That makes sense. I think FT involves greater ranges than than what those ten meter guns were designed for and need more power. Ranges in FT run from 10 to 55 yards, that would be stretchng the effective range of my FWB 150 or 300.
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Other Break Barrel VS. Underlever
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In my youth I was into PT (25m) for a while. Usually out of 100+ different rifles the first places were taken by either AA200TX or HW97. Just a fact, although I do not own and do not plan to buy any rifles with a Underlever.
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I have 13 Weihrauch's in three calibers. Only two are underlevers. One underlever, my 97K is easy to shoot accurately because its moderately powered at 13 Fpe and heavy. It's probably the easiest airgun I have to shoot accurately. Probably my most accurate Weihrauch is my first. My 177 Hw95. It's almost two lbs lighter and makes closer to 15Fpe. It requires more concentration than the 97 to shoot well. But it will shoot better.
If I thought I'd do field target I would still choose the 97. It's generally more accurate than I can regularly shoot the 95. It's not the swinging barrel at fault on this gun, it's the lighter weight and higher power that makes it harder to tame. That said my 97 almost never sees daylight because its so heavy I just don't enjoy shooting it. But it is easier to shoot accurately. Mostly because of the reduced recoil and increased weight.
That said I still recently bought a Beeman Mk1, 77 that I'm still playing with. That may fall to the side like the 97K when I get bored with it.
If I thought I'd do field target I would still choose the 97. It's generally more accurate than I can regularly shoot the 95. It's not the swinging barrel at fault on this gun, it's the lighter weight and higher power that makes it harder to tame. That said my 97 almost never sees daylight because its so heavy I just don't enjoy shooting it. But it is easier to shoot accurately. Mostly because of the reduced recoil and increased weight.
That said I still recently bought a Beeman Mk1, 77 that I'm still playing with. That may fall to the side like the 97K when I get bored with it.
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I have break barrels, under levers, side levers, and even a few pcp's! Here's 2 consecutive five shot 25m groups through an underlever 97K this past week. Vortek PG4 full power kit on this one. Love my break barrels but when shots count I grab the 97K, TX200, FWB300, etc....
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I have posted this pic many times and it flies in the face of everything most people say don't do when looking for accuracy. 20+fpe, break barrel, .22 etc. but shows what can be done. 5 shot group outdoors while standing, rifle rested on hand that grasped a door frame.
I have also won 2 different state championships in Hunter piston with a .20 R9 15+fpe and scored as high as 80% hits with it. One of the matches I won by 6 shots the other by 9.
I have also won 2 different state championships in Hunter piston with a .20 R9 15+fpe and scored as high as 80% hits with it. One of the matches I won by 6 shots the other by 9.
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I haven't figured out whether it's the 97K or the 95n as far as accuracy is concerned they are very close.
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How old are your 57s? I’ve been eyeing that model for a few years but their accuracy seems to be hit or miss with the older models. HW says they’ve cured the issues with the latest offerings of the 57, but there’s so little information on them out their from real world users.
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Time to take them out for an hour each and shoot at cans offhand a 50y.
Then let us know.
I’m heading out to wade the Susquehanna by the Rockville bridge. Looking for a smallmouth over 20 inches.
Later.
Then let us know.
I’m heading out to wade the Susquehanna by the Rockville bridge. Looking for a smallmouth over 20 inches.
Later.
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I don’t think it matters a great deal. Sure, an underlever is inherently more accurate, but unless you’re competing in field target, a break barrel can produce accuracy thats good enough and is significantly lighter and easier to load. A good break barrel might shoot 1/4” larger groups at 50 yards compared to an equivalent underlever.
I personally don’t see any point in getting a cheap underlever. It’s unlikely you’ll notice any accuracy advantage with one. As a matter of fact, my least accurate springer is a cheap underlever, (Springfield M1A). If you get an underlever get a TX200, HW97 or something similar where you can at least appreciate the extra accuracy.
I personally don’t see any point in getting a cheap underlever. It’s unlikely you’ll notice any accuracy advantage with one. As a matter of fact, my least accurate springer is a cheap underlever, (Springfield M1A). If you get an underlever get a TX200, HW97 or something similar where you can at least appreciate the extra accuracy.
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I honestly cannot say how old they are. I have had them about 2 1/2 years. I got them from a dealer in the northeast and they were supposedly tuned by someone up in that region. I do remember looking him up and he seemed to have a good reputation as a tuner. When I got them there was no rear sight, which did not bother me as I installed a pair of Anchutz diopters on them. Accuracy I would say is good, not as good as some gun that are bigger and heavier, Most of my other guns have globe type front sights with changeable sight disks. These are a couple of the easiest cocking guns I have.
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Thanks for the response. I have been interested in the 57 as a “light” field gun. All of my underlevers are so heavy to carry around after a lifetime of shoulder injuries from motorcycle accidents. Even my D430 gets to be burdensome after an hour or so. If the new 57s keep up their reputation as accurate and reliable I’ll probably place an order with Krale. Take care!
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57s have a very checkered accuracy track record. The pop up breech seems to be unreliable. A HW57 probably has the worst accuracy record of any Weihrauch. Including all their break barrels. Its what's kept me from buying one. I've always loved the gun conceptually but its got too many people with problems for me to buy one.
With shoulder injuries unless you need power for hunting or shoot over 30 yards an Hw30 is a great rifle. Easy to cock and deadly accurately. Theres millions of happy Hw30 customers out there. I'd roll those odds first, if I were you. I'll take any of my three Hw30s or any other Weihrauch i own against any HW57.
Sorry if I seem harsh. I feel you may make an expensive mistake here. You can message me here for my phone number if you'd like to talk about this in great detail.
Be well
Ron
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I wrote to HW and recommended they build an under lever version of HW30. I really like mine a lot but an under lever would be the icing on the cake ever though it would be a little heavier.
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I kinda think that's their idea for the 57. And please forgive me but I'm curious, other than the novelty, what advantage would a smaller underlever have over an Hw30?
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HW30 underlever ? Hmmm ? yes i would buy one . I like the underlever system and the fixed barrel . The down side would be the inevitable cost for a much more complicated gun to build.
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That and it would greatly increase the weight unless they went with the problematic Hw57 loading system. There's other tap loading systems that work better but Weihrauch's not gonna invest in a completey new design when the age of high end piston guns is fast closing. Especially one that would have a very limited appeal. Heck what was Weihrauch's last all new design? The Hw90?
It's nice to dream but it's not gonna happen. I worked a long time for Mercedes and BMW and I'm quite familiar with German manufacturing philosophy. If they make an underlever equivalent of an Hw30, I'll buy one for you.
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OK i will talk to my friend in the HW engineering Dept. to build a custom one of a kind and you can buy it for me . (i will even pay shipping and tariff charges
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Of all my HWs, the 30 is super accurate. In the underlever form, it would be supremely accurate. Plus, it would make a fine addition to my collection.
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It's been documented here that the HW57 is not a good rifle. All they would have to do is scale down the front end of an HW77/97 and chop off the front of the current HW30 break barrel ahead of the T/P and add this on. The stock may have to be altered a bit too. But there again, the Germans tend to over engineer things.
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I rolled the dice on a HW57. I should have listened to all the reviews. The tappet system ruined the rifle. I believe the loading system of the 77/97 would have made the rifle too heavy or cost too much. Either way, it is the only Weihrauch rifle I do not recommend.
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