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[beerthief]

i found these very small levels , Glued one just behind the rear open sight on a PP700 SA , i can barely see the bubble under the rear V sight on the pistol does not interfere with aiming . i noticed i was vey slightly canting the gun to the left .

JYK Mini Cylindrical Level 30pcs, 5x12mm Small Horizontal Bubble Levels - Ideal for Measuring, Layout & DIY Projects - Amazon.com

JYK Mini Cylindrical Level 30pcs, 5x12mm Small Horizontal Bubble Levels - Ideal for Measuring, Layout & DIY Projects - Amazon.com

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[Hateful McNasty]

i found these very small levels , Glued one just behind the rear open sight on a PP700 SA , i can barely see the bubble under the rear V sight on the pistol does not interfere with aiming . i noticed i was vey slightly canting the gun to the left .

JYK Mini Cylindrical Level 30pcs, 5x12mm Small Horizontal Bubble Levels - Ideal for Measuring, Layout & DIY Projects - Amazon.com

JYK Mini Cylindrical Level 30pcs, 5x12mm Small Horizontal Bubble Levels - Ideal for Measuring, Layout & DIY Projects - Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Likewise

Pulled put of old bent level

 

[AirNGasman]

i noticed i was vey slightly canting the gun to the left .

Every time anyone tries any of my scoped rifles or pistols their first comment is "your scope is canted (or crooked)". And anytime I shoot one of their's that is my first comment.

When/if the conversation continues, it usually devolves into much less experienced shooters' attempts at well-intentioned advice for a much more experienced shooter, too old to change his ways. So I've learned to minimize the time wasted for both of us by stating that my only priority is that my scopes, on my rifles and pistols, look square to MY eyes.

Then if they persist in trying to teach an old dog new tricks, in one way or another I allude to this-

That works every time.

BTW, FYI and FWIW, that card never worked very well for its intended purpose; that being impressing adolescent girls. So I was happy to find an ulterior purpose for the $29.95 investment (for which it works wonderfully well).


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[Hateful McNasty]

Every time anyone tries any of my scoped rifles or pistols their first comment is "your scope is canted (or crooked)". And anytime I shoot one of their's that is my first comment.

When/if the conversation continues, it usually devolves into much less experienced shooters' attempts at well-intentioned advice for a much more experienced shooter, too old to change his ways. So I've learned to minimize the time wasted for both of us by stating that my only priority is that my scopes, on my rifles and pistols, look square to MY eyes.

Then if they persist in trying to teach an old dog new tricks, in one way or another I allude to this-

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That works every time.

BTW, FYI and FWIW, that card never worked very well for its intended purpose; that being impressing adolescent girls. So I was happy to find an ulterior purpose for the $29.95 investment (for which it works wonderfully well).


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Is you scope canted or crooked?

Relpy...

I don't know can you tell me ?
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Puts them on the spot .

Or i just show them this

 

[Sawney Bean]

I use the $6 ones that clamp to the tube and what I've found is that I can still see them in the peripheral vision of my left eye while aiming the rifle.

They really are an eye opener when it comes to cant. What I find is that my mind naturally wants to align the sights with objects that are presumably vertical, but the reality is that those objects usually are tilted a few degrees. Then sometimes, something about the ergonomics of a particular rifle will just make it feel like it's properly aligned when it's actually tilted a few degrees. I also like to hang targets on strings. When you do that they form a natural plumb bob and create a truly vertical reference that you can line your crosshairs up with.

 

[Ranchibi]

I have a blue bubble level on myTaipan's scope as I am a cant monster...

 

[Bigbaby]

$12 from Amazon, fits on the picantinny rail. My cheap bipod allows a little rock to it, so I check level with almost every shot.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

I used the one above but i shoot irons .. so using it and shouldering the gun i could look down my nose ( pun intended) and check my hold ..

Now it become natural to hold level without looking at the level ..

It made for good practice and stuck ..

 

[Vana2]

$12 from Amazon, fits on the picantinny rail. My cheap bipod allows a little rock to it, so I check level with almost every shot.

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I suspect that those clamp-on levels are ok. And they are surely better than nothing.

But I do wonder if the level, its mount, the barrel, the block, the mounts and the cross hairs are all in sync with the picatinny.

...Yeah, worked with engineers too long, I always worry about cumulative tolerances.

I use the scope tube mounted levels that I can zero to a plumb line.

Cheers!

 

[dan_house]

"I suspect that those clamp-on levels are ok. And they are surely better than nothing."

So long as you take the time and make the effort to make it as level/square/"calibrated" as you can, yea itll be fine for range and field work

Not talking about micrometer precision here, just trying to keep the rifle as vertical as possible. Think of it as a feedback device...

 

[Bigbaby]

I suspect that those clamp-on levels are ok. And they are surely better than nothing.

But I do wonder if the level, its mount, the barrel, the block, the mounts and the cross hairs are all in sync with the picatinny.

...Yeah, worked with engineers too long, I always worry about cumulative tolerances.

I use the scope tube mounted levels that I can zero to a plumb line.

Cheers!

When I leveled my scope, I used a clamp on barrel level, as well as the picantinny rail level to level the gun along with a level on the scope mounts, before using a level on the scope turret. I trust the picantinny mounted level because of the verification with the other levels.

 

[beerthief]

"I suspect that those clamp-on levels are ok. And they are surely better than nothing."

So long as you take the time and make the effort to make it as level/square/"calibrated" as you can, yea itll be fine for range and field work

Not talking about micrometer precision here, just trying to keep the rifle as vertical as possible. Think of it as a feedback device...

i assume your talking about the scope tube mounted levels ? That is easy , just hang a string with a weight as a vertical reference and line the vertical in the scope with that string about 10 or 20 feet away

 

[coastal drifter]

I use the reticle vertical line to see if it looks plumb. Works for me.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

"I suspect that those clamp-on levels are ok. And they are surely better than nothing."

So long as you take the time and make the effort to make it as level/square/"calibrated" as you can, yea itll be fine for range and field work

Not talking about micrometer precision here, just trying to keep the rifle as vertical as possible. Think of it as a feedback device...

"Not talking about micrometer precision here, just trying to keep the rifle as vertical as possible. Think of it as a feedback device..."

But , but, that degree of precision is what gets you that fancy wall paper ..

 

[Avator]

This is one of those threads that when you see the title you're not sure if you want to click on it or not.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

This is one of those threads that when you see the title you're not sure if you want to click on it or not.

I had to be sure it was not about me or the type of person I am ..

Bada bing bada boom ...

 

[maxtrouble]

BKL fan boi recommends BKL Levels. Made in the Great State of Texas.

BKL Technologies - 12-Way and Ring Mount Scope Levels - Made In The USA

We manufacture the largest selection of airgun scope mounts and rimfire rifle scope mounts in the U.S. Our competition-grade scope mounting system includes mounts, rings, adapters, and risers that utilize a quick-installing and self-aligning clamping system that fits both 11mm and 3/8" dovetails.

www.bkltech.com

 

[Hateful McNasty]

BKL fan boi recommends BKL Levels. Made in the Great State of Texas.

BKL Technologies - 12-Way and Ring Mount Scope Levels - Made In The USA

We manufacture the largest selection of airgun scope mounts and rimfire rifle scope mounts in the U.S. Our competition-grade scope mounting system includes mounts, rings, adapters, and risers that utilize a quick-installing and self-aligning clamping system that fits both 11mm and 3/8" dovetails.

www.bkltech.com

Well... Upside is no tariffs...

 

[Bigbaby]

i assume your talking about the scope tube mounted levels ? That is easy , just hang a string with a weight as a vertical reference and line the vertical in the scope with that string about 10 or 20 feet away

Getting the scope level is only half of the solution, the rifle must also be level when leveling the scope. Also, how do you know if your scope is level when you’re on target, unless you have a plum bob at every target.

 

[beerthief]

Getting the scope level is only half of the solution, the rifle must also be level when leveling the scope. Also, how do you know if your scope is level when you’re on target, unless you have a plum bob at every target.

when i mount a scope on a rifle i have a level attached to the scope rail and one on the scope . Now i mount the bottom half of the rings and put a level across each one , then i lay the scope in and loosely put the 8 top screws in . look through the scope and match the hanging line at the target . Now comes the process of tightening the ring screws . 1/2 turn each till just snug and again check all levels . Everything matches turn every screw in sequence 1 through 8 in an X fashion . final 1/4 turns in the last few rounds always checking that the scope has not canted . last round of 8 screws and the torque is met .
Now i set the scope tube level to match the other two levels . I check level just before i let each shot off . If you take the time to set your level correctly then any time you miss you know it is all you .
EDIT : maybe a bit to much ? NAH

this is really how i learned to level everything about guns .