What have I learned after buying a new Daystate Revere in .177??

[kingsqueak]

It’s a combo of the barrel, the pellet and the velocity. How many pellet designs have you tried and did you bracket them across multiple velocities?

Air vs high velocity powder is an entirely different world. The trajectory is more like a reduced arc similar to shooting a bow so you need to get the tune optimized for stability and consistency and then compensate by learning yardages at a more critical level.

The description sounds like a mismatch in the tune parameters, the pellet and/or the velocity for that barrel.

 

[elh0102]

Can you not turn the power up and use JSB monster RDs? That's what I use in my 177 and performance out to 70 yards is pretty impressive.

As a practical matter, no. These rifles are tuned for about as much power as they can generate, unless you go to measures that would greatly restrict shot count. And Daystate designs them to discourage owner tuning. It is a poor match for anything heavier than the 10 grain class. It's a 12 fpe rifle that has been pressed into service at a level never intended. That said, it's a great rifle, and I like my .22 version very much, but you have to like it at its modest power level. Just my opinion. 

 

[cea1960]

~20fpe .177? Have you tried the Mako slugs? My HW100 BP-K is a 17fpe gun and I was 1 shot killing ground squirrels from 40 to 73 yards with them. They're 10.5g. and cut the wind much better than a pellet.

 

[Long_Gun_Dallas]

Can you not turn the power up and use JSB monster RDs? That's what I use in my 177 and performance out to 70 yards is pretty impressive.

As a practical matter, no. These rifles are tuned for about as much power as they can generate, unless you go to measures that would greatly restrict shot count. And Daystate designs them to discourage owner tuning. It is a poor match for anything heavier than the 10 grain class. It's a 12 fpe rifle that has been pressed into service at a level never intended. That said, it's a great rifle, and I like my .22 version very much, but you have to like it at its modest power level. Just my opinion.

That's unfortunate. I really wanted one in .177

 

[Guest]

Silly

 

[uhfradarwill]

Daystates come from the factory tuned and that's it. Not much adjustment by the owner is intended. In .177 it's like popping a zit in the mirror vs stepping onto a M18 claymor with a .22. My mistake, and live and learn!!

Will

 

[L.Leon]

So are you unhappy with the rifle or the caliber? Would you like the Revere more if you had purchased a .22? 

 

[elh0102]

Daystates come from the factory tuned and that's it. Not much adjustment by the owner is intended. In .177 it's like popping a zit in the mirror vs stepping onto a M18 claymor with a .22. My mistake, and live and learn!!

Will

In spite of the the Revere's tuning limitations, I'm kind of surprised at your disappointment. Out to 40 yards or so, I see virtually no difference in the effectiveness of my .177 vs. .22. 

 

[rigbymauser]

The headline for this thread should have been:"why 30 ft/ibs in .22cal is better than 20 ft/ibs in .177"..



Back in the 70s 10 ft/ibs in 177cal was enough to pick the pigions down from the trees. Yes..some needed the extra shot but alot of them died too in one shot and some may died from the fall.

18 ft/ibs in .177cal is enough for small game out to 50yards. Ofcouse the .22cal does better with the heavier pellets and more momentum.

I had a Whiscombe jw80 in .177cal doing 23 ft/ibs with Logun 9,5grain penetrators. I made some spectacular kills at 65yards on crows, magpies etc. 

Give me an accurate 30 ft/ibs .177 airgun and the advantages of a .22cal in same power vanish taken pelletweights into a consideration ofcouse.

 

[Blackadder]

. 177 18gr slugs around 850 fps works for me

 

[elh0102]

. 177 18gr slugs around 850 fps works for me

Yes, but the OP was inquiring in regard to the Revere .177, and this is well beyond its capability without some custom work. I've never tried .177 slugs, but assuming it could be tuned to this power level, I wonder if some barrels and magazines would have trouble handling a slug of this dimension? 

 

[bandg]

I should have mentioned, I have a Revere in .22, and it's a great rifle. But I do an equal amount of squirrel killing with a .177 HW100, and I see no significant difference.

Same here, less the Revere part. I have a few .22 rifles and often use an M10, Gladius, or Condor in that caliber for squirrels but the .177 HW100 and LGU have taken lots of them and generally more quietly and a bit safer. As to the heart shots, I've seen head shots be a little off and not be a quick kill but I've seen the same with a good body shot. I still shoot for the head when possible.

With larger calibers than .177, I might agree. However, with .177 and low power ( ~12fpe) I have found that head shots are more likely to result in less than clean, DRT kills.

I am almost always shooting from a rest. All improvised, but still a rest. Also, I am shooting in my backyard where I know my distances and have the luxury of being able to use a rest for nearly ALL of my shots.

Larger calibers do allow more fudge room, but I believe too many people rely on a larger caliber to take care of their lack of accuracy/precision. While I am not the best shot, I work very hard on accuracy/precision so I can make the shots I do while pesting. That is also why most of my shots are taken with a 4.5-27 power scope set to 27 power, even at distances as close as ~13 yards if lighting conditions allow. That allows me to choose a particular spot on the body (or head) and not simply aim at the body or head in general.

Aim small, miss small.

This is what works for me and I have documented it as best I can on AGN with posts about my chipper kills. 

I used to be a head shot pester, but after a lot of trial and error, I have found the precise heart shot to be the most effective on the 3 smaller pests mentioned above.

P.S. The head/heart shot being the ultimate DRT kill shot when everything aligns perfectly.

Certainly one opinion. I haven't found it to be the case, however. "Aim small, miss small"-thus the head shot. Different strokes.

 

[elh0102]

Either is lethal and humane, just hit your target.

 

[uhfradarwill]

So are you unhappy with the rifle or the caliber? Would you like the Revere more if you had purchased a .22?

The caliber most definitely!! The Revere is a very nice rifle, I'm just not a sub 20 fpe kinda shooter I guess.

Will

 

[L.Leon]

So are you unhappy with the rifle or the caliber? Would you like the Revere more if you had purchased a .22?

The caliber most definitely!! The Revere is a very nice rifle, I'm just not a sub 20 fpe kinda shooter I guess.

Will

Thanks Will, I was leaning towards a.177 for my next rifle. But will stick with a .22

 

[intenseaty22]

Wish I could buy it from you on the spot right now. I have one in .177 12FPE and have been killing squirrels out to 35 yards with a single shot to the lungs almost daily. They die the minute they hit the ground!

I had an FX Wildcat in .177, max power around 27fpe or a bit more. Worst gun I ever had the displeasure of owning. Likely never to own another FX based on my personal experience.

Wind does affect me minimally, but inside of 40 yards that Revere could easily be the only AG I need. Did I mention it was an specked gun in Sub-12 fpe? 

 

[uhfradarwill]

Well Mr. intenseaty22 it's listed in the classified forum:

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-2-month-old-daystate-huntsman-revere-in-117-for-sale-or-trade-cash/

I've had a few inquiries on trades, but nothing has tickled my trading bone yet.

Will

 

[intenseaty22]

Well Mr. intenseaty22 it's listed in the classified forum:

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-2-month-old-daystate-huntsman-revere-in-117-for-sale-or-trade-cash/

I've had a few inquiries on trades, but nothing has tickled my trading bone yet.

Will

Indeed, I saw it much earlier. As I said above I wish I could, but I can’t. Good luck.