it'd be worth it.OK i will talk to my friend in the HW engineering Dept. to build a custom one of a kind and you can buy it for me . (i will even pay shipping and tariff charges
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Other Break Barrel VS. Underlever
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Unless improperly adjusted I don't think a 30 would be any more accurate as a fixed barrel. All three of my 30's (one's my wife's) are more accurate than my new to me 77. So far. If your 30's accuracy is off due to the pivot system (unlikely but possible) it just needs some talented tweaking. My 30's shoot as good or darn close to it as my two best Weihrauchs (95 & 97) out to thirty yards. Past that long flight times and or lighter pellets are mor susceptible to environmental influences. There's nothing inherently wrong with the design. Well other than the initial galling which has no bearing on accuracy.
The 99% of the advantage underlevers have in accuracy is their inherent extra weight. It dampens the effects of recoil on accuracy. Weigh down a break barrel and see the accuracy increase. Oh wait that's called a HW98. Instead of adding weight many people basically accomplish the same thing by decreasing power. Its hard to picture taking power out of a hw30 but you could lead plug the stock.
My experience has been that the barrel itself is the biggest factor in accuracy on these guns. Out of 13 Weihrachs I own in three calibers and the dozens I've had pass through my hands I've had good and bad barrels in all three calibers. My 177 95 is probably my most accurate with my 177 97 a close second. Don't get me wrong he 97 is easier to shoot accurately but the 95 will best it if I'm having a good day. I had two sequentially numbered 177 Hw77K SEs that had bad barrels that wouldn't group under 3/4" at 10 yards. My 30's are one hole at 10 yards and average 1/2" at 25
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At that point just grab an old FWB 300S Jr. and install an ARH Arctic spring. You won't be sorry.
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Ron, all of your points are hitting home with me. The 30 is one of my favorites (I own two plus an R7 .20 that’s my go to gun), plus a couple 95s and 50s. I guess I got caught up in the novelty of the 57, but I believe you’re right in that they are hit or miss (mostly miss).
Thanks for the reply and your wisdom.
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I'm glad you found my points helpful. I've long toyed with getting a 57 myself because I think it's a cool looking novelty, but every time I look into it, the reviews are the same and I change my mind. A break barrel (Weihrauch) isn't a disadvantage in anyway if its adjusted properly and maintained. They are far more accurate than most people including myself can ever be.
I don't know what a 57 weighs in real life but it can't be any lighter than a 50 which is comparably powered and I think sized. I've never held a 57. The 50 you already have will do everything a 57 will and probably better.
I have three 30s. Actually four. I have a brand new one in a box to keep for stock. I have four 95 family guns in three calibers but only one 50. I'm currently looking for another 177 50 because they are so comfortably sized and perfectly balanced. At least they are for me. Anyway I just didn't want to see you buy an expensive and be disappointed.
Be well
Ron.
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I did not actually weigh them just picked up to compare. The 57 is lighter than a 35n and about the same as a 30, I do not have a 50 to compare there.
Here is a comparison of some specs from the old yellow forum a few years back
"Chrony numbers: both in .177...
HW50S HW57
CPL: 758 FPS 795 FPS
FTS: 745 FPS 757 FPS
JSB: 760 FPS 785 FPS
Some folks have reported loading tap misallignment problems with the HW57 although both of mine (.177 & .22) have been working flawlessly...the HW 57 is easier to cock being an underlever...a lot of tuners work with the HW50S so possibilities are almost endless...accuracy is about the same for both...just gotta find the pellet each rifle likes..but...they are really two different animals...if I had to have just one of the two, I'd pick the HW50S..."
It looks like the 57had a slight velocity advantge, although I would like to see some other numbers comparing the two.
Here is a comparison of some specs from the old yellow forum a few years back
"Chrony numbers: both in .177...
HW50S HW57
CPL: 758 FPS 795 FPS
FTS: 745 FPS 757 FPS
JSB: 760 FPS 785 FPS
Some folks have reported loading tap misallignment problems with the HW57 although both of mine (.177 & .22) have been working flawlessly...the HW 57 is easier to cock being an underlever...a lot of tuners work with the HW50S so possibilities are almost endless...accuracy is about the same for both...just gotta find the pellet each rifle likes..but...they are really two different animals...if I had to have just one of the two, I'd pick the HW50S..."
It looks like the 57had a slight velocity advantge, although I would like to see some other numbers comparing the two.
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I'm thinking the 57 and the 50 are same swept volume. Both are 26mm pistons and the kits are interchangeable. They're both approximately 12 fpe guns. You can have two of the same guns set up the same way and one will out perform the other. My 50 currently shoots JSB 8.44 exacts 785-800.
BTW a hw35 is a tank. It's two pounds heavier on a scale than a 50. The 57 being lighter than a 35 isn't saying much. The bigger and more powerful Hw95 is noticeably lighter than a 35. I doubt the 57 weighs the same as a 30. A good shipping scale will tell the truth because published weights are often wrong. None of this matters if your happy with your 57s. I'm happy that you are. What size groups do they shoot at 25 yards?
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