Brocock/BRK Ghost Barrel Woes
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Shot this today with a 177 -700 mm brk slug barrel after a good cleaning trying to get it seasoned in again
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It was harder before i polished it. Not bad now and you can shoot more before it needs cleaned. That pic is straight from the tin too. Shot a eft match couple weeks ago shooting straight from the tin scored 77 out of 80
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I respect the right of all airgunners to shoot the brand of pellet they like. But I do not think the very high opinion some have of JSB pellets is anything but prejudice. Arguing about the lead alloy without any real analysis is close to silly. How do you know that the alloy is different? What tests can you point to? I shoot whatever pellet one of my guns likes the best. Sometimes that is a JSB made pellet. FX or JSB. But many times it is a H&N or, recently, AEA. AEA switched designs without any notice which is not very nice but the newer design seems to shoot fine with a small retune.
But blaming the need for frequent cleaning on a brand of pellets you do not like without evidence is just not right. My Bullshark seems to need cleaned more to do it's best but I cannot trace that to a particular brand of pellets although it seems to shoot AEAs the best. JSBs shoot well in it, however, and even cheap old Crosman domed shoot good enough to be useful for some purposes. I can switch between FX and AEAs without apparent accuracy degredation.
If somebody has done a controlled experiment to justify their negative view of AEA pellets please provide the evidence and if it seems reasonable I will shut up and apologize. I have measured JSBs and AEAs for weight consistency and head size consistency. JSBs are particularly bad on weight consistency as has been noted in reviews. AEAs are also better in head size consistency in my opinion. I believe they are better made pellets. But they do not shoot the best in all my guns. I don't think there is a perfect pellet and I am very sure that JSB made pellets are not perfect. They are good but so are others.
But blaming the need for frequent cleaning on a brand of pellets you do not like without evidence is just not right. My Bullshark seems to need cleaned more to do it's best but I cannot trace that to a particular brand of pellets although it seems to shoot AEAs the best. JSBs shoot well in it, however, and even cheap old Crosman domed shoot good enough to be useful for some purposes. I can switch between FX and AEAs without apparent accuracy degredation.
If somebody has done a controlled experiment to justify their negative view of AEA pellets please provide the evidence and if it seems reasonable I will shut up and apologize. I have measured JSBs and AEAs for weight consistency and head size consistency. JSBs are particularly bad on weight consistency as has been noted in reviews. AEAs are also better in head size consistency in my opinion. I believe they are better made pellets. But they do not shoot the best in all my guns. I don't think there is a perfect pellet and I am very sure that JSB made pellets are not perfect. They are good but so are others.
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Well im not trying to bash any pellet though what you said about jsb is true ( poor quality control) and as for aea many people have noted through use of more frequent cleaning being necessary. I have a bore scope and have noted the lead builds up especially on the choke which is less after polishing which is why im encouraging some or these guys shooting aea to polish their barrels as it has been good for me
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My rifle has done this with JSB’s as I bought 5 tins of the Mk2 33.95 with it. I just thought it didn’t like them, so I bought the AEA’s. They do foul sooner but are more accurate for sure.
My supplies should be in tomorrow, I should have answers before this weekend, depends on the hurricanes. I will shoot the JSB first and see how many shots before it starts stringing/fliers.
My supplies should be in tomorrow, I should have answers before this weekend, depends on the hurricanes. I will shoot the JSB first and see how many shots before it starts stringing/fliers.
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Just reading about the pyramyd cup and they had this about aea
When it comes to ammo, AEA led the way with 91 shooters (57%) running their pellets. Just shy of 30% were running JSB/FX pellets with 47 shooters. It is incredible to see how AEA has taken hold within this event. And while I don’t have the exact number since not everyone enters their caliber for their equipment, .30 caliber is still the dominant choice
When it comes to ammo, AEA led the way with 91 shooters (57%) running their pellets. Just shy of 30% were running JSB/FX pellets with 47 shooters. It is incredible to see how AEA has taken hold within this event. And while I don’t have the exact number since not everyone enters their caliber for their equipment, .30 caliber is still the dominant choice
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I have between 5k to 10k of JSB pellets for each caliber I shoot. I'm getting good results and don't like cleaning more than I have to so, I don't think I'll be trying another brand any time soon.
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Ran some through a VERY good Lothar barrel that never leads up with JSB. And this particular barrel doesn't even have an excessively tight choke. The Chinese pellets leaded up the barrel, HEAVILY. Took 45+ minutes to get to the point that patches weren't coming out with lead glitter. And then it took 200+ shots after all that scrubbing to get back to the point where it'd shoot JSB the way it did before the Chinese pellet testing.
Not only were the Chinese pellets less accurate, but the after effects of what they did to my barrel really sealed the deal.
And yes, I'm a competition shooter. I know accuracy when I see it, or when I don't see it. Hype trains don't do much for me, I'm a results guy.
Never again.
(If I was trying to shoot against the .30s at comps, I could see dedicating/sacrificing a gun to the Chinese pellets/antimony, and that's simply cuz those guys have to keep up with the best BC pellets. That's currently Chinese and one-off Russian options. Living in my. 22 and below world, the Chinese pellets offer no benefit, and too many negatives).
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I have a bore scope too and I do not see any lead buildup in my guns shooting AEAs. My CZ barrel got a significant lead buildup near the chamber, not the choke but I think it was from H&N slugs I shot in it for awhile. I probably should have lubricated them. But it's been shooting JSB pellets most recently, I'll check it again. Mainly I use AEAs in SPA guns (Chinese guns, Chinese pellets) and I have not seen fouling. The one I think has less shots needs cleaned a bit more than the one with many thousands of shots through it but I am pretty sure that would be true regardless of the pellet I used. Seems like I was shooting fx before the AEAs and it still wanted to be cleaned more than the other 22.
Interesting the AEA kind of replaced JSB pellets at the Pyramid cup. I am sure that was based on how they shoot and that is my reason too. But if I had a gun that was otherwise fine but leaded up when I shot AEAs I'd use something else too.
Interesting the AEA kind of replaced JSB pellets at the Pyramid cup. I am sure that was based on how they shoot and that is my reason too. But if I had a gun that was otherwise fine but leaded up when I shot AEAs I'd use something else too.
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That's primarily a function of the. 30 AEA having the best BC in the high power game now. JSB simply doesn't have anything with a BC that high. With the power not being capped like it is in field target, there is a bit of a wildcatter effect going on in long range paper airgun comps right now, evidenced by the fact that the "winner" of PA Cup was using home-rolled .30 pellets that none of the other competitors in that event had access too. That's a different story though.
This is specific to the benchrest portion of PA Cup...
"...AEA led the way with 91 shooters (57%) running their pellets. Just shy of 30% were running JSB/FX pellets with 47 shooters.....From what I counted, upwards of 65% (maybe more) of shooters were running .30 cal. "
PA Cup started as a field target competition, which may or may not be considered the main event anymore.....regardless, Tyler didn't mention pellet companies in the match report that I read, but if it's anything like most AAFTA style ft matches, probably 95+% of shooters were shooting JSB, or rebranded JSB. And field target is a whole different ball of wax.....not getting an unlimited amount of sighters during the match like happens in benchrest makes field target guys gravitate to trustable projectiles.
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That clip was on the bench portion not ft. Guess i should have mentioned that was just surprised by it
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