Thanks for the update Tommy
Only to 250 bar....hmmm
Nope...it stays in the box as a costly reminder not to buy gimmicks + i couldn't sell it in good conscious. I think it is junk
Hope the repairs hold out
Mike
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EaZy Trigger Fill for PCPs
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Only to 250 bar....hmmm
Nope...it stays in the box as a costly reminder not to buy gimmicks + i couldn't sell it in good conscious. I think it is junk
Hope the repairs hold out
Mike
I don't want to be an @rse but where you guys finding 300 bars refilling from a bottle? Especially from those small ones.I tried several times to top up my 14L bottles (I believe these are the largest scba we have seen so far) to 300 bars with multiple last push, after an hour cool down max I was reading on the digital gauge about 280 ish. So I gave up pushing my compressor so hard several runs only to get a very last 10%.
Just asking for a friend
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Getting a fill from a dive shop or a paintbal store, they will fill to 4500 psi.
I tried several times to top up my 14L bottles (I believe these are the largest scba we have seen so far) to 300 bars with multiple last push, after an hour cool down max I was reading on the digital gauge about 280 ish. So I gave up pushing my compressor so hard several runs only to get a very last 10%.
Just asking for a friend
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I refill with a nice slow, cool Shoebox compressor, so I don't lose much of anything on cool down - maybe a few bar, but no more than about 5 or so. So a fill to 4500 psi easily ends up a bit over 300 bar. The first few fills are easily that high out of the 9L, but I used to have the issue you face when all I used was my Joe B Guppy, which I think is a 1.8L or so bottle. That was part of why I added the 9L to the mix . . .
I tried several times to top up my 14L bottles (I believe these are the largest scba we have seen so far) to 300 bars with multiple last push, after an hour cool down max I was reading on the digital gauge about 280 ish. So I gave up pushing my compressor so hard several runs only to get a very last 10%.
Just asking for a friend
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Not only that but $150 is a lot of money for a problematic 1st generation device that is having frequent repair issues from our members.
I wonder if Brian is working on an updated more reliable EzAy fill 2 to replace the first generation. Even if so, I would not pay another $150.
I will report back on this thread once I get the replacement and see how it goes.
Honestly, for some owners like me, I didn’t use it above 250 BAR max fills. I personally can attest that my dive shop fill intervals were longer using the device. I could physically look at my GW tank pressure gauge and easily assess if I was conserving air based on 8-10, or more top off from 175 BAR as an example.
It makes sense if you only bleed once vs 8-10 times during a session that a user must be saving some air from which is in the hose.
But, I understand your frustration and only hope the new one works better.
I’m not holding my breath.
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After thinking more about this 250 bar "recommendation," the more ridiculous and nonsensical I think it is (no offense to you Tom as you were sharing what they said - it's meant for EdGun . . . ).
This device is intended to be used on the output of an SCBA tank to control the amount of air being fed into guns. So by definition, and by design it will be put on full SCBA tanks that will have the valve opened with full pressure applied to the device - so up to 310 bar from a full tank, restraining it all against no restriction until hooked to a gun and opened up to flow air. That is the highest load it will see - when not actually flowing air. If EdGun was worried about the strress of flowing air rather than static load, the worst condition would be filling an empty tank from a full SCBA - a 310 bar active "flowing load" into a zero bar reservoir. As the reservoir fills, the flowing differential drops and thus the flowing load would drop. Stopping at 250 bar leaves a flowing load of ~50 bar, followed by up to ~300 bar "static load" as soon as the valve closes as the 250 bar would be vented - which is the same load the device saw before the fill (technically a bit less as some air from the tank would have been sent to the gun). Filling guns to higher pressures should be no more stress on the fill device as the flow will eventually balance with no "flowing load" occuring at all (which is what happens with high fill guns like thir L2). Do they honestly believe that their "durability issues" are caused by the air that has already flown through the valve?
Bottom line, I think they are just making excuses, as their statements don't even stand up to the physics involved in what they are talking about. So if they are having durability issues, the device is under designed, it is not being misused by anyone, even if the line is left charged for long periods of time - do we expect our SCBA valves to fail because the tanks are full for long periods of time? I'll admit that venting the line when not in use is probably a good safety practice, but it should not be required for longevity of their fill device. If they are having durability issues, EdGun needs to get their act together and either fix or recall the products (or at least offer a discounted exchange program to current owners on an improved version).
I plan to continue to use mine, and may repair it at least once if needed as I already have one repair kit, but I certainly won't be buying another unless it is fixed in the future - nor any other EdGun products, for that matter . . . That said, if it ever does anything I feel is unsafe it will be in the trash ASAP.
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Bingo! They think everyone is a moron. This device had been poorly designed, maybe on purpose...
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Alan, very well said. If… I thought Brian or anyone would listen, I would love to have them read this entire post.
The concept and use are great, kudos to them for the invention. Time to up their game and engineer a much better product!
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