RTI RTI Mora, "Come On Man!"

[igolfat8]

The hammer is not automatic. P3 user manual says how to adjust it. I just read it.
If it was automatic they wouldnt put a wheel for adjustments.

Not bad. Looking for a compact gun, it's betwen Mora and the Ghost.

Does Mora have a wheel to adjust the hammer?

You asked about the Mora and not the P3.

 

[Liontracks]

The ghost is nice,got it the first time I when to AoA. Same hole at 50 yards

Ghost is 6.8 lbs, Mora compact is 9 lbs.
That's very heavy for a compact.

 

[Liontracks]

You asked about the Mora and not the P3.

My bad. So Mora's hammer is automatic

 

[JoePolanco]

I’m all about the science and ballistics also. I’d like to hear your explanation of why the .25 is superior to the .30?
From a ballistics (physics) standpoint, IMHO, the .30 AEA 50.5 are a better choice than the AEA 29.5. I’m getting routinely about 0.072 GA with the .30 and about 0.060 GA with the .25. (BC)
Perhaps accuracy and precision are your deciding factors? Shooting .30 does have advantages such as being able to track the pellet flight better, and also to see the holes better in the target. Additionally, with a very slow twist .30 barrel such as 1:40, the “vertical jump” is less in quartering winds (it’s physics).

Where BC is considered, I'm getting 0.071 with that AEA 29.5s across a 10 fps range from 970- 980 fps which is better than anything I've experienced in .30 cal. You obviously have found a similar node for the 50 grain.

Visually tracking the pellet in flight is not something I concern myself with in real time. I use video to analyze pellet flight when looking at a specific pellets characteristics. As the pellet and barrel designs have improved of late, I find less need to shoot highspeed videos because many of the mysteries of the past designs have thankfully disappeared.

I've not had the opportunity to shoot anything with a slower than 1/24 twist and none of what I have seen have I found particularly convincing. Clearly the evolution of the PCP field is leaning heavily towards slugs which as a by product has benefitted those of us whose interests lie primarily in the pellet world.

Lastly you mentioned "jump" deflection and how the .30 at the slower twist is less susceptible. That would then logically apply across the board in an apples to apples pellet design meaning that the inherently superior BC of the smaller projectile would still hold sway would it not?

 

[manabeknives]

I like the calculations for the STD DEV for the BC. I thought G1 was to use when shooting slugs, not pellets?

 

[Centercut]

I like the calculations for the STD DEV for the BC. I thought G1 was to use when shooting slugs, not pellets?

Yes, pellets are GA, and his true BC would be somewhat lower than the G1.

 

[Centercut]

Where BC is considered, I'm getting 0.071 with that AEA 29.5s across a 10 fps range from 970- 980 fps which is better than anything I've experienced in .30 cal. You obviously have found a similar node for the 50 grain.

Visually tracking the pellet in flight is not something I concern myself with in real time. I use video to analyze pellet flight when looking at a specific pellets characteristics. As the pellet and barrel designs have improved of late, I find less need to shoot highspeed videos because many of the mysteries of the past designs have thankfully disappeared.

I've not had the opportunity to shoot anything with a slower than 1/24 twist and none of what I have seen have I found particularly convincing. Clearly the evolution of the PCP field is leaning heavily towards slugs which as a by product has benefitted those of us whose interests lie primarily in the pellet world.

Lastly you mentioned "jump" deflection and how the .30 at the slower twist is less susceptible. That would then logically apply across the board in an apples to apples pellet design meaning that the inherently superior BC of the smaller projectile would still hold sway would it not?

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Thanks for the input. I still haven’t heard a reason that the .25 is “inherently superior” as you seem to repeat? I’m all ears, and interested in your reasoning.
As far as vertical jump, you are correct with equivalent spin rates. However, the .30 caliber pellets fly true at the lower rates than do the .25 caliber.
When shooting outdoors in real world conditions with shifting variable wind, in my experience the .30 gives better more stable and predictable flight. At RMAC I’m not sure any of the finalists shot other than .30 caliber?
PS., your scores in the ASA match shot during RMAC were impressive. Great shooting!

 

[JoePolanco]

Thanks for the input. I still haven’t heard a reason that the .25 is “inherently superior” as you seem to repeat?

BC is affected by a huge number of variables. Cut those down as much as possible and the over riding factors become density, diameter and lenght. Minimizing the force necessary to minimize the rest of those factors is another key component. Therefore it stands to reason that the smaller the projectile, the higher it's BC will be in any conditions.

As far as vertical jump, you are correct with equivalent spin rates. However, the .30 caliber pellets fly true at the lower rates than do the .25 caliber.

IDK enough and haven't tested enough .30s to say anything worth hearing on this, but I'm curious to hear what you mean by "true".

At RMAC I’m not sure any of the finalists shot other than .30 caliber?

That's because I wasn't there ...lol