Other Break Barrel VS. Underlever

[Mycapt65]

OK i will talk to my friend in the HW engineering Dept. to build a custom one of a kind and you can buy it for me . (i will even pay shipping and tariff charges

it'd be worth it.

 

[KWK]

That and it would greatly increase the weight unless they went with the problematic Hw57 loading system. There's other tap loading systems that work better but Weihrauch's not gonna invest in a completey new design when the age of high end piston guns is fast closing. Especially one that would have a very limited appeal. Heck what was Weihrauch's last all new design? The Hw90?

It's nice to dream but it's not gonna happen. I worked a long time for Mercedes and BMW and I'm quite familiar with German manufacturing philosophy. If they make an underlever equivalent of an Hw30, I'll buy one for you.

Gamo ditched their short lived pop up tap cf20 for a reason 30 years ago

 

[Mycapt65]

the 30 is super accurate. In the underlever form, it would be supremely accurate.

Unless improperly adjusted I don't think a 30 would be any more accurate as a fixed barrel. All three of my 30's (one's my wife's) are more accurate than my new to me 77. So far. If your 30's accuracy is off due to the pivot system (unlikely but possible) it just needs some talented tweaking. My 30's shoot as good or darn close to it as my two best Weihrauchs (95 & 97) out to thirty yards. Past that long flight times and or lighter pellets are mor susceptible to environmental influences. There's nothing inherently wrong with the design. Well other than the initial galling which has no bearing on accuracy.

The 99% of the advantage underlevers have in accuracy is their inherent extra weight. It dampens the effects of recoil on accuracy. Weigh down a break barrel and see the accuracy increase. Oh wait that's called a HW98. Instead of adding weight many people basically accomplish the same thing by decreasing power. Its hard to picture taking power out of a hw30 but you could lead plug the stock.

My experience has been that the barrel itself is the biggest factor in accuracy on these guns. Out of 13 Weihrachs I own in three calibers and the dozens I've had pass through my hands I've had good and bad barrels in all three calibers. My 177 95 is probably my most accurate with my 177 97 a close second. Don't get me wrong he 97 is easier to shoot accurately but the 95 will best it if I'm having a good day. I had two sequentially numbered 177 Hw77K SEs that had bad barrels that wouldn't group under 3/4" at 10 yards. My 30's are one hole at 10 yards and average 1/2" at 25

 

[Mycapt65]

Gamo ditched their short lived pop up tap cf20 for a reason 30 years ago

my shop is going up soon I'll need to talk with you about machines when you get some time

 

[jkingrph]

Thanks for the response. I have been interested in the 57 as a “light” field gun. All of my underlevers are so heavy to carry around after a lifetime of shoulder injuries from motorcycle accidents. Even my D430 gets to be burdensome after an hour or so. If the new 57s keep up their reputation as accurate and reliable I’ll probably place an order with Krale. Take care!

The 57 is definetly a light field gun.

 

[jlharden]

I wrote to HW and recommended they build an under lever version of HW30. I really like mine a lot but an under lever would be the icing on the cake ever though it would be a little heavier.

At that point just grab an old FWB 300S Jr. and install an ARH Arctic spring. You won't be sorry.

 

[BordertownDevil]

57s have a very checkered accuracy track record. The pop up breech seems to be unreliable. A HW57 probably has the worst accuracy record of any Weihrauch. Including all their break barrels. Its what's kept me from buying one. I've always loved the gun conceptually but its got too many people with problems for me to buy one.

With shoulder injuries unless you need power for hunting or shoot over 30 yards an Hw30 is a great rifle. Easy to cock and deadly accurately. Theres millions of happy Hw30 customers out there. I'd roll those odds first, if I were you. I'll take any of my three Hw30s or any other Weihrauch i own against any HW57.

Sorry if I seem harsh. I feel you may make an expensive mistake here. You can message me here for my phone number if you'd like to talk about this in great detail.

Be well
Ron

Ron, all of your points are hitting home with me. The 30 is one of my favorites (I own two plus an R7 .20 that’s my go to gun), plus a couple 95s and 50s. I guess I got caught up in the novelty of the 57, but I believe you’re right in that they are hit or miss (mostly miss).

Thanks for the reply and your wisdom.

 

[Mycapt65]

Ron, all of your points are hitting home with me. The 30 is one of my favorites (I own two plus an R7 .20 that’s my go to gun), plus a couple 95s and 50s. I guess I got caught up in the novelty of the 57, but I believe you’re right in that they are hit or miss (mostly miss).

Thanks for the reply and your wisdom.

I'm glad you found my points helpful. I've long toyed with getting a 57 myself because I think it's a cool looking novelty, but every time I look into it, the reviews are the same and I change my mind. A break barrel (Weihrauch) isn't a disadvantage in anyway if its adjusted properly and maintained. They are far more accurate than most people including myself can ever be.

I don't know what a 57 weighs in real life but it can't be any lighter than a 50 which is comparably powered and I think sized. I've never held a 57. The 50 you already have will do everything a 57 will and probably better.

I have three 30s. Actually four. I have a brand new one in a box to keep for stock. I have four 95 family guns in three calibers but only one 50. I'm currently looking for another 177 50 because they are so comfortably sized and perfectly balanced. At least they are for me. Anyway I just didn't want to see you buy an expensive and be disappointed.

Be well
Ron.