Sheridan Buyer beware!

AirNGasman

I'm guessing that it took about 7 coats at around an hour apiece, considering application, steel wooling and clean-up.
The stock was about 4 hours, with sanding and coating, plus clean-up.
This is what it looked like in the Classified ad....
Not fully 'blued' as from factory, but the best that I could get from the Casey Blackening product used.

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FWIW and as usual, there are almost always methods to my madness(es). And as pertains this forum (and other teaching opportunities), those methods are often designed to stimulate thinking:unsure:; often not getting to the point up front, by design.

In this particular case the reason I purposely posted only the (one) photo in that ad that exposes the broken rifle was to see the responses. They didn't disappoint.

The lessons?

1) ALWAYS expect the worst on FleaBay.
2) Or anywhere else you're considering buying anything used.
3) Lacking the opportunity to see, handle and/or SHOOT a used airgun in person, so having to rely totally on seller description and photos, BE ESPECIALLY CAUTIOUS.
4) If the description and/or photos are vague, RUN AWAY! 🏃‍♂️
5) In this case neither the description nor photos are vague, so the enticing price required CLOSE scrutiny (to avoid getting burned).
6) Key words 'CLOSE', and SCRUTINY"; as in ENLARGE (photos) AND 3X magnification reading glasses.
7) ENLARGE is your freind.
8) If you don't know how to ENLARGE, learn it dern it!
9) It ain't rocket science.
10) The adage 'experience is the best teacher' is wrong. BAD experience is a MUCH better teacher!
11) It might be a good idea to not always rely on first-hand bad experience to learn hard and expensive lessons.
12) Such lessons are often free; often dispensed by those who've learned the hard way.
13) But sometimes require reading between the lines, and/or close scrutiny.
14) My lessons often require both.
15) How many would have jumped on that broken Sheridan soon as they saw the price, if not for this thread?
16) You're welcome.

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Happy shooting, Y'all! 😊


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I think a good practice on eBay is to buy from established vendors with a large number of positive reviews that offer free returns for say 30 days. I recently bought a HW 70 with a missing part that was in the picture but not in the description. It also needed new seals, although the vendor said in the ad, "works as it should". He offered a 30-day return and it was no hassle to do the return. Out the shipping cost, but was glad to get my $200 back. Free returns also saved my bacon on a fishing rod and bow purchase as well. I get excited when I see a good price for something on my wish list and don't review the photos well or ask questions like I should. Just going on the description only, and some spare cash is my problem.
 
Because my states laws are so complex, neither Amazon, nor Ebay will ship to me. In a way I'm fortunate because it forces me to deal with folks in these forums. I will always initiate a phone call, and if you've been around the block a couple of times, when you're talkin' to someone, you can size 'em up pretty quick. Obviously an Ebay deal is hard to confirm with a phone call. I've seen some guns on Ebay that I probably would've taken a chance on. Maybe I''ve got a little karma watchin' over my shoulder because, when it comes to selling, I'll always take the hit to keep the good faith.
 
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I think a good practice on eBay is to buy from established vendors with a large number of positive reviews that offer free returns for say 30 days. I recently bought a HW 70 with a missing part that was in the picture but not in the description. It also needed new seals, although the vendor said in the ad, "works as it should". He offered a 30-day return and it was no hassle to do the return. Out the shipping cost, but was glad to get my $200 back. Free returns also saved my bacon on a fishing rod and bow purchase as well. I get excited when I see a good price for something on my wish list and don't review the photos well or ask questions like I should. Just going on the description only, and some spare cash is my problem.

Thank you for reinforcing my points, JD.

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I will always initiate a phone call, and if you've been around the block a couple of times, when you're talkin' to someone, you can size 'em up pretty quick. Obviously an Ebay deal is hard to confirm with a phone call.

Which is why I almost always include my phone number in my For Sale ads on this forum, also including the statement '"feel free to CALL ME with qestions or for more information". Strangely enough :unsure:, those obviously HONEST offers not only usually fall on deaf ears, but seem to prolong my For Sale listings until someone with sense enough to realize the seller is HONEST finally takes advantage of a good, honest offering. Which make me chuckle to hear about the less astute getting burned.

As you say, "you can size 'em (prospects) up pretty quick". The chaf don't want to be sized up.

As far as I can ascertain, it is impossible on Ebay to confiirm ANYTHING. Another reason we call it Fleabay.

In closing, I'll state anyone posting vague descriptions or photos, unresponsive to pointed questions, or allergic to conversation(s) is NOT TO BE TRUSTED... no matter what generation they are.

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AirNGasman

I'm guessing that it took about 7 coats at around an hour apiece, considering application, steel wooling and clean-up.
The stock was about 4 hours, with sanding and coating, plus clean-up.
This is what it looked like in the Classified ad....
Not fully 'blued' as from factory, but the best that I could get from the Casey Blackening product used.

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mike


Forgive me for making some points here, Mike; but I believe them to be pertinent to the lessons.

Eleven hours to bring that broken Sheridan up to your (commendable(y)) selling standards. And if I'm not misreading it, to lose money on it? :oops: That's quite a selfless sacrifice to resurrect a vintage Sheridan worth between $100 and $300. What's the current minimum wage?

To add more perspective, lawyers charge $500-1,000/hour, doctors $1,000 - $10.000/ hour, and politicians steal $10,000 - $10,000,000/hour. :mad:

Now further perspective. In retirement I consider my (ever-decreasing) time worth at least as much as the most I ever made before retirement; that being $16/hour. :oops:

Not to criticize, rather to lend perspective on your particular experience... were that broken Sheridan experience worth it? :unsure:

Which not only brings us back to the reason for my original post, but my continuing exchanges with you here.

I hoped to not only save someone from getting burned by purchasing an mis-described Ebay item, but use that excellent example to instill a VALUABLE lesson for even more folks here (everyone following this thread). Hopefully someone(s) benefitted from my efforts.

If not, my time was ill-invested.

By the way, nice work Mike! (y)(y)

Happy shooting.

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AirNGasman

Thank you for your valued input and sage advice (others should thank you as well). Your points are valid and well taken.
While I didn't lose money in the deal, I understand that there was likely more value in both rifles than I ultimately got. I'm okay with that.

They were in the Classifieds for quite some time, of course with the obligatory low-ballers, so I thought that I may never sell them (shaky economy didn't help).
While the ultimate buyer didn't exactly low-ball, it was amicable enough so the deal went through. Remember, I got them for free from someone that didn't want them.
Like you, I'm also retired, but most could not afford my hourly rate as a plumber....everyone knows....doctor, lawyer, plumber are in the same wage rate category (HA!). Politicians leave EVERYONE in the dust!
As it happened, it was good for me all around;
I got educated in doing the work.
While I already knew soldering, being a plumber, it was a very different joinery than normal, so I learned something there as well.
Finishing wood has never been my strong suit, so taking the time to do it right was also a good lesson for me as I used apply the finish with one, maybe two coats and call it a day. These stocks both got 5-6 coats with sanding in between and came out pretty darn good.
Finishing a brass/copper metal, while time consuming, was also a learning experience, something that I had never tried. I had done some very minor bluing on firearms, but this was a real eye opener in how these metals were "blued".
I had the time and energy to do so and that in itself was gratifying.
The buyer was very happy with the purchase, and the work done.
All good stuff, at least to me.
However, your OP is not lost on me, I get what you are driving at and appreciate your educating others here. That is also gratifying (hopefully) to you. Also, thank you for the props!
Shoot straight!
mike