HW30S, is this normal?

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New HW30s, maybe under 50 pellets. Had at least 5 times where the safety did not auto set on cocking and still shot the pellet when the trigger is pulled. Is that normal? We are being told that sometimes its necessary to give the barrel extra tug to get the safety to engage. [ thank you AN member comments: Appears holding style by the user allowed contact with the safety on cocking effort ] (y)
 
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You know, I don't have a 30, but I recently bought a 35E. Does the 30 have the same sliding crossbolt safety? Sometimes I also have an issue with the safety not being "on" after I cock the rifle. I didn't take me long to realize it's not a mechanical flaw. Apparently, the way I grip the rifle with my right hand on cocking actually at times depresses the safety button during the process. I don't feel it.
 
You know, I don't have a 30, but I recently bought a 35E. Does the 30 have the same sliding crossbolt safety? Sometimes I also have an issue with the safety not being "on" after I cock the rifle. I didn't take me long to realize it's not a mechanical flaw. Apparently, the way I grip the rifle with my right hand on cocking actually at times depresses the safety button during the process. I don't feel it.
Had my wife hold the gun as she cocks the rifle, she grabs high and rolls the rifle into her left inside forearm that holds the rifle. Guess where that safety is touching! Having her change the holding style and run some pellets.
 
It happens if you don't fully cock the gun. The piston latch rod has to come back just a tick further than the latch point to kick out the safety. You just have to finish the cocking stroke.
I learned this when I had a tune kit with a too thick guide flange. The piston would go back far enough to latch the trigger but bottomed out on the guide flange before the safety kicked out. I couldn't send the gun out with a malfunctioning safety so I figured it out and exchanged the kit.
Also overzealous people have bowed cocking arms on other Weihrauchs enough it effectively shortened them enough the safety would stop engaging and eventually enough the gun doesn't cock at all as the arm bends more.

You'll get the hang of the full stroke with use. The safeties tends to loosen up and smooth out with use as well. So that may help.
 
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From the comments, I find it concerning that a rifle sold with a safety that auto-sets on cocking can fail to auto-set on full strock cocking which can fire a pellet. If a trigger sometimes worked and did not, I can't imagine that going over well with anyone here. Watched a ton of videos on springers, but not all videos. I never heard or seen anyone say, oh, safety did not set and you need to do a little extra to ensure that. Typically, its the other direction, darn, forgot to turn off the safety, again with a shake of the head & facial expression. Read folks wanting or modifying to get rid of the safety entirely. It should work or not work and not be a gimmick. One should have the expectation of the product working as advertised. I shouldn't experience this on a new or well maintained rifle. I expect the cycle of operation to be repeatable and reliable (fire and or air rifle). Regardless of my opinion, we all know how to treat a loaded or unloaded rifle.
 
From the comments, I find it concerning that a rifle sold with a safety that auto-sets on cocking can fail to auto-set on full strock cocking which can fire a pellet. If a trigger sometimes worked and did not, I can't imagine that going over well with anyone here. Watched a ton of videos on springers, but not all videos. I never heard or seen anyone say, oh, safety did not set and you need to do a little extra to ensure that. Typically, its the other direction, darn, forgot to turn off the safety, again with a shake of the head & facial expression. Read folks wanting or modifying to get rid of the safety entirely. It should work or not work and not be a gimmick. One should have the expectation of the product working as advertised. I shouldn't experience this on a new or well maintained rifle. I expect the cycle of operation to be repeatable and reliable (fire and or air rifle). Regardless of my opinion, we all know how to treat a loaded or unloaded rifle.
I have 13 Weihrauchs and pretty close to 30 springers in total. Not one has ever fired without me pulling the trigger. Just because the safety doesn't set does not mean the trigger itself is not functioning properly. They are two seperate parts in a single unit. On the HWs or AA rifles the safety is a simple spring loaded rod that actuated just as the cocking arm reaches its full motion. Thats all there is to that. Follow proper firearm safety and you have nothing to worry about. Many guns, fire and air, do not even have a manual safety and yet here I am, bullet hole free to this day.
 
Trigger adjustment can cause safety issues on newish guns.. back the yrigger adjustment screw off as all the way you can without ot falling out and back in 3 or 3 times stopping at backed off ( cock it a few times and see as you go from here) then ease it up to your trigger release spot and see . If nothing is defective the more you use the gun the less this happens no matter how close to hair in use . Dont know why but it resolved that on one of mine.
 
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Dont see where decocking hirts one as long as you dont let the barrel slip out of your hand.. i way prefer a gun that you can easy decock then one you cant and you have to fire it.. to me that seems less safe in a situation..
Agreed. Took the trigger disconnect out of my 97K for this exact reason. Decocking is useful and my hand never leaves the lever anyway.
 
I have 13 Weihrauchs and pretty close to 30 springers in total. Not one has ever fired without me pulling the trigger. Just because the safety doesn't set does not mean the trigger itself is not functioning properly. They are two seperate parts in a single unit. On the HWs or AA rifles the safety is a simple spring loaded rod that actuated just as the cocking arm reaches its full motion. Thats all there is to that. Follow proper firearm safety and you have nothing to worry about. Many guns, fire and air, do not even have a manual safety and yet here I am, bullet hole free to this day.
I wonder about the Weihrauch designs. I suspect just from looking at the design, its more of a cocking safety? Being a one way design (off only) makes me think that. Could just be a way to ensure you have the barrel/breech closed rather than to prevent an AD if the trigger is pulled?
 
I wonder about the Weihrauch designs. I suspect just from looking at the design, its more of a cocking safety? Being a one way design (off only) makes me think that. Could just be a way to ensure you have the barrel/breech closed rather than to prevent an AD if the trigger is pulled?
As far as I know (maybe @Mycapt65 can verify or debunk this) as the sear gets pushed back by the piston rod the safety spring pushes the button out which blocks the sear from moving. Pretty simple design. Someone actually does make a resettable safety for the HWs but don't remember where I saw them.

Now what I assume happens sometimes is the sear is just a hair snug so it doesn't quite make its full reward motion. Its just enough that the safety button snags on the sear preventing the spring from pushing it over. Over time and with some use everything kind of loosens up a bit and fully lubricates itself and it starts functioning as normal.
 
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Most people complain about having to constantly turn off the automatic safety. Yet here we are.

It seems the trigger and safety are misunderstood. The safety doesn't "ensure you have the barrel/breech closed". If the safety is turned off when the gun is open the trigger will let the spring piston fly. That will close the the barrel at great speed. The barrel will bend up past center and the stock may even break.

If you're unhappy with the gun because you don't think you can learn to cock it fully, you should sell it.
 
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As far as I know (maybe @Mycapt65 can verify or debunk this) as the sear gets pushed back by the piston rod the safety spring pushes the button out which blocks the sear from moving. Pretty simple design. Someone actually does make a resettable safety for the HWs but don't remember where I saw them.

Now what I assume happens sometimes is the sear is just a hair snug so it doesn't quite make its full reward motion. Its just enough that the safety button snags on the sear preventing the spring from pushing it over. Over time and with some use everything kind of loosens up a bit and fully lubricates itself and it starts functioning as normal.
This is all correct
 
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It seems the trigger and safety are misunderstood. The safety doesn't "ensure you have the barrel/breech closed". If the safety is turned off when the gun is open the trigger will let the spring piston fly. That will close the the barrel at great speed. The barrel will bend up past center and the stock may even break.

If you referring to my thoughts that's exactly what i meant. The automatic safety seems to be there as something of a cocking safety. It engages automatically, and you have to conscientiously turn it off. Naturally when you have the barrel/breech closed and are on the way to firing it intentionally.
 
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If you referring to my thoughts that's exactly what i meant. The automatic safety seems to be there as something of a cocking safety. It engages automatically, and you have to conscientiously turn it off, ideally when you have the barrel/breech closed and are on the way to firing it intentionally.

Lol.. and cant reengage it if you decide not to shoot by another simple press the other way.. decock time..lol

Anyway check the trigger adjustment screw / turn it back out from hair some , put a drop of 3 in one oil to get in the pin , then cock and decock it several + times to see if it starts working better. A new hw they tend to stick some till good broke in .. i sure would not sell that nice a gun over this .