Thanks. I thought I came across a post mentioning yet another maker but I do not recall. Thanks for the info.
Thanks. I was noodling along a few days ago and came across a Daystate Delta Wolf video where one can just dial in the pellet weight, and desired FPS on the screen, and the gun adjusts to that power with a few shots. B.L.E.W. M.Y. M.I.N.D!!
Your assumptions on adjustability are impractical. It takes time to achieve accuracy. Adjusting these guns in anyway forces the entire process o start again. It is not like hitting a light switch you know..Thanks. I was noodling along a few days ago and came across a Daystate Delta Wolf video where one can just dial in the pellet weight, and desired FPS on the screen, and the gun adjusts to that power with a few shots. B.L.E.W. M.Y. M.I.N.D!!
I've always thought that an ideal PCP is one where one can tune power precisely at the drop of a hat without having to turn this or turn that and then chrono over a string. Repeat. Until one gets to the power one wants. This allows one to practice indoors at 10 meters with lightweight target pellets, go to 30 meters outdoors, and then pest control at 100 yards with JSB heavy pellets. With a digital scope like the DNT Zulus, where one can preprogram up to five pellet and speed configurations, one can just use one gun in all scenarios and make adjustments in a couple of minutes.
Can the Daystate Alpha or Delta wolf do this? Or is the adjustment range above too great, and one has to deal with adjusting the regulator pressure? (I'm not sure how difficult it is to adjust the regular pressure. With some guns, one has to degas the entire tube first.)
Anyways, I'm going off topic here...but it is my thread, so I'm taking liberties. LOL!
Of course they are not. Once demand falls, the factory retools the production line. Availability goes away once premade shelf stock is depleted. Factory retooling rarely occurs. It is simply too expensive for the available market.
The individual electronic components will always be available in one form or another, there is nothing spacial about them, if you want to think otherwise it's up to you.
Yes they can. I have an alpha wolf and it is the best platform I have used or owned. Mine is .25 caliber with a reg setting of 150 bar I can shoot 33.95 gr , 30 gr and 25.39 gr in the 880 fps range using the factory mode and just letting the gun find the speed. Does take several shots but it works and all those pellets are incredibly accurate. I will just say in my mind some opinions stated in this thread are just flat out ridiculous but your call. Great guns to find on the used market as they are much cheaper than new.Thanks. I was noodling along a few days ago and came across a Daystate Delta Wolf video where one can just dial in the pellet weight, and desired FPS on the screen, and the gun adjusts to that power with a few shots. B.L.E.W. M.Y. M.I.N.D!!
I've always thought that an ideal PCP is one where one can tune power precisely at the drop of a hat without having to turn this or turn that and then chrono over a string. Repeat. Until one gets to the power one wants. This allows one to practice indoors at 10 meters with lightweight target pellets, go to 30 meters outdoors, and then pest control at 100 yards with JSB heavy pellets. With a digital scope like the DNT Zulus, where one can preprogram up to five pellet and speed configurations, one can just use one gun in all scenarios and make adjustments in a couple of minutes.
Can the Daystate Alpha or Delta wolf do this? Or is the adjustment range above too great, and one has to deal with adjusting the regulator pressure?
Anyways, I'm going off topic here...but it is my thread, so I'm taking liberties. LOL!
I want to concur with Trucker here and add a couple of things. The velocity can be selected and will work pretty well but there are some limitations without adjusting the reg. Once you get the hang of degassing to adjust the reg, it's not much time to make changes. I have 177, 20, 22, 25, and 30 cal barrels amd probes and going from one caliber to another is a few minutes depending on if you need to move the shroud and changing pellet weight is half a minute or so.
Well said. Yeah you still will have to set the reg appropriately to the caliber etc you are using. The beauty of it is you just have to ballpark it. Doesn’t need to be exact like a mechanical gun. My biggest complaints about the platform are no off switch and worse battery life than Skout. Minor nuisances.
Thanks. Pretty remarkable - as with most things, there are tradeoffs. The pros on these electronic system are remarkable.
I use both. The advanced kind of give better extreme spreads. Obviously the shots the gun uses to find speed in factory mode throw the ES way off. However once it finds the spot it is really good especially if you are shooting projectiles that are conducive to your reg setting. Mine for example, at 150 bar will shoot 33.95 gr in the 880’s super consistent. When you switch to 25.39 at 880 you lose some tightness in factory as the reg pressure is much more than needed for what you are doing. It still isn’t bad though. The factory mode is just easier.
This is a bit off topic, but since @Ultralight brought it up and it was his thread to start with . . .
I don't know if it can "beat" it, but my Red Wolf with Heliboard can do what you're suggesting. Very repeatable and very wide range of power... all with a voltage adjustment . Admittedly , it can be a LITTLE slower than a dial, but still pretty easy, quick, and repeatable. That's the one thing I prefer on it over the DW... no reg to adjust... but still very good velocity control over a very wide range.This is a bit off topic, but since @Ultralight brought it up and it was his thread to start with . . .
Honestly, if you want that feature, you might find the Huben K1 to be your best shot at it. It is purely mechanical, but the power wheel does an amazingly repeatable switch in power, and again - it is very repeatable. My .22 K1 regulator is set at about 110 bar, and I have in "nominally" to shoot 18.1 grain pellets ~910 fps, and I position the power wheel with a sharpie mark at 12:00 when looking at it with the muzzle pointed up (the wheel can be positioned however you want it, and then tighten the screw locks it down to the wheel with the detents in it). From there a few clicks counter clockwise (to about 9:00) will raise it to about 970 fps. If I go counter clockwise around to 9:00 again (so 3/4 of a turn from the "nominal"position) it will shoot at about 490 FPS, and it can go lower than that if wanted. The amazing thing is that the speed is very repeatable at any given wheel setting, regardless of where it was set before then.
I was so amazed by this that I ran a unique test a few years back - I loaded up an alternating stack of three different pellets - JSB 25.4s, 18.1s, and 15.9 Hades that all shoot well in the gun. I shot the Monsters at ~42 FPE, the 19.1s at ~32 FPE and the Hedes at ~22 FPE, alternating between three targets in that order, adjusting the power wheel for each shot, verifying speed over the chrony, with each pellet weight going to its own target. The result? Three very good tight groups of five, admittedly at different POIs, and all shot in an acceptable velocity spread for each pellet weight.
I don't have the scope you refer to, but I am familiar with them and they would work great with this gun. As it is for mine, I only load up 18.1s now but I do vary the power as needed and have learned the hold over adjustments needed for the lower power situations I shoot in.
I'm not taking anything away from the Daystates here on this, but for this one "trick" I think the Huben just possibly can't be beat - the ability to shift power by a full order of magnitude with no "normalizing shots" in between is incredible. OF course one has to put the work in before hand to know what the results will be, but once known they are repeatable.
I also have a Sidewinder but I find the power wheel in it is a lot more vague than the Huben, which has solid repeatable clicks . . .
