And all in a great looking gun? That's exactly what Troy Hammer at Annihilator Airguns is getting with a 25 cal Kral Jumbo .
What if I told you you can get 60 FPE, 30 shots and 3/4" 100 yard group for $800
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Troy Hammer is THE MAN on the Kral platform. I am stoked that his capable hands are working on my Kral bull pup. I love the jumbo...maybe next year.
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I wasn't expecting those results and if I got 1-1/2" groups I would have been happy. Thanks guys.
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These are outstanding results in accuracy. power and shot count for any target/hunting gun.
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Certainly is impressive,,,half the money compared to similar high dollar guns.For anyone wanting a .25 and has a limited budget this rifle certainly is a contender.
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Not just for someone with limited budget. If you look at reviews on AEAC Steve has reviewed everything from a RAW, Crown, and other high end PCPs and he's never shot a smaller group at 100 yards than what the Kral shot. Granted, it was in an indoor range but it's still a great group.
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Hmmmm, what do you suppose the group would look like if it was shot with bullet / slug rather than diabolo pellets??
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I'm not sure. Most small bore air rifles have choked barrels and this seem to affect the way slugs perform in them. Me personally, I would not shoot slugs in a 25 cal unless it was a Sumatra or an Air Force gun. These seem to be the only guns with enough power without a ton of modifications to make it work. I'm not sure how slugs will do at long ranges. The Nilson (sp) slugs are made for air rifles and might do the trick, but I have not personally tried them. I contacted the maker and asked if he had a slug that worked well in a Sumatra and he didn't have one at the time. Sumatra barrels are not choked and they are larger than most air rifle barrels. If I needed something for large hogs or body shots on medium sized predators I would either do head shots or move up in calibers.
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Yeah agree with this, need some serious uumph to push slugs with the added weight AND added friction in the barrel people seem to gloss over. That said I wish we could get these beauties in Canada the Kral. And yeah back to back 3/4 inch groups are no fluke, laser beam type stuff there.
I wonder if JSB will make a King heavier, seems like they could add some material in the "waist" and get them to 38-39 grains keep the shape, add some BC and still keep the contact points in the barrel at the head and skirt of the pellet for lower resistance.
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Hmmmm, ok. Thanks for the thoughts. These two threads show good promise for the .22 slugs and that is what spurred my question.
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nielsen-specialty-ammo-review-22-cal-23-grain-hollow-point/ . This guy's is at about 28 FFP.
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nsa-slugs-triple-your-bc-at-what-cost/ This thread shows some decent groups. I may just have to try these on my Kral when it comes home.
If any of y'all get some real life results with the slugs, please post up about it.
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nielsen-specialty-ammo-review-22-cal-23-grain-hollow-point/ . This guy's is at about 28 FFP.
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nsa-slugs-triple-your-bc-at-what-cost/ This thread shows some decent groups. I may just have to try these on my Kral when it comes home.
If any of y'all get some real life results with the slugs, please post up about it.
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I know Nick Nielson makes swaged slugs specifically for air rifles. But he said he didn't have any for a Sumatra because he would have to have a special die made to accommodate the larger barrel. So I didn't pursue it. IMO pellets will serve just fine for small critters that most people use air guns to hunt. The higher BC would allow for longer shots but for the most part pellets are lethal enough. Now if I needed a 25 cal for larger critters I would want to use a PCP with enough power to get the job done on larger critters, hence, the use of my Sumatra. Slugs will allow people to have fewer guns to hunt a larger variety of critters though. But I was basing my opinion on my needs. Since I haven't hunted in a long time and have a 30 cal Hercules that gets over 100 FPE with pellets I didn't need a slug shooter.
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Maybe Troy Hammer will test the Nielson slugs with a Jumbo. It would be interesting to see how they perform in it.
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So far I've tried .250" and .245" sized swage Nielson ammo and no luck. The Kral is a choked barrel and I know it's harder to shoot slugs from choked barrels. Thinking a cast slug with lube grooves that have been sized might work but with 60fpe with the 34gr I haven't seen the need especially with the accuracy.
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The Kral-man has spoken. Thanks for saving us the time and money by sharing your experiences.
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Troy should be telling you not to expect 3/4 inch groups at 100 yards outdoors. Doing this outdoors in completely different than indoors.
Though he has greatly improved the Kral.........and I mean GREATLY.
This is not a realistic expectation. And one I think may come back to haunt him by those with unrealistic expectations.
Along with those lacking the skill set. I defy anyone, any tuner or builder/manufacturer to bring me a " Pellet gun" that will do 3/4 inch or less at 100 yards, consistently.
That said, Troy up there has GREATLY improved the Kral name, through his skill set, knowledge, hard work and diligence.
He has managed to turn a sub par gun into an exceptional shooter at what I consider a reasonable price. I would not be afraid to purchase his work as I believe it would be money well spent.
Though he has greatly improved the Kral.........and I mean GREATLY.
This is not a realistic expectation. And one I think may come back to haunt him by those with unrealistic expectations.
Along with those lacking the skill set. I defy anyone, any tuner or builder/manufacturer to bring me a " Pellet gun" that will do 3/4 inch or less at 100 yards, consistently.
That said, Troy up there has GREATLY improved the Kral name, through his skill set, knowledge, hard work and diligence.
He has managed to turn a sub par gun into an exceptional shooter at what I consider a reasonable price. I would not be afraid to purchase his work as I believe it would be money well spent.
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Troy how many shots per fill can one expect from this rifle shooting what pellet and what is the extreme spread for this shot group.....also how are the triggers?
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