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Montana said. In addition to his sentence of three years and 10 months in federal prison, Mr. Branson was ordered to pay $777,250 in restitution, prosecutors said.
“Branson went on self-described ‘killing sprees’ for thousands of eagles and hawks,” Jesse Laslovich, the U.S. attorney for the District of Montana, said in a statement. Mr. Laslovich added that Mr. Branson “butchered” the birds “and sold the parts and feathers for profit on the black market.”
Mr. Branson, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy and trafficking charges in March, killed at least 118 eagles and 107 hawks himself, according to investigators who traced the killings to Mr. Branson through text messages. In total, Mr. Branson worked with others to kill about 3,600 birds, prosecutors said.



In December, prosecutors indicted Mr. Branson and a co-conspirator, Simon Paul, who at one point lived in St. Ignatius, Mont. The two worked together to shoot, traffic and sell hundreds of birds, according to court records. Mr. Paul was also charged with conspiracy and wildlife trafficking charges in December but was a fugitive as of Thursday, the U.S. attorney’s office said.
Court records quoted text messages and cited PayPal transactions that showed that Mr. Branson had sent photos and received text messages and payment for a golden eagle tail feather set.
“Got that thang from Simon,” a buyer texted Mr. Branson, referring to feathers Mr. Paul had sent. “And the mirror feathers. Tnks.”
In March 2021, law enforcement officers stopped Mr. Branson and recovered from his vehicle a golden eagle’s severed feet connected to long, obsidian black talons and feathers. Mr. Branson and Mr. Paul also killed deer to lure eagles to the area, court records said.


From 2009 until 2021, Mr. Branson made between $180,000 and $360,000 by selling eagles’ feathers and parts on the black market, prosecutors said. How much Mr. Branson sold between 2009 until 2015 was not immediately clear.

Andy Nelson, a lawyer for Mr. Branson, declined to comment on his client’s case on Friday. A lawyer for Mr. Paul did not immediately respond to an email requesting comment.
Bald eagles, which were among the birds Mr. Branson and others killed, are revered in the United States as a national symbol.
“We are going to feel the impacts of the Flathead Reservation’s raptor loss for years to come,” Mike Dolson, the chairman of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes, said in a statement. “Eagles are not only a treasured and important part of the Reservation’s ecosystem, but they also have a profound place in C.S.K.T. cultural and spiritual practices.”

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PCP Pistol  SOLD GK1, scope, ammo and accessories for sale

Letting go of my GK1 to to make room for other purchases. It likes shooting AEA ammo the best due to fitment.

Comes with :

2.5 tins of the 15.89gr 250ct
5ku skeleton folding buttstock
Eagle Vision 150mm dove to pic rail
Monstrum pic riser
Monstrum Panzer scope 1-10x24 FFP IR
3dHubenParts CNC extended rear pic adapter
3dhubenParts 3D rear pic adapter
Adaptivetactical skeleton grip
Brado3D handguard
Custom printed Moderator
Buck-Rail grip/rear pic adapter

Letting it all go for $1550, split shipping.

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Karma  Anyone seen this yet?

Other  One more advantage of slugs over pellets

One advantage Ive not seen brought up, nor have I realized until today, slugs are far more resistant to 73 IQ postal employees. This is not on TPS, as they always pack appropriately. I got my weekly ammo haul this afternoon, I ordered a couple boxes of zan slugs, couple of tins of HP slugs, 2 tins of 18.1 pellets. One JSB, ONE aea. The package was jammed tightly into my mailbox, and must've been sorted by silverbacks during a territorial challenge. Of 500 pellets, 58 out of 1 tin, and 101 out of the other were viable. Slugs, much more resistant to government "excellence". TPS please offer UPS shipping. Please.

Dealer return policy

I made an inquiry to a dealer regarding a PCP air rifle advertised. In reading the disclosures, I noticed a restriction against any air rifle return once out the door. In a follow-up email it was confirmed that this is indeed the dealer's policy, and stated as being an industry standard. I have not done business with this dealer, and I have no reason to doubt his integrity, but I found this unusual, or at least inconsistent with my experience with other dealers. I never want to be an unreasonable or problem customer, so I will not discuss it with him further. Which gets me to the point of this post. Maybe I'm just out of date, as I haven't bought an air rifle in a couple of years, but I've bought quite a few during the last 10+ years. During that period, I had three instances when I returned an air rifle, and the dealers had no issue with it. I will not make any further disclosures about this experience since, as I said, I have no reason to doubt the dealer's integrity or reputation, just wondering if my experience is inconsistent with other members here.

FX  My first time shooting 100 yards

So got a new panthera and worked on tuning it even though I can’t take the reg over 150 on a brand new gun cause of a bad prong seal…. Ended up staying at the following and shot the gun out to 100 yards today…. I’m a brand new shooter so I still have a lot to learn and techniques to learn but it is a lot of fun

Gun: FX panthera .22 700mm
Slugs: h&n precision .33gr
Speed 983 fps
Setting: reg 140 adjuster at 3

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FX  New panthera gun HELP!!!

Hey guys

Need some help I am setting up a brand new panthera and noticed when I adjust the regulator pressure to 150 or above it starts to leak and bleed air around the regulator adjustment….. where my finger is pointing…. From what I understand that isn’t normal but wanted to see if I’m missing something before I send this gun back to Utah airguns to be fixed it states doing this the second I shot it for the first time and adjusted the regulator pressure…. Any help would be awesome


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N/A  Shooting indoors

I'd like to be able to shoot indoors to mess around with tuning on rainy/cold days. I have this bullet catcher which I use outdoors: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MH44YS5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It works great as in there is no way a .22 pellet is getting through it but the problem is a bunch of lead pieces/dust collects in front and some behind it.

Do you guys have suggestions for a pellet catches that will just "swallow" pellets and leave nothing behind? In other words, something safe and with no mess.

Thank you!

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