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OldVet said:
I second the Tuxing twin available at Wally world with a protection plan , and use Seco lube 500 compressor oil.
Model TXED012. If you want to learn about the the best top notch airguns look up " The $2000 Dollar Gun " It's very informative , and a good read. OV
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I prefer the TXEDM042 with the dual filters and autostop.

As the local air gun heretic I don't belive any air gun is worth more than $1,500 new. Too many guns under $1,000 that shoot more than adequately for 90% of the owners. Everything else is esthetics, ergonomics or just a status symbol.

With the exception of competition shooters, then buy what you think will win.

Unless you are Ron Robinson then you can win with a straw and a pea.
 
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Ratzy said:
I prefer the TXEDM042 with the dual filters and autostop.

As the local air gun heretic I don't belive any air gun is worth more than $1,500 new. Too many guns under $1,000 that shoot more than adequately for 90% of the owners. Everything else is esthetics, ergonomics or just a status symbol.

With the exception of competition shooters, then buy what you think will win.

Unless you are Ron Robinson then you can win with a straw and a pea.
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I do own guns that retailed pretty high, but i bought them used. Most recently a lovely HM1000x .25. More accurate than most of my other guns, but 1/4 inch at 45 yards isnt worth paying $2300 new.
 
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Mayhemlv said:
Any thoughts on Air Force? I saw Utah Airguns has a Talon P on sale for less than $300! I am researching it against the rest of the herd. I am concerned it will be too loud even with a moderator for night time target neutralization. Plus, the Talon does not appear to be regulated. I’ll give it GP’s for made in USA with lifetime warranty.
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*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.
 
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maxtrouble said:
*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.
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That is great info. Besides buying one and finding out firsthand, I don’t know how else I would’ve learned that, so thank you!
 
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maxtrouble said:
*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.
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So easy to regulate AirForce guns. Either valves with integrated tophat or universal regulators that use the existing tophat.

Add in a plenum, either inline or integrated with the regulator and either power goes way up or shot count goes way up.

Then there are adapters that can allow you to utilize bottles as large as 1.1L.

That is the AF utility platform strength. You can literally take a stock .177 talon and convert it to a .25 70FPE (or more) hunter in less than 30 minutes using 2 Allen wrenches to remove 5 or 6 Allen screws.

Heavy Spring
Heavy Hammer
24" barrel
Regulator with 50cc plenum
High flow tophat
Angled adapter
1.1L CF bottle
 
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Ratzy said:
So easy to regulate AirForce guns. Either valves with integrated tophat or universal regulators that use the existing tophat.

Add in a plenum, either inline or integrated with the regulator and either power goes way up or shot count goes way up.

Then there are adapters that can allow you to utilize bottles as large as 1.1L.

That is the AF utility platform strength. You can literally take a stock .177 talon and convert it to a .25 70FPE (or more) hunter in less than 30 minutes using 2 Allen wrenches to remove 5 or 6 Allen screws.

Heavy Spring
Heavy Hammer
24" barrel
Regulator with 50cc plenum
High flow tophat
Angled adapter
1.1L CF bottle
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About plenums, AF guns and their copycats LOVE them some plenum.

The air is a straight shot from the bottle to the pellet. Just the tophat to control the volume.

The objective is to provide air under pressure to the pellet for the length of the barrel.

To do that you either go unregulated with a high flow valve or regulated with a high flow valve and a plenum of the optimal size.

Optimal is 3-4x the barrel volume. A .25 24" barrel is 19.6cc. So a plenum 60-80cc is optimal. Huben Power makes a regulator with 50cc plenum.

Poppet style guns get less from a plenum than tophat style. Too many variables
Poppet dwell
Poppet size
Hammer spring and adjustment.
Transfer port size
90⁰ turns
And a few more.
 
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maxtrouble said:
I suggest looking at the Umarex Notos. It ticks a lot of boxes and has quite a few fans here at AGN. This would get you down the rabbit hole and keep you under $1000.

A good hand pump or small compressor can be used to fill the Notos, same as the Jet.

The BRK line also has some nice carbines but they get pricey very quickly.

www.pyramydair.com

Umarex Notos | PCP Carbine Air Rifle | Pyramyd AIR

The Umarex Notos is a lightweight pcp carbine air rifle that gets 700 fps/13 fpe and can be used for small game hunting.
www.pyramydair.com

.22 caliber is the way to go. .22 is probably the most common caliber for airguns. Weights go from 11 grains all the way 34 grains.

I recommend purchasing good pellets, JSB / AA / FX are all made in the same factory. Find the magic pellet and then stock up on them.

Youtube is your friend, watch some videos before you make any purchases!

Have fun!
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DON'T ASK YOUTUBE TO FIND YOU THE RIGHT PELLET!!! Every single gun shoots different, someone shooting H&N 21gr slugs might get better groups than the person next to him with the same model of gun, it has to do with a variety of factors, from barrel twist, velocity, transfer port, hammer spring, and the regulator. Every pellet has an "optimal velocity", if the round travels above or below this the vibrations in the barrel will be off and your pellet will become unstable. But, a pellet that shoots good out of all but one of the guns I have shot, are the JSB 18.13 round nose pellets. If you ask me, I'd tell you to get the Zelos, you can't really go wrong with the gun. Think of it, on one fill, you can send 40 rounds downrange in a short amount of time, and still have another mag as backup (it will fall off regulator after the 15th round or so, but you will still get good enough groups.
 
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Ratzy said:
I am a big fan of AirForce utility platform. Simple, robust, 4 o'rings, easy to upgrade.

That said I only have Condor and Talon. But the Talon P is just a shortened version.

Single shot, I originally avoided the utility platform because of that. Then a .22 TalonSS fell in my lap for $100. Fixed the oring in the tophat and started plinking away.

Then $500 later it was a 50FPE .22.

So, i picked up a CondorSS and TalonSS upgraded them to 24" .25 regulated 70FPE guns.

Oh, I add plenums too.
My modified versions with 1.1L bottles.

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That's a fat little bottle. How many shots now.?
 
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