Resources Landscaping Flags as Targets

[Troy Bakel]

I ended up with a package of landscaping flags.

Cut off the flag and taped a 3×5 note card to the wire.

Using a set of circle templates I drew the Easy, Moderate, Hard, and Expert, Kill Zones on the note cards as applicable for each distance delineated on the AAFTA Troyer pdf.

Using a tape measure, I stuck the KZs in the ground at the applicable distances and proved that even sitting at a bench shooting off a bipod ........ I suck at field target.

 

[mwgm2020]

I thought you were going to say you used them as cheap wind flags to practice your wind holds.

But you gave me a great idea. Thanks

 

[cavedweller]

I ended up with a package of landscaping flags.

Cut off the flag and taped a 3×5 note card to the wire.

Using a set of circle templates I drew the Easy, Moderate, Hard, and Expert, Kill Zones on the note cards as applicable for each distance delineated on the AAFTA Troyer pdf.

Using a tape measure, I stuck the KZs in the ground at the applicable distances and proved that even sitting at a bench shooting off a bipod ........ I suck at field target.

You sure it’s not a gun v pellet issue?
How well does the gun group at 55 yards?
what kind of environmental issues were present?
Does your gun hold zero?

 

[6gun]

Stick a grape on top of the wire for a bonus reactive target.

 

[Troy Bakel]

You sure it’s not a gun v pellet issue?
How well does the gun group at 55 yards?
what kind of environmental issues were present?
Does your gun hold zero?

Gun is fine. A 30 cal 45 grain AEA domed diabolo at 880 fps shoots relatively flat, straight, with very little wind issues out to 55 yards, but, tends to shave a lot off the the Expert KZs. I scored a knock down only when I didn't cut the edge of the KZ.

 

[Troy Bakel]

You sure it’s not a gun v pellet issue?
How well does the gun group at 55 yards?
what kind of environmental issues were present?
Does your gun hold zero?

Mr. Rudy, if you take the HIGHEST Grand Prix legal Troyer KZ at each distance for each Easy, Moderate, Hard, Expert, ranking at that distance, you will have 166 KZs.

Have someone cut those KZs as metal disks, then hang them at the correct distance, make each distance a lane, and you would have a 46 lane - 166 target GRAND TROYER course.

 

[Bramezy]

Mr. Rudy, if you take the HIGHEST Grand Prix legal Troyer KZ at each distance for each Easy, Moderate, Hard, Expert, ranking at that distance, you will have 166 KZs.

Have someone cut those KZs as metal disks, then hang them at the correct distance, make each distance a lane, and you would have a 46 lane - 166 target GRAND TROYER course.

Id love to try that. Ive asked for a normal course locally to be setup to max KZ for all targets, even offhand
Just to see

 

[AirNGasman]

Ive asked for a normal course locally to be setup to max KZ for all targets, even offhand

Do you enjoy root canals?

Oops, sorry. I thought you meant maximum TROYER kill zones. Allow me to rephrase my question.

Do you enjoy shooting fish in a barrel?

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[Bramezy]

Do you enjoy root canals?

Oops, sorry. I thought you meant maximum TROYER kill zones. Allow me to rephrase my question.

Do you enjoy shooting fish in a barrel?

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I actually asked for both. All targets to be 1.5" to mimick the Crosman GP and a course with the mimium allowed KZ for each distance. Make it super hard and super easy. I want to see the difficulty. I shoot that stuff for practice anyway but wanted to see it as a real local match. We did it a few times in our off season of the hard stuff but not an entire course, just a few lanes.

 

[cavedweller]

Mr. Rudy, if you take the HIGHEST Grand Prix legal Troyer KZ at each distance for each Easy, Moderate, Hard, Expert, ranking at that distance, you will have 166 KZs.

Have someone cut those KZs as metal disks, then hang them at the correct distance, make each distance a lane, and you would have a 46 lane - 166 target GRAND TROYER course.

Oooooh i like that!

 

[cavedweller]

Mr. Rudy, if you take the HIGHEST Grand Prix legal Troyer KZ at each distance for each Easy, Moderate, Hard, Expert, ranking at that distance, you will have 166 KZs.

Have someone cut those KZs as metal disks, then hang them at the correct distance, make each distance a lane, and you would have a 46 lane - 166 target GRAND TROYER course.

I need to endear myself to a metal worker.

 

[AirNGasman]

I need to endear myself to a metal worker.

Calvin at Quality Targets.

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[JW.]

Mr. Rudy, if you take the HIGHEST Grand Prix legal Troyer KZ at each distance for each Easy, Moderate, Hard, Expert, ranking at that distance, you will have 166 KZs.

Have someone cut those KZs as metal disks, then hang them at the correct distance, make each distance a lane, and you would have a 46 lane - 166 target GRAND TROYER course.

We need to run this match in Nevada, four days, 368 shots! Woot!!! We'd have a mutiny on our hands, or nobody would show up.... LOL

Tell you what, a 36T course with no wind (what we can an east coast simulation) is not very difficult... Without wind you need to get closer to 50T for things to get spicy (positional shots only of course).

I drilled a 1" at 50 yards during the Baton Rouge Nationals, it was smack in the middle of my lane but was for the lane over (which is illegal and was ignored when brought up). It was scored as a miss but it sure stoked the confidence levels...

 

[Troy Bakel]

It is 166 targets and 46 lanes if layed out by yardage with the highest EASY, MODERATE, HARD, EXPERT Troyer for that yardage.

If layed out by KZ diameter you have 12 lanes and 42 targets with no more than 4 targets per lane. For each KZ diameter find the highest Troyer and yardage for each EASY, MODERATE, HARD, EXPERT rating applicable to that KZ diameter.

The "BY KZ" Layout you have fewer targets but each has to have its own stand.

The "BY YARDAGE" Layout you have more targets with up to four targets swinging from an "A Frame" style hanger at each yardage.

I am heading out to a Precision Benchrest night shoot, but when I get back l will calculate the Troyer for each Layout.

 

[Troy Bakel]

At an FT event this weekend I had the opportunity to ask shooters who shoot at the national level and even a national champion how they practice.

Without prompting from me, they all said they shot paper because paper records your misses and allows you to analyze the shot to determine: Was a bad shot due to;

A. Shot process.
B. Not establishing a good natural point of aim.
C. Read the wind incorrectly.
D. Didn't range correctly.

So I hand loaded the AAFTA Troyer Table into a pivot table and did some comparisons of various Troyer Kill Zone range layouts that would allow you to test your: ranging, wind reading, and marksmanship skills.

The best range layout from the pivot table that tested all these skills with a simple in line range set up is:

A. Take the highest Troyer for each KZ size for Easy, Moderate, Hard, and Expert.

B. This will yield 48 Kill Zones spread over 26 distances as follows: Yardage.Number of Kill Zone Sizes;

11.1, 12.1, 14.3, 17.1, 18.2, 19.2, 22.2, 24.2, 25.1, 26.1, 27.1, 29.3, 31.1, 32.1, 33.1, 34.2, 37.3, 39.2, 41.1, 43.1, 44.2, 45.5, 46.1, 49.1, 53.2, 55.5.

To build the pivot table I used the Central Texas Airgun Club's Troyer PDF. I used only those KZ-Distances allowed for Grand Prix.

The course Troyer for this layout is 31.867 with no environmental modifiers.

 

[cavedweller]

At an FT event this weekend I had the opportunity to ask shooters who shoot at the national level and even a national champion how they practice.

Without prompting from me, they all said they shot paper because paper records your misses and allows you to analyze the shot to determine: Was a bad shot due to;

A. Shot process.
B. Not establishing a good natural point of aim.
C. Read the wind incorrectly.
D. Didn't range correctly.

So I hand loaded the AAFTA Troyer Table into a pivot table and did some comparisons of various Troyer Kill Zone range layouts that would allow you to test your: ranging, wind reading, and marksmanship skills.

The best range layout from the pivot table that tested all these skills with a simple in line range set up is:

A. Take the highest Troyer for each KZ size for Easy, Moderate, Hard, and Expert.

B. This will yield 48 Kill Zones spread over 26 distances as follows: Yardage.Number of Kill Zone Sizes;

11.1, 12.1, 14.3, 17.1, 18.2, 19.2, 22.2, 24.2, 25.1, 26.1, 27.1, 29.3, 31.1, 32.1, 33.1, 34.2, 37.3, 39.2, 41.1, 43.1, 44.2, 45.5, 46.1, 49.1, 53.2, 55.5.

To build the pivot table I used the Central Texas Airgun Club's Troyer PDF. I used only those KZ-Distances allowed for Grand Prix.

The course Troyer for this layout is 31.867 with no environmental modifiers.

I set these out when im shooting on my own
So knowing the layout really helps
The steel cutout has a 2” diameter so if the pellet misses the bull the steel frame records the strike on the white paint