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[Law191]

Hi,

I've recently bought a bullpup PCP .177 with real world FPS of around 850 for sub 10 grains pallets.

I'm a complete newbie here so will be looking for a lot of guidance, including how to take care of the airgun, improve accuracy and possibly gun mods to modify power etc.

Right now, I'll just post the photo of what I've.

 

[Gerry52]

Welcome aboard! The search bar here is your friend. SOOO much helpful information to be had here from the most basic to very highly technical stuff (that's way over my "pay grade"). Mostly good, helpful folks are found here. Enjoy the ride.

 

[JimD]

Welcome. As you probably know, you will need more "stuff". A source of high pressure air (a hand pump, compressor, and/or tank (with a way to fill it), a Scope and mounts, targets, pellets and a chronograph. Many skip the chronograph initially but I think it is vital. You will want to understand your velocity and tune the gun and you need a chronograph for that. An inexpensive ($20-30) chinese made one will be very useful.

Is your gun regulated? Either way will work well but the tuning process is different for regulated guns versus unregulated.

 

[Law191]

Welcome aboard! The search bar here is your friend. SOOO much helpful information to be had here from the most basic to very highly technical stuff (that's way over my "pay grade"). Mostly good, helpful folks are found here. Enjoy the ride.

Thanks! And yes, already using search bar.

Welcome. As you probably know, you will need more "stuff". A source of high pressure air (a hand pump, compressor, and/or tank (with a way to fill it), a Scope and mounts, targets, pellets and a chronograph. Many skip the chronograph initially but I think it is vital. You will want to understand your velocity and tune the gun and you need a chronograph for that. An inexpensive ($20-30) chinese made one will be very useful.

Is your gun regulated? Either way will work well but the tuning process is different for regulated guns versus unregulated.

I bought a bundle deal, learned my lesson from archery, when starting out buying a bundle is the better deal.

Here are full contents.
1. One PX120 Minotaur -X3 Air Rifle (with INTEGRATED SUPPRESSOR)
2. One Discovery VTR 4-16×42 AOAC with mounts
3. One Stage 4 PCP Hand Pump 4500 PSI 310 Bar
4. Pack of 500 Pellets


Good point about chrono, will look into it. The gun is not regulated, but it fires most consistently between 180 and 200 bars.

 

[JimD]

Plan to shoot a shot string from the full maximum fill pressure to as low as you find the velocity useful. I like to shoot targets while I do this so I am gaining some accuracy information at the same time. You will learn from the shot curve the maximum velocity you can get and the pressure that gives it to you (by looking at the gauge occasionally and recording that too). The curve also tells you the maximum velocity variation and how much it varies over more limited pressure ranges (like your 180 to 200 bars). Nothing says you have to do it in one setting. You could start with 180 to 200 and possibly do other pressure ranges later. If you shoot targets you can get an idea of the effect of the velocity variation on the point of impact. I used to do this at 25 yards but I do it at 30 yards now. That is just for convenience.

As you probably know, there are lots of 177 pellets but I don't know what you have in India. JSB and to a lesser degree H&N are popular. Crossmans are favored by some mainly because they are inexpensive here. JTS is an up and coming brand. CYS seem to be popular in England, I have not see them in the U. S.. Accuracy is often mainly determined by finding a pellet your gun likes to shoot.

 

[cavedweller]

Thanks! And yes, already using search bar.





I bought a bundle deal, learned my lesson from archery, when starting out buying a bundle is the better deal.

Here are full contents.
1. One PX120 Minotaur -X3 Air Rifle (with INTEGRATED SUPPRESSOR)
2. One Discovery VTR 4-16×42 AOAC with mounts
3. One Stage 4 PCP Hand Pump 4500 PSI 310 Bar
4. Pack of 500 Pellets


Good point about chrono, will look into it. The gun is not regulated, but it fires most consistently between 180 and 200 bars.

Congrats and welcome

 

[MongooseV8]

Welcome, cool looking first pcp congrats.

 

[Law191]

Plan to shoot a shot string from the full maximum fill pressure to as low as you find the velocity useful. I like to shoot targets while I do this so I am gaining some accuracy information at the same time. You will learn from the shot curve the maximum velocity you can get and the pressure that gives it to you (by looking at the gauge occasionally and recording that too). The curve also tells you the maximum velocity variation and how much it varies over more limited pressure ranges (like your 180 to 200 bars). Nothing says you have to do it in one setting. You could start with 180 to 200 and possibly do other pressure ranges later. If you shoot targets you can get an idea of the effect of the velocity variation on the point of impact. I used to do this at 25 yards but I do it at 30 yards now. That is just for convenience.

As you probably know, there are lots of 177 pellets but I don't know what you have in India. JSB and to a lesser degree H&N are popular. Crossmans are favored by some mainly because they are inexpensive here. JTS is an up and coming brand. CYS seem to be popular in England, I have not see them in the U. S.. Accuracy is often mainly determined by finding a pellet your gun likes to shoot.

Right now, I've only shot gun maker's own pellet, which tends to sway more beyond 25 mtrs if there is even a little bit wind.

I've received one pellet box of Gsmith and Co. which is of the same grain as the gun maker's pellet which came for testing with the gun. 8.37 grain. Haven't shot those yet, so I don't know how they will work out, but other shooters say they are mostly the same as gun company pellet.

I've seen on YouTube Indian shooters suggesting JSB and H&N too, but they shoot with higher grains.

Just curious, I did not see anywhere mentioned this, but is it fine to shoot slugs too or not? Some YouTubers shoot it, will it damage my gun barrel if I shot, let's say slug of 13grin approx?

Will this gun work out for small game like rat and pigeon hunting too? If yes, what should be realistic expectation and combo? I have compared FPS claimed by companies, and this gun seems on the weaker side for even company claimed specs. Others like Diana have more fps.

 

[Ratzy]

Right now, I've only shot gun maker's own pellet, which tends to sway more beyond 25 mtrs if there is even a little bit wind.

I've received one pellet box of Gsmith and Co. which is of the same grain as the gun maker's pellet which came for testing with the gun. 8.37 grain. Haven't shot those yet, so I don't know how they will work out, but other shooters say they are mostly the same as gun company pellet.

I've seen on YouTube Indian shooters suggesting JSB and H&N too, but they shoot with higher grains.

Just curious, I did not see anywhere mentioned this is fine to shoot slugs too, but some YouTubers shoot it, will it damage my gun barrel if I shot, let's say slug of 13grin approx?

Will this gun work out for small game like rat and pigeon hunting too? If yes, what should be realistic expectation and combo? I have compared FPS claimed by companies, and this gun seems on the weaker side for even company claimed specs. Others like Diana have more fps.

Small game like rats is probably okay with a .177. It is a matter of shot placement given the power. You need to hit something critical like head or heart. Very easy to just wound and not kill.

 

[Law191]

Small game like rats is probably okay with a .177. It is a matter of shot placement given the power. You need to hit something critical like head or heart. Very easy to just wound and not kill.

Understood, so it will mostly work as deterrence for anything bigger than rat rather than killer.

 

[Ratzy]

Understood, so it will mostly work as deterrence for anything bigger than rat rather than killer.

You're going to take some heat for "deterrence".

 

[Law191]

You're going to take some heat for "deterrence".

Am I stepping some toes here? If yes, I do not know the subject, I have a small farm infested with rats and sometimes wild rabbits and dogs destroy it, so yeah, that seemed like a logical application.

 

[Ratzy]

Am I stepping some toes here? If yes, I do not know the subject, I have a small farm infested with rats and sometimes wild rabbits and dogs destroy it, so yeah, that seemed like a logical application.

There is a definite bend towards "ethical kills". Specifically head shots, no deterrence.

For rabbits a .22 or .25 is probably more appropriate. Umarex Zelos, Reximex Throne 2, AirForce Condor, Talon, Escape all fit the need and are under $1,000.

AirForce outlet you can sometimes get a deal on a .22 or .25 for around $360. For a farm gun the AirForce utility guns are great. Simple, robust and as long as the barrel is clear hit what you are aiming at. Dirt, dust, grime they just keep shooting. Only orings are 4 in the valve attached to the bottle. Single shot but quick and easy to reload.

 

[Law191]

There is a definite bend towards "ethical kills". Specifically head shots, no deterrence.

For rabbits a .22 or .25 is probably more appropriate. Umarex Zelos, Reximex Throne 2, AirForce Condor, Talon, Escape all fit the need and are under $1,000.

AirForce outlet you can sometimes get a deal on a .22 or .25 for around $360. For a farm gun the AirForce utility guns are great. Simple, robust and as long as the barrel is clear hit what you are aiming at. Dirt, dust, grime they just keep shooting. Only orings are 4 in the valve attached to the bottle. Single shot but quick and easy to reload.

.22 in India requires a license. Which I'm not able to have atm, might in future so I can only explore that at that time.

Trust me when I say, I also wanted .22. That airforce gun sounds like an ideal farm gun, low maintenance, easy to use and single shot reloads.

Actually hunting (though I'm not clear about extent) is considered illegal too.