Daystate Blackwolf owners discussion

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Csbrown5 said:
cavedweller rigbymauser
You pay a premium price for a gun, you should not have to buy a barrel to get it to shoot better. I ordered a 25 caliber 28” barrel the day I bought the BW. I have talked to a couple of people and they say that the barrel we will get will be a Submoa barrel
They put videos out saying how well this gun is so easy to interchange barrels and there’s nothing available for a year. This is unbelievable. They did the same thing with the Delta wolf and Alpha wolf you could not buy barrel then they came out . I am glad that they didn’t have the barrels now the barrels are not worth the money. All I can say is I hope that when I get my gun back I hope it shoots right.
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i totally agree.... if you bought it from AOA or other, the Daystate has a 5 year warranty and they will make it right or refund you. Did you buy a barrel specific for slugs or pellets? remember your warranty... if unhappy insist on a refund.
 
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Archdesigner03 said:
I didn't know you can order a sub MOA barrel, how much did that cost? Is it a custom made order or it's something AOA plans to carry in the future? I noticed barrel harmonics is definitely at play here, at least for my BW. Without a moderator, it shoots best at 880 fps with 25 grain with AEA and JTS pellets. Anything faster the group opens up. I bought a 0dB Advantage Target Pro Kit to play with and was able to get good accuracy up to 920 fps. The group opens up if going faster than 920 fps with the 0dB Advantage Target Pro Kit. Daystate only states in their marketing that BW comes with LW barrel, not "match grade LW barrel", which is rather disappointing considering the cost of the gun.
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Well not so fast... Although on the list for a 23" .25 barrel, they couldn't quote me a price or delivery date... apparently sub MOA is so busy they hop from one project to the next....
 
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I started a project with my 30 caliber Daystate I was able to put different caliber barrels on the gun it has taken 3 years to get the barrels and probes. Add a helliboard to this gun and was able to use the different power level for each barrel to shot slugs & pellets.
I was hoping to do the same with the BW

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Archdesigner03 said:
I didn't know you can order a sub MOA barrel, how much did that cost? Is it a custom made order or it's something AOA plans to carry in the future? I noticed barrel harmonics is definitely at play here, at least for my BW. Without a moderator, it shoots best at 880 fps with 25 grain with AEA and JTS pellets. Anything faster the group opens up. I bought a 0dB Advantage Target Pro Kit to play with and was able to get good accuracy up to 920 fps. The group opens up if going faster than 920 fps with the 0dB Advantage Target Pro Kit. Daystate only states in their marketing that BW comes with LW barrel, not "match grade LW barrel", which is rather disappointing considering the cost of the gun.
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pretty much a thing with diablo pellets = meaning they fly best between 880 and low 900 fps. any gun i have that is tuneable that i increase a diablo pellet speed beyond 908 fps my groups suffer. I am no ballistics guy, just an end user.
 
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Archdesigner03 said:
I didn't know you can order a sub MOA barrel, how much did that cost? Is it a custom made order or it's something AOA plans to carry in the future? I noticed barrel harmonics is definitely at play here, at least for my BW. Without a moderator, it shoots best at 880 fps with 25 grain with AEA and JTS pellets. Anything faster the group opens up. I bought a 0dB Advantage Target Pro Kit to play with and was able to get good accuracy up to 920 fps. The group opens up if going faster than 920 fps with the 0dB Advantage Target Pro Kit. Daystate only states in their marketing that BW comes with LW barrel, not "match grade LW barrel", which is rather disappointing considering the cost of the gun.
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I was told by AOA that barrel with shroud and probe would run around $860 they said aftermarket barrels I take it’s not coming from Daystate
 
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A common denominator among unhappy DS owners is their lack on interest in american client's wants. Very expensive for what they are; unreliable performance at times, lack of peformance, poor availability of parts and even lack of knowledge of advertised products by their US representatives. It is like talking to a car dealer that is not familiarized with the brand and model !

IMHO FX is winning by default!
 
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LFCM said:
A common denominator among unhappy DS owners is their lack on interest in american client's wants. Very expensive for what they are; unreliable performance at times, lack of peformance, poor availability of parts and even lack of knowledge of advertised products by their US representatives. It is like talking to a car dealer that is not familiarized with the brand and model !

IMHO FX is winning by default!
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Funny that you said that I have been going round and round with Fx or you could say UA both of them, I have a Fx true ballistics choreograph, I would shoot a 5 shot group and the FPE would show 82 FPE and when I save it, it said 65 FPE they said delete the app and start over, on my phone all it would do is let me reinstall it from the cloud, I finally got it to do a new install and everything is working fine now.
They said that they have never had this problem, it was the app that gave me the problem. I am going to test it again tomorrow to verify that it is corrected and let them know.
 
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cavedweller said:
pretty much a thing with diablo pellets = meaning they fly best between 880 and low 900 fps. any gun i have that is tuneable that i increase a diablo pellet speed beyond 908 fps my groups suffer. I am no ballistics guy, just an end user.
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I just got off the phone with AoA. Those guys are great to deal with! I ordered a spring kit (and an entire seal kit) so I can experiment with backing mine down after I check the breech o-ring and ensure the barrel is installed correctly. It won't go slower than 935 fps with 25g with the blue spring and reg showing 115-120b. I also ordered some Grands in 28g just for giggles.
 
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