1st Post, New Here

[Ratzy]

I second the Tuxing twin available at Wally world with a protection plan , and use Seco lube 500 compressor oil.
Model TXED012. If you want to learn about the the best top notch airguns look up " The $2000 Dollar Gun " It's very informative , and a good read. OV

I prefer the TXEDM042 with the dual filters and autostop.

As the local air gun heretic I don't belive any air gun is worth more than $1,500 new. Too many guns under $1,000 that shoot more than adequately for 90% of the owners. Everything else is esthetics, ergonomics or just a status symbol.

With the exception of competition shooters, then buy what you think will win.

Unless you are Ron Robinson then you can win with a straw and a pea.

 

[Ratzy]

I prefer the TXEDM042 with the dual filters and autostop.

As the local air gun heretic I don't belive any air gun is worth more than $1,500 new. Too many guns under $1,000 that shoot more than adequately for 90% of the owners. Everything else is esthetics, ergonomics or just a status symbol.

With the exception of competition shooters, then buy what you think will win.

Unless you are Ron Robinson then you can win with a straw and a pea.

I do own guns that retailed pretty high, but i bought them used. Most recently a lovely HM1000x .25. More accurate than most of my other guns, but 1/4 inch at 45 yards isnt worth paying $2300 new.

 

[maxtrouble]

Any thoughts on Air Force? I saw Utah Airguns has a Talon P on sale for less than $300! I am researching it against the rest of the herd. I am concerned it will be too loud even with a moderator for night time target neutralization. Plus, the Talon does not appear to be regulated. I’ll give it GP’s for made in USA with lifetime warranty.

*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.

 

[Mayhemlv]

*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.

That is great info. Besides buying one and finding out firsthand, I don’t know how else I would’ve learned that, so thank you!

 

[Ratzy]

*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.

So easy to regulate AirForce guns. Either valves with integrated tophat or universal regulators that use the existing tophat.

Add in a plenum, either inline or integrated with the regulator and either power goes way up or shot count goes way up.

Then there are adapters that can allow you to utilize bottles as large as 1.1L.

That is the AF utility platform strength. You can literally take a stock .177 talon and convert it to a .25 70FPE (or more) hunter in less than 30 minutes using 2 Allen wrenches to remove 5 or 6 Allen screws.

Heavy Spring
Heavy Hammer
24" barrel
Regulator with 50cc plenum
High flow tophat
Angled adapter
1.1L CF bottle

 

[Ratzy]

So easy to regulate AirForce guns. Either valves with integrated tophat or universal regulators that use the existing tophat.

Add in a plenum, either inline or integrated with the regulator and either power goes way up or shot count goes way up.

Then there are adapters that can allow you to utilize bottles as large as 1.1L.

That is the AF utility platform strength. You can literally take a stock .177 talon and convert it to a .25 70FPE (or more) hunter in less than 30 minutes using 2 Allen wrenches to remove 5 or 6 Allen screws.

Heavy Spring
Heavy Hammer
24" barrel
Regulator with 50cc plenum
High flow tophat
Angled adapter
1.1L CF bottle

About plenums, AF guns and their copycats LOVE them some plenum.

The air is a straight shot from the bottle to the pellet. Just the tophat to control the volume.

The objective is to provide air under pressure to the pellet for the length of the barrel.

To do that you either go unregulated with a high flow valve or regulated with a high flow valve and a plenum of the optimal size.

Optimal is 3-4x the barrel volume. A .25 24" barrel is 19.6cc. So a plenum 60-80cc is optimal. Huben Power makes a regulator with 50cc plenum.

Poppet style guns get less from a plenum than tophat style. Too many variables
Poppet dwell
Poppet size
Hammer spring and adjustment.
Transfer port size
90⁰ turns
And a few more.

 

[OldVet]

I do own guns that retailed pretty high, but i bought them used. Most recently a lovely HM1000x .25. More accurate than most of my other guns, but 1/4 inch at 45 yards isnt worth paying $2300 new.

The 012 has auto stop I already had 3 filters not as good as those big ones , but they do work.