N/A Digital/Electronic PCPs - Brands besides Daystate and Skout?

Doesn't the Thomas have an electronic trigger option?

Having had a few of the daystate electric rifles...they work great. Don't be worried about the electronics failing if they get wet. Don't soak them, but they won't fry in normal rain and hunting scenarios.
Thanks. I was noodling along a few days ago and came across a Daystate Delta Wolf video where one can just dial in the pellet weight, and desired FPS on the screen, and the gun adjusts to that power with a few shots. B.L.E.W. M.Y. M.I.N.D!!

I've always thought that an ideal PCP is one where one can tune power precisely at the drop of a hat without having to turn this or turn that and then chrono over a string. Repeat. Until one gets to the power one wants. This allows one to practice indoors at 10 meters with lightweight target pellets, go to 30 meters outdoors, and then pest control at 100 yards with JSB heavy pellets. With a digital scope like the DNT Zulus, where one can preprogram up to five pellet and speed configurations, one can just use one gun in all scenarios and make adjustments in a couple of minutes.

Can the Daystate Alpha or Delta wolf do this? Or is the adjustment range above too great, and one has to deal with adjusting the regulator pressure?

Anyways, I'm going off topic here...but it is my thread, so I'm taking liberties. LOL! :)
 
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I feel I need to state my opinion here. Electronics are not sustainable. We see it everywhere and in every product that used electronics. These components do not remain available for very long before they are superseded by new ones. This makes existing products effectively disposable simply because they cannot be repaired after component failure. We do not have chip factories in workshops or garages. Making anything that cannot be repaired has no resale value. Everything mechanical can be repaired for 100 years or more. It's your money. Do what you want with it.
 
Thanks. I was noodling along a few days ago and came across a Daystate Delta Wolf video where one can just dial in the pellet weight, and desired FPS on the screen, and the gun adjusts to that power with a few shots. B.L.E.W. M.Y. M.I.N.D!!

I've always thought that an ideal PCP is one where one can tune power precisely at the drop of a hat without having to turn this or turn that and then chrono over a string. Repeat. Until one gets to the power one wants. This allows one to practice indoors at 10 meters with lightweight target pellets, go to 30 meters outdoors, and then pest control at 100 yards with JSB heavy pellets. With a digital scope like the DNT Zulus, where one can preprogram up to five pellet and speed configurations, one can just use one gun in all scenarios and make adjustments in a couple of minutes.

Can the Daystate Alpha or Delta wolf do this? Or is the adjustment range above too great, and one has to deal with adjusting the regulator pressure? (I'm not sure how difficult it is to adjust the regular pressure. With some guns, one has to degas the entire tube first.)

Anyways, I'm going off topic here...but it is my thread, so I'm taking liberties. LOL! :)
Your assumptions on adjustability are impractical. It takes time to achieve accuracy. Adjusting these guns in anyway forces the entire process o start again. It is not like hitting a light switch you know..
 
Electronic components are always replaceable, it's just a circuit which any competent professional or ammeter electronics engineer could fix,
as for accuracy, I can switch between two different pellet weights and because I know my aim points, the accuracy doesn't change.
Of course they are not. Once demand falls, the factory retools the production line. Availability goes away once premade shelf stock is depleted. Factory retooling rarely occurs. It is simply too expensive for the available market.
 
Of course they are not. Once demand falls, the factory retools the production line. Availability goes away once premade shelf stock is depleted. Factory retooling rarely occurs. It is simply too expensive for the available market.
The individual electronic components will always be available in one form or another, there is nothing spacial about them, if you want to think otherwise it's up to you.
 
Thanks. I was noodling along a few days ago and came across a Daystate Delta Wolf video where one can just dial in the pellet weight, and desired FPS on the screen, and the gun adjusts to that power with a few shots. B.L.E.W. M.Y. M.I.N.D!!

I've always thought that an ideal PCP is one where one can tune power precisely at the drop of a hat without having to turn this or turn that and then chrono over a string. Repeat. Until one gets to the power one wants. This allows one to practice indoors at 10 meters with lightweight target pellets, go to 30 meters outdoors, and then pest control at 100 yards with JSB heavy pellets. With a digital scope like the DNT Zulus, where one can preprogram up to five pellet and speed configurations, one can just use one gun in all scenarios and make adjustments in a couple of minutes.

Can the Daystate Alpha or Delta wolf do this? Or is the adjustment range above too great, and one has to deal with adjusting the regulator pressure?

Anyways, I'm going off topic here...but it is my thread, so I'm taking liberties. LOL! :)
Yes they can. I have an alpha wolf and it is the best platform I have used or owned. Mine is .25 caliber with a reg setting of 150 bar I can shoot 33.95 gr , 30 gr and 25.39 gr in the 880 fps range using the factory mode and just letting the gun find the speed. Does take several shots but it works and all those pellets are incredibly accurate. I will just say in my mind some opinions stated in this thread are just flat out ridiculous but your call. Great guns to find on the used market as they are much cheaper than new.
 
Yes they can. I have an alpha wolf and it is the best platform I have used or owned. Mine is .25 caliber with a reg setting of 150 bar I can shoot 33.95 gr , 30 gr and 25.39 gr in the 880 fps range using the factory mode and just letting the gun find the speed. Does take several shots but it works and all those pellets are incredibly accurate. I will just say in my mind some opinions stated in this thread are just flat out ridiculous but your call. Great guns to find on the used market as they are much cheaper than new.
I want to concur with Trucker here and add a couple of things. The velocity can be selected and will work pretty well but there are some limitations without adjusting the reg. Once you get the hang of degassing to adjust the reg, it's not much time to make changes. I have 177, 20, 22, 25, and 30 cal barrels amd probes and going from one caliber to another is a few minutes depending on if you need to move the shroud and changing pellet weight is half a minute or so.
I very much disagree with Steve-I but he can have his opinion. When you first work with a pellet, you might need to spend a little time finding the best velocity but after that, it's just a matter of selecting it. The barrels are fairly heavy and well supported, so harmonics are less of an issue than on some other airguns. They will still be there, just not as dramatic.
The DW is far from perfect, but still pretty darned good if you like the form and especially if experimenting or changing ammo much.
Bob
 
I want to concur with Trucker here and add a couple of things. The velocity can be selected and will work pretty well but there are some limitations without adjusting the reg. Once you get the hang of degassing to adjust the reg, it's not much time to make changes. I have 177, 20, 22, 25, and 30 cal barrels amd probes and going from one caliber to another is a few minutes depending on if you need to move the shroud and changing pellet weight is half a minute or so.
I very much disagree with Steve-I but he can have his opinion. When you first work with a pellet, you might need to spend a little time finding the best velocity but after that, it's just a matter of selecting it. The barrels are fairly heavy and well supported, so harmonics are less of an issue than on some other airguns. They will still be there, just not as dramatic.
The DW is far from perfect, but still pretty darned good if you like the form and especially if experimenting or changing ammo much.
Bob
Well said. Yeah you still will have to set the reg appropriately to the caliber etc you are using. The beauty of it is you just have to ballpark it. Doesn’t need to be exact like a mechanical gun. My biggest complaints about the platform are no off switch and worse battery life than Skout. Minor nuisances.
 
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I want to concur with Trucker here and add a couple of things. The velocity can be selected and will work pretty well but there are some limitations without adjusting the reg. Once you get the hang of degassing to adjust the reg, it's not much time to make changes. I have 177, 20, 22, 25, and 30 cal barrels amd probes and going from one caliber to another is a few minutes depending on if you need to move the shroud and changing pellet weight is half a minute or so.
I very much disagree with Steve-I but he can have his opinion. When you first work with a pellet, you might need to spend a little time finding the best velocity but after that, it's just a matter of selecting it. The barrels are fairly heavy and well supported, so harmonics are less of an issue than on some other airguns. They will still be there, just not as dramatic.
The DW is far from perfect, but still pretty darned good if you like the form and especially if experimenting or changing ammo much.
Bob
Thanks. Pretty remarkable - as with most things, there are tradeoffs. The pros on these electronic system are remarkable.

Do you use the factory presents or advanced personal presets? Advanced seem to give better ES once set based on a post I came across.
 
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I'm not against using the Factory mode but mostly use Advanced because I have Sets for about all my usual projectiles.

One pro that I think is understated is the no cocking effort. I cycle the DW with just my thumb when shooting from a bench or sticks... flick it open... flick it closed. I REALLY like my Red Wolf thumb shifters(my name for them) ... They are from K & L and I wish he was more consistent with his production ... Would recommend them to EVERYONE with a Red Wolf ... in mentioning that , though, my wife doesn't like them, so maybe not everyone will feel the same. They are nice to run, though. I think that's why I thumb flick my DW.
Bob
 
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Thanks. Pretty remarkable - as with most things, there are tradeoffs. The pros on these electronic system are remarkable.

Do you use the factory presents or advanced personal presets? Advanced seem to give better ES once set based on a post I came across.
I use both. The advanced kind of give better extreme spreads. Obviously the shots the gun uses to find speed in factory mode throw the ES way off. However once it finds the spot it is really good especially if you are shooting projectiles that are conducive to your reg setting. Mine for example, at 150 bar will shoot 33.95 gr in the 880’s super consistent. When you switch to 25.39 at 880 you lose some tightness in factory as the reg pressure is much more than needed for what you are doing. It still isn’t bad though. The factory mode is just easier.
 
I've always thought that an ideal PCP is one where one can tune power precisely at the drop of a hat without having to turn this or turn that and then chrono over a string. Repeat. Until one gets to the power one wants. This allows one to practice indoors at 10 meters with lightweight target pellets, go to 30 meters outdoors, and then pest control at 100 yards with JSB heavy pellets. With a digital scope like the DNT Zulus, where one can preprogram up to five pellet and speed configurations, one can just use one gun in all scenarios and make adjustments in a couple of minutes.
This is a bit off topic, but since @Ultralight brought it up and it was his thread to start with . . . ;)

Honestly, if you want that feature, you might find the Huben K1 to be your best shot at it. It is purely mechanical, but the power wheel does an amazingly repeatable switch in power, and again - it is very repeatable. My .22 K1 regulator is set at about 110 bar, and I have in "nominally" to shoot 18.1 grain pellets ~910 fps, and I position the power wheel with a sharpie mark at 12:00 when looking at it with the muzzle pointed up (the wheel can be positioned however you want it, and then tighten the screw locks it down to the wheel with the detents in it). From there a few clicks counter clockwise (to about 9:00) will raise it to about 970 fps. If I go counter clockwise around to 9:00 again (so 3/4 of a turn from the "nominal"position) it will shoot at about 490 FPS, and it can go lower than that if wanted. The amazing thing is that the speed is very repeatable at any given wheel setting, regardless of where it was set before then.

I was so amazed by this that I ran a unique test a few years back - I loaded up an alternating stack of three different pellets - JSB 25.4s, 18.1s, and 15.9 Hades that all shoot well in the gun. I shot the Monsters at ~42 FPE, the 19.1s at ~32 FPE and the Hedes at ~22 FPE, alternating between three targets in that order, adjusting the power wheel for each shot, verifying speed over the chrony, with each pellet weight going to its own target. The result? Three very good tight groups of five, admittedly at different POIs, and all shot in an acceptable velocity spread for each pellet weight.

I don't have the scope you refer to, but I am familiar with them and they would work great with this gun. As it is for mine, I only load up 18.1s now but I do vary the power as needed and have learned the hold over adjustments needed for the lower power situations I shoot in.

I'm not taking anything away from the Daystates here on this, but for this one "trick" I think the Huben just possibly can't be beat - the ability to shift power by a full order of magnitude with no "normalizing shots" in between is incredible. OF course one has to put the work in before hand to know what the results will be, but once known they are repeatable.

I also have a Sidewinder but I find the power wheel in it is a lot more vague than the Huben, which has solid repeatable clicks . . .
 
This is a bit off topic, but since @Ultralight brought it up and it was his thread to start with . . . ;)

Honestly, if you want that feature, you might find the Huben K1 to be your best shot at it. It is purely mechanical, but the power wheel does an amazingly repeatable switch in power, and again - it is very repeatable. My .22 K1 regulator is set at about 110 bar, and I have in "nominally" to shoot 18.1 grain pellets ~910 fps, and I position the power wheel with a sharpie mark at 12:00 when looking at it with the muzzle pointed up (the wheel can be positioned however you want it, and then tighten the screw locks it down to the wheel with the detents in it). From there a few clicks counter clockwise (to about 9:00) will raise it to about 970 fps. If I go counter clockwise around to 9:00 again (so 3/4 of a turn from the "nominal"position) it will shoot at about 490 FPS, and it can go lower than that if wanted. The amazing thing is that the speed is very repeatable at any given wheel setting, regardless of where it was set before then.

I was so amazed by this that I ran a unique test a few years back - I loaded up an alternating stack of three different pellets - JSB 25.4s, 18.1s, and 15.9 Hades that all shoot well in the gun. I shot the Monsters at ~42 FPE, the 19.1s at ~32 FPE and the Hedes at ~22 FPE, alternating between three targets in that order, adjusting the power wheel for each shot, verifying speed over the chrony, with each pellet weight going to its own target. The result? Three very good tight groups of five, admittedly at different POIs, and all shot in an acceptable velocity spread for each pellet weight.

I don't have the scope you refer to, but I am familiar with them and they would work great with this gun. As it is for mine, I only load up 18.1s now but I do vary the power as needed and have learned the hold over adjustments needed for the lower power situations I shoot in.

I'm not taking anything away from the Daystates here on this, but for this one "trick" I think the Huben just possibly can't be beat - the ability to shift power by a full order of magnitude with no "normalizing shots" in between is incredible. OF course one has to put the work in before hand to know what the results will be, but once known they are repeatable.

I also have a Sidewinder but I find the power wheel in it is a lot more vague than the Huben, which has solid repeatable clicks . . .
I don't know if it can "beat" it, but my Red Wolf with Heliboard can do what you're suggesting. Very repeatable and very wide range of power... all with a voltage adjustment . Admittedly , it can be a LITTLE slower than a dial, but still pretty easy, quick, and repeatable. That's the one thing I prefer on it over the DW... no reg to adjust... but still very good velocity control over a very wide range.
Bob