Skout Everything Skout EVO and Epoch

[Ada]

Unfortunately...Yes

First of all thank you for wizening me up to the barrel fouling issue with the JTS pellets.
After my range session today i have discovered that if i start with a clean barrel and use dry lube on the pellets ( i use WD40 PTFE spray), it takes about 15-20 shots for the accuracy return. After that i get about 70-80 shots before the odd flyer starts to creep in again.
I have ordered JB polishing products from the US as they are not easy to find here.
Once i receive them I will hit you up again for some instructions , if you don't mind, for the polishing process.
I am curious as to what numbers you get with your setup??
Thank you again.

 

[manabeknives]

First of all thank you for wizening me up to the barrel fouling issue with the JTS pellets.
After my range session today i have discovered that if i start with a clean barrel and use dry lube on the pellets ( i use WD40 PTFE spray), it takes about 15-20 shots for the accuracy return. After that i get about 70-80 shots before the odd flyer starts to creep in again.
I have ordered JB polishing products from the US as they are not easy to find here.
Once i receive them I will hit you up again for some instructions , if you don't mind, for the polishing process.
I am curious as to what numbers you get with your setup??
Thank you again.

For a polishing process, here is what i do;
Start by havinvg the barrel cleaned out
Always polish from the breach to the muzzle ..you do not want the mop to exit muzzle..close as you can
Divide the length of the barrel into 1/3
Using the JB bore paste on a cotton mop, I will do 150 strokes on the first 1/3 of the barrel...refreshing the paste after 50
Next, I do 150 strokes down 2/3 the length of the barrel...refreshing after 50
Then 150 strokes down the full length of the barrel WITHOUT exiting the muzzle
Clean out the barrel of any remaining paste left behind
Change mops and repeat with Bore Bright

Custom Profile, JTS .22 dead center

Weather: 76.2°F 11.5 mph clear sky 1011hPa/mbar 29.85inHg 61%

Shot count: 31

Low: 962 FPS
Hi: 982 FPS
Avg: 973 FPS
Spread: 20 FPS
STD Dev: 5.2 FPS

Hope this helps
Mike

 

[Ada]

For a polishing process, here is what i do;
Start by havinvg the barrel cleaned out
Always polish from the breach to the muzzle ..you do not want the mop to exit muzzle..close as you can
Divide the length of the barrel into 1/3
Using the JB bore paste on a cotton mop, I will do 150 strokes on the first 1/3 of the barrel...refreshing the paste after 50
Next, I do 150 strokes down 2/3 the length of the barrel...refreshing after 50
Then 150 strokes down the full length of the barrel WITHOUT exiting the muzzle
Clean out the barrel of any remaining paste left behind
Change mops and repeat with Bore Bright

Custom Profile, JTS .22 dead center

Weather: 76.2°F 11.5 mph clear sky 1011hPa/mbar 29.85inHg 61%

Shot count: 31

Low: 962 FPS
Hi: 982 FPS
Avg: 973 FPS
Spread: 20 FPS
STD Dev: 5.2 FPS

Hope this helps
Mike

Thank you for all the info again.
I see you are using the same polishing method as someone I watched on youtube.
After all the tuning that I have done to the Evo, I get a very a stable speed at 981-982 all day if the temperature does not increase drastically.
After the barrel polishing will the number of (flyer free) shots increase by a significant amount?
Do you polish your barrel after every range session or sporadically??
Sorry for all the questions, I am the only person trying to do br with an air rifle where I live, so my research is limited to this forum.
Thank you again and keep shooting great!

 

[Tricky-Dicky]

WOW! that's a lot of polishing, I normally polish with Slovol Autosol and mop going full length and no more than 50-100 strokes, works very well on my barrels, the only barrel it didn't work well on was the STD Skout alloy type barrels, but mine was pretty rubbish anyway, I would be wary of over polishing and rounding the edges of the rifling groves.

 

[manabeknives]

Thank you for all the info again.
I see you are using the same polishing method as someone I watched on youtube.
After all the tuning that I have done to the Evo, I get a very a stable speed at 981-982 all day if the temperature does not increase drastically.
After the barrel polishing will the number of (flyer free) shots increase by a significant amount?
Do you polish your barrel after every range session or sporadically??
Sorry for all the questions, I am the only person trying to do br with an air rifle where I live, so my research is limited to this forum.
Thank you again and keep shooting great!

I did have less flyers after the process
I usually only do the polish 1 time, but i do clean after each session...it's a pain to do, but i do get results
Let me know how it works for you
MIke

 

[Motorhead]

JB bore paste is ONLY a BURNISHING compound ... it has very very very small abrasiveness qualities. A polish at best IMO.
Want bite and ability to actually lightly abrade metals ... carborundum or diamond paste.

 

[Tricky-Dicky]

A question, my Epoch was not leaking at all until a friend gave me a tip about keeping these areas of the HP reg clean and free from silicone grease, the result was it tightened up my fps variation by a lot but ever since I have had a leak, anyone know why this should be, and is this something the newer style HP regs address as apparently mine is an older model?

 

[Ada]

JB bore paste is ONLY a BURNISHING compound ... it has very very very small abrasiveness qualities. A polish at best IMO.
Want bite and ability to actually lightly abrade metals ... carborundum or diamond paste.

Sorry to bug you but it seems you have experience with the barrel lapping/polishing process.
My Brownell's products have not arrived yet and I do understand from your comments that they are meant for polishing at best , since they do not remove material.
If I wanted to remove material from the barrel by using a diamond paste, could you please advise me on what micron range paste should i get and possibly how many times would I have to run it through the barrel??
Thank you very much

 

[Motorhead]

Sorry to bug you but it seems you have experience with the barrel lapping/polishing process.
My Brownell's products have not arrived yet and I do understand from your comments that they are meant for polishing at best , since they do not remove material.
If I wanted to remove material from the barrel by using a diamond paste, could you please advise me on what micron range paste should i get and possibly how many times would I have to run it through the barrel??
Thank you very much

Barrel lapping / polishing

PS, Using the sites SEARCH will find you more on any subject you seek.

 

[Ada]

Barrel lapping / polishing

PS, Using the sites SEARCH will find you more on any subject you seek.

Thank you for your help.
I do use the search quite often, however i was looking for info on the Skout Evo LW barrel specifically , that is why I posted here.
I do appreciate your input though.
I can get my hands on a product called Besdia diamond oitment, it comes in syringes, they make a purple and red which have 50 microns at 400 grit and 35 microns at 600 grit respectively.
I guess i will buy them both and work them from 400 to 600 grit and then polish with the 2 Brownell's products?
My only issue with the barrel is the ridiculous rate at which it gets fouled up from the JTS pellets and the Altaros slugs for that matter.
I am attempting to increase the cleaning intervals, because at the moment i only get about 60-70 shots before accuracy suffers in the form of flyers.
Thanks again

 

[Motorhead]

Thank you for your help.
I do use the search quite often, however i was looking for info on the Skout Evo LW barrel specifically , that is why I posted here.
I do appreciate your input though.
I can get my hands on a product called Besdia diamond oitment, it comes in syringes, they make a purple and red which have 50 microns at 400 grit and 35 microns at 600 grit respectively.
I guess i will buy them both and work them from 400 to 600 grit and then polish with the 2 Brownell's products?
My only issue with the barrel is the ridiculous rate at which it gets fouled up from the JTS pellets and the Altaros slugs for that matter.
I am attempting to increase the cleaning intervals, because at the moment i only get about 60-70 shots before accuracy suffers in the form of flyers.
Thanks again

When you state a "SKOUT BARREL" ... that can be a vague statement as they have sold extruded bore Coated/plated Aluminum ALLOY barrels that can't or should not be lapped, Sub MOA steel barrels, LW barrels and others most likely.

WHAT specific barrel are you working with ?

 

[Ada]

When you state a "SKOUT BARREL" ... that can be a vague statement as they have sold extruded bore Coated/plated Aluminum ALLOY barrels that can't or should not be lapped, Sub MOA steel barrels, LW barrels and others most likely.

WHAT specific barrel are you working with ?

I purchased my Skout Evo with the following barrel option : UPGRADE to Lothar Walthar .22 caliber polygonal rifled - 25" with 1:15.75 twist (pellet&slug).

 

[Motorhead]

I purchased my Skout Evo with the following barrel option : UPGRADE to Lothar Walthar .22 caliber polygonal rifled - 25" with 1:15.75 twist (pellet&slug).

Have the same barrel .... lapped mine using 400 grit "Clover" carborundum paste with a hard wax final post a through cleaning.
Poly profiles and solid body slugs are never going to play well together as the surface area in bore contact and the subsequent Roundness of a slug forced into the Poly wobbly out of perfectly round profile is going to smear lead on bore surface !!!

Slugs such as the HUBEN "Peanut" offer much lower bore contact due to radial bearing rings and have proven VERY very accurate when tested at 200 yards.
* Sadly a very difficult to find slug currently

Another I'm testing and seeing good results is the AEA 38 grain slugs. there sorta bearing banded / relieved of contact area as well.

 

[Ada]

Have the same barrel .... lapped mine using 400 grit "Clover" carborundum paste with a hard wax final post a through cleaning.
Poly profiles and solid body slugs are never going to play well together as the surface area in bore contact and the subsequent Roundness of a slug forced into the Poly wobbly out of perfectly round profile is going to smear lead on bore surface !!!

Slugs such as the HUBEN "Peanut" offer much lower bore contact due to radial bearing rings and have proven VERY very accurate when tested at 200 yards.
* Sadly a very difficult to find slug currently

Another I'm testing and seeing good results is the AEA 38 grain slugs. there sorta bearing banded / relieved of contact area as well.
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Thank you kindly for the info.
I am by no means a gunsmith, but I do have access to machining tools, however i am not sure if I will go ahead and cast a lead mold to actually lap the barrel.
I don't trust any of my local gunsmiths, but i might give Lothar Walther a call and see if they are willing to lap/polish it for me.
If they won't , I will probably risk it myself.

 

[Motorhead]

I don't see the need for a lead lap .... just some firm fitting patches with compound on a long/round jag tip using a cleaning rod.
Few dozen or more back & forth passes end to end should be sufficient.

 

[MSR Workshop]

Hey guys, I have a different question.
I don’t know if it’s been asked on this forum before.
Anyone this particular thread I haven’t seen it, but are any of you using bottle regulators?

I’ve seen a few retailers and then some of scouts own shooters, using a regulator on their bottle as well as the regulators on the gun.
know some of them have used the ninja regulators and then saw another company advertising Huben regs. Anybody been using a third regulator and what have you found the advantage as to that?.

 

[Motorhead]

Hey guys, I have a different question.
I don’t know if it’s been asked on this forum before.
Anyone this particular thread I haven’t seen it, but are any of you using bottle regulators?

I’ve seen a few retailers and then some of scouts own shooters, using a regulator on their bottle as well as the regulators on the gun.
know some of them have used the ninja regulators and then saw another company advertising Huben regs. Anybody been using a third regulator and what have you found the advantage as to that?.

I spoke with Bill G and some of his crew when up in Oregon this past spring at the EFT/BR event.
The parts to make it happen they ( Skout ) were not manufacturing and sourced said adaption parts from one of the ASIAN web sellers such as TEMU or something like that. I did a bit digging around shortly after that weekend and came up empty as I really never had any hard specification & none were offered or known by the skout crew at that time.

 

[MSR Workshop]

I spoke with Bill G and some of his crew when up in Oregon this past spring at the EFT/BR event.
The parts to make it happen they ( Skout ) were not manufacturing and sourced said adaption parts from one of the ASIAN web sellers such as TEMU or something like that. I did a bit digging around shortly after that weekend and came up empty as I really never had any hard specification & none were offered or known by the skout crew at that time.

So did they give you a really good answer why they use them?
I posted the question off of an Instagram post by 802_Airhead who was advertising Huben power bottle regulators for the skout guns specifically. The answer that I got was it regulates the air going into the other regulator basically……

um yeah sure…
Im still confuse

 

[Ada]

So did they give you a really good answer why they use them?
I posted the question off of an Instagram post by 802_Airhead who was advertising Huben power bottle regulators for the skout guns specifically. The answer that I got was it regulates the air going into the other regulator basically……

um yeah sure…
Im still confuse

I use this

https://www.militaryairgun.com/accesories/235-external-regulator-with-externally-adjsutable-pressure.html

Hope it helps

 

[Ada]

It regulates the air that goes into the bottle while i am tethered to the tank and is fully adjustable and very accurate.
You can shoot hundreds of rounds without ever worrying about filling your bottle.