12fpe Umarex Notos

[Dairyboy]

I bought the Notos to use in our barn where pigeons roost and make a mess. I however don't like shooting more than 12-15fpe at max in there. No point. So my goal is to tune it to 12fpe. Taking it out of the box I was very impressed with the build honestly. Feels much nicer than a $250 gun.

Only knock to that is I see a Phillips screw or 2 on the gun and I think that makes it look cheap. Most screws i see are allen screws so why they used a phillips at all seems silly. Not a fan of the safety but I've had worse. Mag takes alittle to get aligned as pushing it all the way is a hair too far. Trigger a tad heavy once adjusted nicely but I can fix that. Fill probe I just don't like them, but do like it's a one piece machined probe.

Those are my negatives out of the way, now the good. It feels really good in the hand. Really lightweight yet solid feel. The cocking lever while I wish it was on the other side, it feels really nice and smooth. The trigger like I said while heavy, is actually quite crisp and predictable once adjusted. Gun is quiet. Shroud does its job and actually the barrel seems very stable. Happy about that. The pic rail is nice having all that room available to mount basically anything you'd like. And my quick accuracy testing shows it does very well. No paper just shooting dirt clods to get roughly sighted in.

Let me say this I've done the Prod before. Regulated, tactical stock and LDC. What roughly $600 total? Benjamin should be embarrassed by selling a stock Prod for what I've seen $380 the cheapest at Utah Airguns. This gun puts it to shame even when upgraded as above. I was a Benjamin fan for along time, with the Mrod mainly but as a company they have severely fallen behind on the new offerings out.

Anyways so my Notos I mounted a Swapfox red dot and it fits perfectly. Before I shot the gun I tore it apart and took off the air tube to adjust the regulator down. Impressed with the machining. I adjusted the reg down one half turn. I then removed hammer spring and cut off 3 coils off the spring. Put it back together and seems to still be shooting faster than 12fpe. However I shot 4 mags and went from 3500psi to 2200psi. So it is shooting slower. I'm waiting on a FX Chrono to come in to see how its doing and will update once I do get it.

Overall I'm very happy. Looking forward to playing with this gun more.

 

[pnwairgunner]

The Notos is probably the most under-rated economically priced air gun out there right now. Loving mine! I think it’s got much more to offer than the price suggests.
I’d love to see a big brother .25 Notos made with a beefier reservoir to maintain a 15-20 shot count with .25 ammo. I’m sure they have found a few other improvements they could also make over the current offerings in .22. ( A threaded barrel and a better engineered trigger being on the top of the wish list.)

 

[Stubbers]

The Notos is probably the most under-rated economically priced air gun out there right now. Loving mine! I think it’s got much more to offer than the price suggests.
I’d love to see a big brother .25 Notos made with a beefier reservoir to maintain a 15-20 shot count with .25 ammo. I’m sure they have found a few other improvements they could also make over the current offerings in .22. ( A threaded barrel and a better engineered trigger being on the top of the wish list.)

You generally get what you pay for, but in the Notos defense, you get a bit more, which isn't saying A LOT, but it says SOMETHING.

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

I like the fact they made the regulator adjustable. It's almost like, idk, they actually LISTENED to their customers who like to tinker and make the gun truly theirs.

 

[Sicumj]

A nice light weight package with a decent trigger. A bit anemic IMO. A direct competitor to Prod.

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

A nice light weight package with a decent trigger. A bit anemic IMO. A direct competitor to Prod.

It's leaps and bounds better than a Prod.

Regulated
20 fpe
Better accuracy IME
Stock is better and actually meets your cheek.
Side lever
Full picatinny rail
Quieter
Damn near half the price

The Prod has a better trigger and crosman warranty/support. That's about all I can say it has as an advantage.

I've had 2 Prods, and multiple 2260 pcp builds, discos, etc. I'm a huge fan boy of crosman black guns, and this carbine smokes them hands down. YMMV.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Really great to see Umarex revamp the pp750, an already successful platform. The pp750 has a mediocre stock made of two rods that were not solid at all. I like how Umarex solved that problem with the new stock. One thing I don’t like is the fixed moderator. At 12 fpe the pp750 is plenty quiet with stock baffles in a much more compact shroud. That’s about the only changes I see made. The adjustable reg and hammer spring were already there, cocking lever on same side, same power. Same gun with a better stock. I remember guys were paying a hundred (or more) dollars to get a nice 3d printed stock for the pp750. Now you can get the Notos for the same price as a pp750. Amazing what can be pulled off when a giant airgun company puts in a P.O. instead of a little retailer like airgunarcherygun.ca

My pp750 before I sold it

 

[madeintheuk]

Really great to see Umarex revamp the pp750, an already successful platform. The pp750 has a mediocre stock made of two rods that were not solid at all. I like how Umarex solved that problem with the new stock. One thing I don’t like is the fixed moderator. At 12 fpe the pp750 is plenty quiet with stock baffles in a much more compact shroud. That’s about the only changes I see made. The adjustable reg and hammer spring were already there, cocking lever on same side, same power. Same gun with a better stock. I remember guys were paying a hundred (or more) dollars to get a nice 3d printed stock for the pp750. Now you can get the Notos for the same price as a pp750. Amazing what can be pulled off when a giant airgun company puts in a P.O. instead of a little retailer like airgunarcherygun.ca

My pp750 before I sold it
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Quick correction. Pp750 cocking lever on right. Notos on left.
That is all.

 

[Sicumj]

I have had both and I don't know I would say leaps and bounds. But for $270 bucks it is a deal. Frankly as I said it is direct competitor of light weight 700 fps air guns. Prod being one of them. I had the opportunity to purchase a PCP for a friend who wanted a light weight rifle. Notos seemed to be the perfect fit.
Shooting it is OK for small game out to35 to 40 yards. As in the Prod I have to wonder why they don't chamber in 177. You disagree? As far as one gun being better than the other I think it boils down to brand loyalty.

 

[Dr. Kralenstein]

I took the head off a sparrow at 42 yards with the notos. Never had that confidence in my Prods, or any of my crosmans I built. They were 30 yard guns for head shots.

I think if they did a folding stock, and made the trigger a little better, it would be almost perfect. For the purpose it's built for that is. It's not a 100 yard gun.

 

[AmosBurton]

I believe the aftermarket for this gun will take off shortly. I mean look at all the Prod parts. Just wait for it!
In the meantime, enjoy this sweet, quick to bring to bear airgun for what it is...a quiet and accurate .22 carbine.
I love the red dot I'm using but the Notos seems accurate beyond my eyes/red dot combo. I might need a red dot magnifier.
A folding stock is also high on the wishlist. Then it would be a true backpack gun.

I'm going to do some chrono work tomorrow.

 

[markhooper]

I bought the Notos to use in our barn where pigeons roost and make a mess. I however don't like shooting more than 12-15fpe at max in there. No point. So my goal is to tune it to 12fpe. Taking it out of the box I was very impressed with the build honestly. Feels much nicer than a $250 gun.

Only knock to that is I see a Phillips screw or 2 on the gun and I think that makes it look cheap. Most screws i see are allen screws so why they used a phillips at all seems silly. Not a fan of the safety but I've had worse. Mag takes alittle to get aligned as pushing it all the way is a hair too far. Trigger a tad heavy once adjusted nicely but I can fix that. Fill probe I just don't like them, but do like it's a one piece machined probe.

Those are my negatives out of the way, now the good. It feels really good in the hand. Really lightweight yet solid feel. The cocking lever while I wish it was on the other side, it feels really nice and smooth. The trigger like I said while heavy, is actually quite crisp and predictable once adjusted. Gun is quiet. Shroud does its job and actually the barrel seems very stable. Happy about that. The pic rail is nice having all that room available to mount basically anything you'd like. And my quick accuracy testing shows it does very well. No paper just shooting dirt clods to get roughly sighted in.

Let me say this I've done the Prod before. Regulated, tactical stock and LDC. What roughly $600 total? Benjamin should be embarrassed by selling a stock Prod for what I've seen $380 the cheapest at Utah Airguns. This gun puts it to shame even when upgraded as above. I was a Benjamin fan for along time, with the Mrod mainly but as a company they have severely fallen behind on the new offerings out.

Anyways so my Notos I mounted a Swapfox red dot and it fits perfectly. Before I shot the gun I tore it apart and took off the air tube to adjust the regulator down. Impressed with the machining. I adjusted the reg down one half turn. I then removed hammer spring and cut off 3 coils off the spring. Put it back together and seems to still be shooting faster than 12fpe. However I shot 4 mags and went from 3500psi to 2200psi. So it is shooting slower. I'm waiting on a FX Chrono to come in to see how its doing and will update once I do get it.

Overall I'm very happy. Looking forward to playing with this gun more.

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did you shoot your gun before you tore it down and adjusted it? only reason I was asking it it's really quiet stock, and I would imagine it is a lot more quiet with it turned down..
I have only shot mine with open sights and pistol grip, I never tried putting the stock on..
so the quiet part is not the shroud, it's the moderator baffles, if you take out the two punch pins in the front you can remove the front cap and baffles and then if you shoot it, it's quite loud.
I hope to someday modify mine so that I can screw the moderator off or back on.. I wanted a pistol and well if the moderator is removed it's 16" long with the pistol grip installed.. but it is currently 22" and that's quite a bit long for a pistol.. but my project is going to have to wait until I get some time in the machine shop.. they permanently molded the moderator to the barrel and actually it's what keeps the barrel centered and the tube part of the shroud on..
Mark

 

[Pale_Rider]

The plenum extension with gauge is one of the best upgrades for the notos/pp750. More power potential, able to use less psi to get the same power as stock(less hammer spring tension>less cocking force), gauge reads the regulated pressure allowing you to see when it starts to creep.

PP750 Gauge Block with Picatinny Rails

airgunarcheryfun.ca

 

[markhooper]

Quick correction. Pp750 cocking lever on right. Notos on left.
That is all.

the pp750 also has a 9" barrel I think and the notos is almost 12".. I totally agree with you and also wish the moderator was able to unscrew.. plus the notos is a bit more fps than the pp750 being sold in Canada it's just under 500 fps Canadian limit.. if you take the pins out of the front of the moderator the end will come out and you can remove the baffles.. with the baffles removed and the end cap off it's quite loud..
mark

 

[markhooper]

The Notos is probably the most under-rated economically priced air gun out there right now. Loving mine! I think it’s got much more to offer than the price suggests.
I’d love to see a big brother .25 Notos made with a beefier reservoir to maintain a 15-20 shot count with .25 ammo. I’m sure they have found a few other improvements they could also make over the current offerings in .22. ( A threaded barrel and a better engineered trigger being on the top of the wish list.)

I second the threaded barrel and being able to remove the moderator.. I also have other things in my wish list.. I'd like to contact pitbull airguns and see if they could make the air reservoir about half as long and 4500 psi fill and shorten the barrel so maybe it will still do 4 magazine.. but get it down to 12" long..
can't really complain for the price, but I really want a pistol that could go in a holster.. I never tried the stock since I bought it for a pistol.. I was really hoping that I could unscrew the moderator and it was just locktite on threads.. but it's not.. it's permanently molded on plus it keeps the shroud centered on the barrel and the shroud tube in..
Mark

 

[markhooper]

I believe the aftermarket for this gun will take off shortly. I mean look at all the Prod parts. Just wait for it!
In the meantime, enjoy this sweet, quick to bring to bear airgun for what it is...a quiet and accurate .22 carbine.
I love the red dot I'm using but the Notos seems accurate beyond my eyes/red dot combo. I might need a red dot magnifier.
A folding stock is also high on the wishlist. Then it would be a true backpack gun.

I'm going to do some chrono work tomorrow.

if you don't mind unscrewing you can unscrew the tube from the grip.. it's not fast like a folding stock but it gets it close to the same length as the pistol grips..
mark

 

[Sicumj]

The trigger can be improved by taking the set screw out and rounding the point. Considerable difference for me when I did that.

 

[KatoKevin454]

it's a great little gun

 

[jemkewl]

The plenum extension with gauge is one of the best upgrades for the notos/pp750. More power potential, able to use less psi to get the same power as stock(less hammer spring tension>less cocking force), gauge reads the regulated pressure allowing you to see when it starts to creep.

PP750 Gauge Block with Picatinny Rails

airgunarcheryfun.ca

Does it allow adjustment or is it just a gauge?

 

[Pale_Rider]

Does it allow adjustment or is it just a gauge?

No adjustment. This piece drastically increases the amount of air available between the regulator and valve. Without it, the stock plenum space is very tiny. Which is fine for a low power tune but when you try to get more power from the gun it will not be easy.

Even if you don’t want more power it’s great for low power tunes because it allows you to run less reg pressure to get the same power with a stock plenum. The reg also doesn’t have to work as hard to replenish the plenum space since it now has 3 times the amount of volume.

The gauge allows you to see approximately where you set your reg pressure for tuning purposes. Also, allows you to see when your reg goes bad and starts creeping. Without a reg gauge you’ll be guessing what’s wrong with the gun.