N/A old man that is newby to air guns

hey guys i am new to the air gun world,, i see a lot has changed since my daisy red ryder bb gun.

looking in to a break barrel stout enough to knock out groundhogs ,, thinking 25 cal,,
but which one? there are quite few choices. my maximum distance will be around 40 to 50 yards hopefully closer.

hatsan has a few in my price range.. i am looking at 300 to 350 for my budget. is this possible ? and cost of decent scope too.

thanks
doc martin
 
No, better off with powder burner......yes, if spending more money,you need a good springer rated scope;a accurate .25 that you can cock easy....and be able to place the shot in the head......
That is a pessimistic view, others probably will have a more optimistic take,the bottom line is you,can you shot a springer good enough to do what you want?
 
No, better off with powder burner......yes, if spending more money,you need a good springer rated scope;a accurate .25 that you can cock easy....and be able to place the shot in the head......
That is a pessimistic view, others probably will have a more optimistic take,the bottom line is you,can you shot a springer good enough to do what you want?
well my shooting ability is still pretty good,, my problem is i now have neighbors i didn't have 10 years ago and my 22 mag just cracks the whole world when it goes off. i shot a couple of air rifles with open sights and at 20 yards i had a nice group
 
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YES you can do what you want BUT (their is that word again ) it will probably be a lot of wounded GH's before you learn how to shoot a springer that well .
Can you build a blind to cut the distance in half ?

EDIT this was typed before reading post #3 but the blind to sit in is still a good idea .
 
i am looking at those 1 way set up blinds ,you can see out but they can't see in... i could set it up back towards the barn and shop and get it down to 20 or 30 yards perhaps. i am figuring (and i may be wrong) a 25 at 750 with 24 to 25 pfe would do the trick.
i see that a company called barska has some nice looking scopes that have 3 year warranty made for air gun recoil,,, ever heard of them?
 
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I am new as well and soaking in the wisdom of everyone on here. I think you'll be able to find what you need. Maybe check the classifieds. You might get lucky and find a really nice one in that budget range if you are not in a hurry. Here is a video of a guy hunting jack rabbits with a PCP that I enjoyed watching:

Good luck and happy hunting.
 
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hey guys i am new to the air gun world,, i see a lot has changed since my daisy red ryder bb gun.

looking in to a break barrel stout enough to knock out groundhogs ,, thinking 25 cal,,
but which one? there are quite few choices. my maximum distance will be around 40 to 50 yards hopefully closer.

hatsan has a few in my price range.. i am looking at 300 to 350 for my budget. is this possible ? and cost of decent scope too.

thanks
doc martin
There is the whole springers ruin scopes thing, so I would suggest increase the budget $100 and get a PCP Barra 250z .22 or .25. Also get a Vevor compressor for $150. Then spend another $100-200 for a moderator. Whisper quiet & power to to make clean kills. Athlon has some great value scopes, if you can get them at non tariff increased prices.
 
There is the whole springers ruin scopes thing, so I would suggest increase the budget $100 and get a PCP Barra 250z .22 or .25. Also get a Vevor compressor for $150. Then spend another $100-200 for a moderator. Whisper quiet & power to to make clean kills. Athlon has some great value scopes, if you can get them at non tariff increased prices.
so now its 700 dollars,,, gun , compressor, and moderator, scope. i just want to cock a gun and shot a Ghog. silly me to think it was that simple... LOL
 
shooting a springer is something you have to learn,practice and you will get good at it ,it is the spring in it ,it bounces both ways.thus it takes some getting used to;plus that is also what ruins scopes.Acheap Center Poinbt scope can work,say $100 for scope ,now add the price of your Hatsan..... practice and more practice.The thing to remember it is a lot harder than shooting a .22 mag.
 
Even if you focus on buying used, it will be difficult to find a quality (accurate) spring gun in the $300-350 price range. HW50s or hw95 are great options if you can find one in your price range. Hatsan spring guns have mixed reviews for quality and accuracy.

A Umarex notos PCP, with a hand pump and a budget scope, would likely be a better option and give you a lot of capability for your $$$.

Good luck choosing
R
 
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Even if you focus on buying used, it will be difficult to find a quality (accurate) spring gun in the $300-350 price range. HW50s or hw95 are great options if you can find one in your price range. Hatsan spring guns have mixed reviews for quality and accuracy.

A Umarex notos PCP, with a hand pump and a budget scope, would likely be a better option and give you a lot of capability for your $$$.

Good luck choosing
R
I too are an OLD MAN and just the thought of a hand pump increases my pain ! ;)
 
@banjopicker - I tried a $300 .25 springer. It sits in my attic now. I could not hit the broadside of a barn when I am standing inside of it with the damn thing. Horrible.

Another vote for the Notos / mini carbine. Will be enough power for humane kills and easy on your budget. The Notos will be easy to hand pump. It has a small air reservoir good for 20? shots. That's a lot of whistle pigs.

Youtube is your friend. Watch some videos


OR, there is this rifle. Looks very interesting. Comes with a decent scope. Adjustable power. Might be a great choice in .22

 
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hey guys i am new to the air gun world,, i see a lot has changed since my daisy red ryder bb gun.

looking in to a break barrel stout enough to knock out groundhogs ,, thinking 25 cal,,
but which one? there are quite few choices. my maximum distance will be around 40 to 50 yards hopefully closer.

hatsan has a few in my price range.. i am looking at 300 to 350 for my budget. is this possible ? and cost of decent scope too.

thanks
doc martin
It is long, it is heavy, it is a beast
Umarex Gauntlet SL25

But then you need a moderator (neighbors) and a compressor (old like me).

So figure $500-700

Good cheap moderator: Reximex Silent Force. Only place I've found it sharg.pl in Poland. Less than $50 shipped.

Compressors run anywhere from $125 on up. AliExpress is pretty place to shop for them, look for "ships from US"
 
hey guys i am new to the air gun world,, i see a lot has changed since my daisy red ryder bb gun.

looking in to a break barrel stout enough to knock out groundhogs ,, thinking 25 cal,,
but which one? there are quite few choices. my maximum distance will be around 40 to 50 yards hopefully closer.

hatsan has a few in my price range.. i am looking at 300 to 350 for my budget. is this possible ? and cost of decent scope too.

thanks
doc martin
I'm an old guy as well, but still pretty sharp, I got into air guns about seven years ago when ammo prices became unaffordable and unobtainable, then Covid hit and the shooting sports went into the toilet, I found that I really enjoyed air guns, and I could shoot in my back yard, for cheap.
I know I'm going to piss off some folks here but that can't be helped, there are some good folks here with allot of good advice, but there are also a bunch of so called experts that like to hear themselves talk and don't know crap about what they are talking about.
I'm here to tell you that there's nothing wrong with break barrel air rifles, you just need to do your research before buying, also you don't have to break the piggy bank to buy a good one, there are several great shooting air rifles on the market for under $150.00, I have a few that are better than any of the high price offerings.
If you are just starting out stay away from PCP, stick with the basics, caliber wise I have rifles in .177, .20, and .22 caliber, I really don't see any advantage with .25 and .30 caliber air guns for general shooting or small game hunting, there are advantages to each of the three base calibers but all three will get the job done within reasonable ranges (under 50 yds), providing you have enough power.
For an all around rifle either a springer or a gas pistol rifle will work fine, accuracy is marginal in most budget priced rifles, however there are a few that excell, you want to have approx. 12~ 15 FPE. for hunting small to medium sized game, shot placement is critical.
If you want suggestions for a budget friendly or mid priced air rifle that shoots way above it's price point PM me, I don't mind helping out.
Two things you can expect when purchasing budget friendly air rifles is horrible triggers, and junk scopes, the triggers can be smoothed out fairly easily, and junk scopes can be replaced with decent lower priced scopes.
One air rifle that I can suggest that is very accurate, easy to shoot, well balanced, great looking, reliable, and powerful enough for taking ground hogs, and has a great trigger out of the box along with a good scope is the Diana mod. two fifty in either .177 or .22 caliber, and it's selling for about $150.00.
Good luck my friend, the best advice I can give you is to do your research, watch u-tube reviews and read positive posts before making a choice, listen to your head, and don't put allot of stock in the words of the so called experts.
 
I would also like to add, .177 and.22 pellets are much easier to get locally. My last 2 air rifles I've bought were springer/gas piston. I do like the simplicity of a springer or even a pump pellet rifle. I don't know what the fpe is required for a GH as I've never shot much less seen one. I shot springers for 30 years before I ever got a PCP. Like has been said, practice, practice, practice is the key to shooting a springer .
 
With suppressor, but if he's got neighbors and someone calls the law, saying you are just shooting a pellet gun, come off much better. Lol
Only if firing a firearm is restricted at his location. I can shoot anything I want on my new property. If discharging a firearm is illegal there so might be a pellet gun. It was at my old address. I would be arrested for shooting a pellet gun as quickly as shooting a firearm. This is really a matter of regional legality. If it's legal to use a firearm. Use one. The subsonic part is just to be considerate. No suppressor is needed. Some PCPs are louder than subsonic 22lr. If you're within the law you should shoot what you want. Whatever it is.