RTI More Mora Fun

Once again at the indoor range with the Mora. I'm hooked on this gun. Today was a short day, only time for four targets but I did record some thru the scope video on target #3 which today turned out to be the best of the four. As usual I tried to keep the video short. It's about 2.5 minutes long so you shouldn't get too bored.

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The AEA and JTS pellets seem to like a little more speed than the traditional selection. Maybe a little hot at 970-980. I'd be curious to see a target shot at 940fps.

Here are targets I shot Tuesday with AEA 29.5g at 905-915fps.

Rifle was the “grandfather” of Joe’s Mora - an RTI Prophet Performance V1 with .25LR (1:32 twist) barrel.

I was actually testing the JTS 29.63g that were doing so well at 75.

I received the AEAs on Monday and because the weights were so close, I switched to them after an initial JTS Target at 75.

I was freaking ASTONISHED at my initial 75 yards results at 75 with the AEAs. First 10 shots were a single hole - even with me adjusting scope. Next target I adjusted scope after 1st shot was a bit low-left. Next 4 went into .4245” edge to edge hole. Next target at 75 all 10 went into single hole on the bullseye.

So I had to try 100. At 100 my target was in the woods so I could barely see it through the 45X Sightron. It was just going to be a sight in target at 100 as I just guessed 60 clicks up from 75. I aimed at target center cause I couldn’t see well enough for hold offs. I walked up and 10/10 were touching or inside the 1.5” ring with AEA 29.5g at 100 yards. I’d rather be lucky than good, lol.

I’d consider a Mora if I knew for sure that my 5 Prophet barrels would work well in it.

These AEA 29.5s seem darn consistent.

-Ed

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seems like shes shooting a little hot? my guns shoot most pellets best around 880-890 FPS
It all depends on your set up. Mine is a 700mm .25 cal with the standard regstack progression of 2 on 3. My belief is that pellets require a very brief, high powered SLAPof air. This minimizes the amount of destabilizing air trailing the pellet. Even so, my Mora's 2nd reg is set to only 100 bar and my dwell is only 3/4 of a turn off completely closed. Even so, I'm shooting AEA 29.5s at 975fps and producing these types of results at 100 yards.

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It all depends on your set up. Mine is a 700mm .25 cal with the standard regstack progression of 2 on 3. My belief is that pellets require a very brief, high powered SLAPof air. This minimizes the amount of destabilizing air trailing the pellet. Even so, my Mora's 2nd reg is set to only 100 bar and my dwell is only 3/4 of a turn off completely closed. Even so, I'm shooting AEA 29.5s at 975fps and producing these types of results at 100 yards.

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looks tight to me!
 
It all depends on your set up. Mine is a 700mm .25 cal with the standard regstack progression of 2 on 3. My belief is that pellets require a very brief, high powered SLAPof air. This minimizes the amount of destabilizing air trailing the pellet. Even so, my Mora's 2nd reg is set to only 100 bar and my dwell is only 3/4 of a turn off completely closed. Even so, I'm shooting AEA 29.5s at 975fps and producing these types of results at 100 yards.

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Really nice targets you got there!! What ES/SD are you getting? Mine is a .22 600mm and it shoots amazing! The only thing I don’t seem to get a handle on is the spread… ES 15-20 and SD 3-4 for me, would really like to get that tighter… dwell is also set fairly tight…
 
On the Mora’s second reg which way do you turn the hex bolt to decrease the pressure? Right or left?

Never mind, I found it in search history:
“In practical use, the 2nd stage reg can be adjusted without degassing the gun. To INCREASE reg pressure, turn the adjuster CLOCKWISE. This can be done freely. However, when DECREASING pressure you must do so in very small increments so as not to damage the regulator. Turning the adjuster 1/⁸ of a turn COUNTERCLOCKWISE at a time, then cock and fire the gun and repeat this process until the desired pressure is achieved.”
 
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Adding another question: how sensitive is your reg to adjustments? When I up the pressure it feels like I need to turn quite a bit before the gauge does something, like nothing happening according to reg gauge if I do less then at least 1/8 of a turn. And then the needle jumps almost 10b… also noticed the needle jump when the reg is refreshing, will try to capture on camera… hopefully it’s just the gauge being wonky and not the reg…

Also lmk in case you don’t appreciate me sidetracking your post :)
 
Really nice targets you got there!! What ES/SD are you getting? Mine is a .22 600mm and it shoots amazing! The only thing I don’t seem to get a handle on is the spread… ES 15-20 and SD 3-4 for me, would really like to get that tighter… dwell is also set fairly tight…
In order to achieve very low SD and ES you need to be very meticulous in your tuning approach. While the Mora is generally an extremely easy gun to tune, "fine" tuning will require some time and work. Currently during testing, I'm seeing 2-3 SD and as much as 14 ES depending on the speed and the pellet I'm shooting. However, for serious practice and competition, I will always return to the AEA 29.5 grain Center Punch pellets at 970-975 fps because that is where I get my best overall results. As a starting point for that tune I know exactly the 2nd reg pressure (100 bar) needs to be and the approximate position for the dwell adjuster (on my gun that's six holes from closed). However, because I'm using a 700mm barrel, your settings will be different(most likely a few bar higher on the reg), if only slightly.

Once I have my gross starting point, in order get my SD and ES minimized I begin bumping (and I do mean barely moving) the regulator and adjusting the dwell, in equally small increments, to offset the direction (increasing/decreasing) that I moved the regulator. What I'm doing is trying to find that extremely small balance point that gives the pellet an initial SLAP (shortest possible burst) of air with NO trailing air. This balancing point can take a while to locate. I requires going back and forth until you hit pay dirt. Now, the question is, is this REALLY necessary? Well, IMO, that depends on what you're doing. For ME, as a benchrest shooter, the answer is yes, because consistency is everything when dealing in millimeters at 50 to 100 yards. Although a 10 fps spread barely registers on my POI, barely isn't good enough. When I'm POA is 3 o'clock the ten ring, 3 millimeters can be the difference of an entire point. For a hunter, or a plinker or a long range shooter who have much larger diameters to their target areas, there's little or no point at all in going through all those machinations. Form should always follow function.
 
In order to achieve very low SD and ES you need to be very meticulous in your tuning approach. While the Mora is generally an extremely easy gun to tune, "fine" tuning will require some time and work. Currently during testing, I'm seeing 2-3 SD and as much as 14 ES depending on the speed and the pellet I'm shooting. However, for serious practice and competition, I will always return to the AEA 29.5 grain Center Punch pellets at 970-975 fps because that is where I get my best overall results. As a starting point for that tune I know exactly the 2nd reg pressure (100 bar) needs to be and the approximate position for the dwell adjuster (on my gun that's six holes from closed). However, because I'm using a 700mm barrel, your settings will be different(most likely a few bar higher on the reg), if only slightly.

Once I have my gross starting point, in order get my SD and ES minimized I begin bumping (and I do mean barely moving) the regulator and adjusting the dwell, in equally small increments, to offset the direction (increasing/decreasing) that I moved the regulator. What I'm doing is trying to find that extremely small balance point that gives the pellet an initial SLAP (shortest possible burst) of air with NO trailing air. This balancing point can take a while to locate. I requires going back and forth until you hit pay dirt. Now, the question is, is this REALLY necessary? Well, IMO, that depends on what you're doing. For ME, as a benchrest shooter, the answer is yes, because consistency is everything when dealing in millimeters at 50 to 100 yards. Although a 10 fps spread barely registers on my POI, barely isn't good enough. When I'm POA is 3 o'clock the ten ring, 3 millimeters can be the difference of an entire point. For a hunter, or a plinker or a long range shooter who have much larger diameters to their target areas, there's little or no point at all in going through all those machinations. Form should always follow function.
Thanks Joe!!! Decided to pull the reg and found 25 equally thick Belleville washers… seems weird…
 
It all depends on your set up. Mine is a 700mm .25 cal with the standard regstack progression of 2 on 3. My belief is that pellets require a very brief, high powered SLAPof air. This minimizes the amount of destabilizing air trailing the pellet. Even so, my Mora's 2nd reg is set to only 100 bar and my dwell is only 3/4 of a turn off completely closed. Even so, I'm shooting AEA 29.5s at 975fps and producing these types of results at 100 yards.

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Another question for you (sorry): what do you mean with “standard reg stack progression of 2 on 3”? I went with (()) and 24 washers (what I have in my p3…) when putting the reg back in, no idea why there where 25 in it but maybe I’m missing something?!
 
Thanks Joe!!! Decided to pull the reg and found 25 equally thick Belleville washers… seems weird…
Nope, not weird at all. While you have it out, polish the washers then arrange them in the type of stacks that fit your power requirements. 2 on 2s for lowest power 2 on 3 for medium range and 3 on 3 for highest power. It's alright to have washers left over.
 
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Another question for you (sorry): what do you mean with “standard reg stack progression of 2 on 3”? I went with (()) and 24 washers (what I have in my p3…) when putting the reg back in, no idea why there where 25 in it but maybe I’m missing something?!
Medium (standard) Belleville stack is 2 on 3...(()))(()))(()))(()))(()))
 
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Medium (standard) Belleville stack is 2 on 3...(()))(()))(()))(()))
Thanks!!!! The (()) seems to be working fine at 150b buuut gonna try this stack next! Always thought you gotta go with stacks of equals, otherwise the lower count pairs/washers will go flat at some point?! Anyway, very helpful!

Everything is polished all the way up to 8000, washers, piston, any metal on metal surfaces. Here’s the result with the (()) stack and 34gr HN for 72ish FPE. Improved quite a bit!

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Adding another question: how sensitive is your reg to adjustments? When I up the pressure it feels like I need to turn quite a bit before the gauge does something, like nothing happening according to reg gauge if I do less then at least 1/8 of a turn. And then the needle jumps almost 10b… also noticed the needle jump when the reg is refreshing, will try to capture on camera… hopefully it’s just the gauge being wonky and not the reg…

Also lmk in case you don’t appreciate me sidetracking your post :)
Sensitivity will depend on how the reg is stacked, the differential value between regs 1 & 2 and the speed you're shooting. At the standard differential value of 50 bar, the low pressure stack should produce the highest sensitivity at the lowest speeds. My gun which is set up as a 2 on 3 washer stack (medium power stack) is very sensitive to changes in the 2nd reg. At around 90 to 100 bar, the tiniest bump will produce a 10 fps difference. I don't pay any attention to the reg gauge as gauges in general are notoriously variable. I only use it when noting a general reference point. I use my chronograph to do all my fine tuning.
 
Another question for you (sorry): what do you mean with “standard reg stack progression of 2 on 3”? I went with (()) and 24 washers (what I have in my p3…) when putting the reg back in, no idea why there where 25 in it but maybe I’m missing something?!
There are 25 because the Mora has greater power range than the P3. The standard Mora stack is 2 on 3 which is equal to 5 stacks in the Mora.
 
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There are 25 because the Mora has greater power range than the P3. The standard Mora stack is 2 on 3 which is equal to 5 stacks in the Mora.
Makes sense! I’ll play with a bit more with the (()) stack since I’m not going to go above 150ish bar and the strings look better and better with more refinement with the valve and reg like you suggested:

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