Seeking help with accuracy problem
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I got one gun that eas not so great a shooter no matter what i did i was going to give up on it and gift it away, but i kept shooting it just to be shooting it , mega lots of pellets then one day out of the blue the groups got good then better now it's one of my better shooters. I look nack and think im glad i did not give up on it. Its that gamo i post on here. It took 10,000+ break-in shots to go from man it suks to thats sweet...lol , go figure?
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OK, did that using a sandbag and "free floating" the rifle. Here's the result - a drastic improvement over prior groups, I assure you!
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good you learned something about your rifle . now you just need practice and patience .
Walther Talon Magnum .22 ,is a hefty gun , let the gun shoot no matter what position your shooting .
Walther Talon Magnum .22 ,is a hefty gun , let the gun shoot no matter what position your shooting .
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Im sure it'll get better ad you go too boot... Try some quick easy to get local Walmart cphp and see what you get. Maybe better , same or worse..lol. If its s low shot newer gun it should relax as it gets shot more.
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The CPHP shoot great in my .22 135QE Vortex. That’s what BoG was using in it and I left it alone. At the speeds they’re coming out they‘re going to leave deposits in your barrel, so if you ever change pellets you’ll have to deep clean. And that’s another thing. Guessing those 14.2 pellets are exiting at close to 1,000 FPS? Need to have realistic expectations at that power and speed. These guns aren’t FWB 300S made to shoot 1 hole at 10 yards. They’re made to smack things at 40 yards or better and make them roll over. I have a red dot on mine. Light weight and plenty accurate for what I do with it.
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I owned one. Yes, made by Hatsan and what they modeled their first 125 series rifles on. Except for cosmetics, they're the exact same rifle, so finding threads on the 125's should help you some on things to do and try with your Talon. The Talons were spring piston not gas rammed so teardown, a good cleaning and proper lubes vs the factory garbage would help greatly. Being a spring powered rifle, you can also do what we call a slot tune, which is getting a little moly paste spread along the cocking slot on that spring. It's a temporary fix but it can help a bit.
The Quattro trigger is also quite good, it's just getting that odd, backwards and up trigger pull the same every time. A good friend I've never met explained it this way and it's worked for me: Put your finger on the trigger, then slide it down so the edge of your finger is resting on the inside of the trigger guard. Now use that trigger guard as your guide and you'll get the same, repeatable trigger pull every time you shoot since it makes your finger do the up and back motion the Quattro takes.
Better quality pellets might also help with your accuracy and as mentioned, the JSB King 18.13gr pellets shot the best in mine, 770 fps 10 shot average, ES of 12, SD of 3, 23.87 fpe. If I did my part, not easy with the beast, it would shoot a hair under inch groups at 30 yards. Best place to get those if you want to try some is Trenier Airguns:
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My Talon Magnum .22, now owned by the friend mentioned above:
The Quattro trigger is also quite good, it's just getting that odd, backwards and up trigger pull the same every time. A good friend I've never met explained it this way and it's worked for me: Put your finger on the trigger, then slide it down so the edge of your finger is resting on the inside of the trigger guard. Now use that trigger guard as your guide and you'll get the same, repeatable trigger pull every time you shoot since it makes your finger do the up and back motion the Quattro takes.
Better quality pellets might also help with your accuracy and as mentioned, the JSB King 18.13gr pellets shot the best in mine, 770 fps 10 shot average, ES of 12, SD of 3, 23.87 fpe. If I did my part, not easy with the beast, it would shoot a hair under inch groups at 30 yards. Best place to get those if you want to try some is Trenier Airguns:
JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy .22 Cal. Pellets, 18.13 Grains, Domed | Trenier Airguns
JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy.22 Cal, 18.13 Grains, Domed, 500ct, precision airgun ammunition for your shooting needs. Whether you shoot from an air rifle or pistol, 4.5mm, 5.0mm, 5.5mm caliber or larger, outdoors or indoors, from paper to knock down targets, from 10 to 100 meters, JSB offers you a wide...
www.trenierairguns.com My Talon Magnum .22, now owned by the friend mentioned above:
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I just shot this group with open sights - definitely a lot better than before! I put a red dot on the rifle, but it's a cheapie and I think the rifle is beating it to death because I'm having trouble getting it to zero. Need to look into a red dot that's rated for a springer.
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I just happen to have me a tin of those exact pellets. Gonna give 'em a try!I owned one. Yes, made by Hatsan and what they modeled their first 125 series rifles on. Except for cosmetics, they're the exact same rifle, so finding threads on the 125's should help you some on things to do and try with your Talon. The Talons were spring piston not gas rammed so teardown, a good cleaning and proper lubes vs the factory garbage would help greatly. Being a spring powered rifle, you can also do what we call a slot tune, which is getting a little moly paste spread along the cocking slot on that spring. It's a temporary fix but it can help a bit.
The Quattro trigger is also quite good, it's just getting that odd, backwards and up trigger pull the same every time. A good friend I've never met explained it this way and it's worked for me: Put your finger on the trigger, then slide it down so the edge of your finger is resting on the inside of the trigger guard. Now use that trigger guard as your guide and you'll get the same, repeatable trigger pull every time you shoot since it makes your finger do the up and back motion the Quattro takes.
Better quality pellets might also help with your accuracy and as mentioned, the JSB King 18.13gr pellets shot the best in mine, 770 fps 10 shot average, ES of 12, SD of 3, 23.87 fpe. If I did my part, not easy with the beast, it would shoot a hair under inch groups at 30 yards. Best place to get those if you want to try some is Trenier Airguns:
JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy .22 Cal. Pellets, 18.13 Grains, Domed | Trenier Airguns
JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy.22 Cal, 18.13 Grains, Domed, 500ct, precision airgun ammunition for your shooting needs. Whether you shoot from an air rifle or pistol, 4.5mm, 5.0mm, 5.5mm caliber or larger, outdoors or indoors, from paper to knock down targets, from 10 to 100 meters, JSB offers you a wide...
My Talon Magnum .22, now owned by the friend mentioned above:
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Addendum: I just shot a couple of groups with these pellets - one with the red dot and one with open sights. The red dot is all over the place, obviously can't take the springer double whammy. But with open sights and my crummy vision I shot a nice group - one three-holer and one two-holer. The spread is totally on me.
I need a good springer-rated scope or red dot now - any suggestions?
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The red dot I have on mine came with the gun. I’ll ask BoG if they’re still available. I have Hawke red dots on a couple non-springer guns and they’re excellent. You’d have to check with Hawke on whether they’re springer rated. There are so many red dot options, you should look around and find one that strikes your fancy. Then ask the manufacturer about putting on a springer. The SAS system supposedly helps with the recoil. My red dot is still going strong after years on the gun.
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Maybe do the trigger screw mod to help relieve the hard , heavy awkward pull can help that. Did for me. Just dont know how much the heavy pull is whats pulling you just off enugh..
Overall its looking pretty good on sights .
Overall its looking pretty good on sights .
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That rifle definitely has promise at longer yardage.
Your groups over the irons are fantastic, and with a spring gun!
Your groups over the irons are fantastic, and with a spring gun!
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Thanks. When I was a kid and up through most of my young adulthood, I never used a scope and was pretty decent at hitting what I was aiming at. But nowadays, with my crummy old eyes, I have to have a scope or at least a red dot.
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Hi, I am new to airguns and just got a Birchwood Casey Nest Rest to help when adjusting the rear sight.
I still need to find scrap wood pieces or other height additions to use in conjunction with the Nest Rest, but even with me trying to do that via my hand under the stock, the groups got smaller than when shooting without any support under front or rear.
I even used the front Nest alone with a revolver (PB) to see if it’ll be suitable for zeroing that. The answer is yes. The things are made of a very hard rubber that can support weight without sagging or deforming yet still have some give, unlike the homemade wooden rests I’ve seen. Recoil was not a problem with .38 special ammo, so it might work well for your air rifle. (I just sat the barrel on it without any other restraint, while gripping the rear with my hands.)
The rests literally nest together for transport and storage and are very compact and light. Worth looking at, and Walmart sells them.
I still need to find scrap wood pieces or other height additions to use in conjunction with the Nest Rest, but even with me trying to do that via my hand under the stock, the groups got smaller than when shooting without any support under front or rear.
I even used the front Nest alone with a revolver (PB) to see if it’ll be suitable for zeroing that. The answer is yes. The things are made of a very hard rubber that can support weight without sagging or deforming yet still have some give, unlike the homemade wooden rests I’ve seen. Recoil was not a problem with .38 special ammo, so it might work well for your air rifle. (I just sat the barrel on it without any other restraint, while gripping the rear with my hands.)
The rests literally nest together for transport and storage and are very compact and light. Worth looking at, and Walmart sells them.
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My brother had one of those cheap 22 cal Benjamin nitro piston guns that he paid like $100 for. Neither him or me could get it to group. He gave it to a friend you read to lead up the barrels. He shot several hundred pellets thru it and accuracy improved dramatically. Not sure if his reasoning made sense but the gun shot a lot better. Alternately I told him he could shoot bigger diameter pellets. Not sure if you are using a scope but I do a lot better with a scope than iron sights has
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The red dots are very expensive for a nice one. I gave up on them a long time ago because the batteries were always dead. I use the seeall sight now, no batteries, can handle all the recoil in the world and work great for people with progressive lenses. They are also very low profile.
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It seems the newer(??) Glowlit model is the better one also comes in delta or crosshair
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I have an edge glow light, but I don't like it as much as the standard green. The standard works better in light and I only use the delta's.
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Lot of guys liked them but some conditions not so good. I think the new one i mentioned above helps cure that. .
Just looking at old and new reviews the newer glowlit more favorable.. i think like you no battery is a plus caue im the guy that the battery would be dead or just go dead when i go to use somthing.
Just looking at old and new reviews the newer glowlit more favorable.. i think like you no battery is a plus caue im the guy that the battery would be dead or just go dead when i go to use somthing.
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