Redwolf issues - thoughts?
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Drum roll please....... AOA sent a new battery. Battery fully charged and re-inserted. Gun pivoted back to the exact spot on the target where things went crazy and shazam, laser beam again. So for my final answer, the problem was caused by low battery voltage and or a damaged battery contributing to a low voltage issue.
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cavedweller
Glad AOA stepped up and helped out. We (wife and I) each have 2 batteries for our rifles just in case we forget to charge one or one goes bad before a competition . I have never taken an electronic gun hunting partly because of the battery and the turn off feature. That's just me though.
Tony P.
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Hi Tony, yeah AOA was great. I do believe you can shut off the shut off feature? I think this is Daystates weak link, meaning their lack of good operational flow charts for setup/shooting/troubleshooting = all should be simple menu stuff that should be like pull down tabs.cavedweller
Glad AOA stepped up and helped out. We (wife and I) each have 2 batteries for our rifles just in case we forget to charge one or one goes bad before a competition . I have never taken an electronic gun hunting partly because of the battery and the turn off feature. That's just me though.
Tony P.
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I have a .22 and a .177 RedWolf and both batteries failed too soon.
Shane at AOA immediately sent me two new ones and they lasted for a couple months before I noticed them losing their charge too quickly.
Shane immediately sent me a different charger and so far the batteries are holding up fine, hopefully it’s going to work out.
At least I know from the information in this post that it can be remedied if theses batteries fail as well.
Everything else about these rifles is spectacular and I’m completely in awe of them both!
AOA and Shane have been very supportive.
Shane at AOA immediately sent me two new ones and they lasted for a couple months before I noticed them losing their charge too quickly.
Shane immediately sent me a different charger and so far the batteries are holding up fine, hopefully it’s going to work out.
At least I know from the information in this post that it can be remedied if theses batteries fail as well.
Everything else about these rifles is spectacular and I’m completely in awe of them both!
AOA and Shane have been very supportive.
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When you pay in the neighborhood of $3-$4 grand for ANYTHING, you should be able to expect it to work.
However, as I have learned with MUCH less expensive guns, you HAVE to do your homework... (heavy sigh)
Glad you found the solution! Wish I could afford one of the TOTL (Top Of The Line) Daystates, but I guess I'll simply have to keep dreaming. (smile)
However, as I have learned with MUCH less expensive guns, you HAVE to do your homework... (heavy sigh)
Glad you found the solution! Wish I could afford one of the TOTL (Top Of The Line) Daystates, but I guess I'll simply have to keep dreaming. (smile)
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For the Gents whose batteries fail, ho do you store your Lipos? Meaning, do you just charge them fully after each outing till next time? Just leave them until accuracy falls off and then recharge?
These are Lithium Polymer batteries and not your average alkaline that can sit in the junk drawer until ready to put in a flashlight.
LiPo batteries need special care and feeding if they are expected to have a lengthy lifespan.
These are Lithium Polymer batteries and not your average alkaline that can sit in the junk drawer until ready to put in a flashlight.
LiPo batteries need special care and feeding if they are expected to have a lengthy lifespan.
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Please enlighten, at least me, on what is necessary to keep Lipo batteries healthy. Yes, these are not NiH or Nicad, but they also don't have the problems of those either.
What is the special care needed to make Lithium/Lipo batteries last longer and hold their charge better?
I am hoping to learn something... (smile)
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There is way more information on the internet about the care, feeding and dangers of LiPo batteries than I can convey, or even type.
In a quick search I found some good info here although there is a lot of advertisement fluff that you have to scroll right past.
www.rogershobbycenter.com
It is my opinion that where Daystate fell short with including this type of battery/chemistry in the wolf series of airguns, is that they omit any warning paperwork in the box describing the dangers/care/feeding of the battery. Also the charger is kind of substandard.
LiPo batteries are the chemistry of choice in radio control hobbies. A basic hobby grade charger ($50) would be a wise investment for a wolf owner
In a quick search I found some good info here although there is a lot of advertisement fluff that you have to scroll right past.
An Expert's Guide to Understanding LiPo Batteries — Roger's Hobby Center
Get all the critical information on LiPo batteries in one place from a 17-year veteran of the hobby industry with easy to understand explanations.
www.rogershobbycenter.com It is my opinion that where Daystate fell short with including this type of battery/chemistry in the wolf series of airguns, is that they omit any warning paperwork in the box describing the dangers/care/feeding of the battery. Also the charger is kind of substandard.
LiPo batteries are the chemistry of choice in radio control hobbies. A basic hobby grade charger ($50) would be a wise investment for a wolf owner
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Keep an eye on the voltage for your batteries while you are shooting. Those LiPo batteries do not like to go too low in discharge. Not necessarily that they will shoot bad but it shortens their life. I was advised by some very informed Daystate folks to not let your batteries fall below 11.8 volts. If you want to have your batteries last, replace/recharge them when they get to 11.8 or 11.9 to help them endure. I had over 2 years on my batteries and never had an issue following that advise. Not that it matters but I had a Heliboard installed in mine.
P.S. Don't lube your pellets excessively or they tend to blow out the chamber O rings. Ask me how I know
Thx
Dan
P.S. Don't lube your pellets excessively or they tend to blow out the chamber O rings. Ask me how I know
Thx
Dan
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Seriously whyzee has it right. Go read about battery care on RC forums, those guys burn through batteries fast enough they don't need to speed up their demise by not taking care of them. Flashlight people are also big on lithium batteries, but not so much Lipo. I was a flashlight wannabe for a few years myself, I have several that run over 4 amps on single cells, one that runs close to 7 amps. I killed a couple expensive batteries by being stupid/uneducated. Never had a problem once I started taking care of the batteries correctly.There is way more information on the internet about the care, feeding and dangers of LiPo batteries than I can convey, or even type.
In a quick search I found some good info here although there is a lot of advertisement fluff that you have to scroll right past.
An Expert's Guide to Understanding LiPo Batteries — Roger's Hobby Center
Get all the critical information on LiPo batteries in one place from a 17-year veteran of the hobby industry with easy to understand explanations.
It is my opinion that where Daystate fell short with including this type of battery/chemistry in the wolf series of airguns, is that they omit any warning paperwork in the box describing the dangers/care/feeding of the battery. Also the charger is kind of substandard.
LiPo batteries are the chemistry of choice in radio control hobbies. A basic hobby grade charger ($50) would be a wise investment for a wolf owner
In a nutshell, if you won't be using the battery for two days, make sure it is between 3.6-3.8 volts at rest if batteries in parrallel, multiply that if in series, if you don't have a multimeter get one. Better yet get a real balance charger and it will give you the voltage of each cell in any pack. Leaving a LiPo battery fully charged and not using it for more than a couple days is extremely bad for the battery. Get a real charger. If you don't shoot enough to actually discharge the battery, charge it only to 3.8v per cell, simple with a real charger. At least once a month use the real charger and do a full discharge/charge cycle and then discharge it back to 3.8v per cell. Sure it's a pain, but the lipo will last. I keep my lithium ions in a sealed container in the refrigerator, depending on chemistry at slightly different voltages per cell. 32-low 40's F is the best temp to store all chemistries of Lithium rechargeable batteries at their proper storage voltage.
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Lipo's are perfectly happy being discharged down to 3.0v per cell, but that is all at once, not a little here and a little there and after a month you get there. They would be useless to the RC crowd if they didn't. You don't leave one like that for long, but leaving one discharged a few days is way less damaging than leaving one fully charged and not used for days.Keep an eye on the voltage for your batteries while you are shooting. Those LiPo batteries do not like to go too low in discharge. Not necessarily that they will shoot bad but it shortens their life. I was advised by some very informed Daystate folks to not let your batteries fall below 11.8 volts. If you want to have your batteries last, replace/recharge them when they get to 11.8 or 11.9 to help them endure. I had over 2 years on my batteries and never had an issue following that advise. Not that it matters but I had a Heliboard installed in mine.
P.S. Don't lube your pellets excessively or they tend to blow out the chamber O rings. Ask me how I know
Thx
Dan
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The heliboard does not show individual cell voltage, it shows you the total discharge state of the battery. Don't take it below 11.8 volts total voltage if you want to get a longer life out of them.
Thx
Dan
Thx
Dan
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The nominal voltage of the 3s LiPo pack is 11.1v
I wholeheartedly disagree. There is no harm done by taking your 3s LiPo battery to 11.1v during use. But….it is YOUR battery so, you care for it how you see fit.
Plus the batteries for the RW are inexpensive ($10ea).
So, one of the many benefits of having a basic 4 button hobby grade charger, is that there is a storage mode. When you are finished with your Wolf, you connect the battery to the charger, enter storage mode, press start, and presto! Safe storage voltage in minutes.
If the battery is above 3.8v per cell the charger discharges the pack down in voltage, and then shuts off. If the pack is below 3.8v per cell, it charges the pack up and then shuts off. So simple. And these small capacity packs are fairly quick to charge/discharge. As in less than an hour
I wholeheartedly disagree. There is no harm done by taking your 3s LiPo battery to 11.1v during use. But….it is YOUR battery so, you care for it how you see fit.
Plus the batteries for the RW are inexpensive ($10ea).
So, one of the many benefits of having a basic 4 button hobby grade charger, is that there is a storage mode. When you are finished with your Wolf, you connect the battery to the charger, enter storage mode, press start, and presto! Safe storage voltage in minutes.
If the battery is above 3.8v per cell the charger discharges the pack down in voltage, and then shuts off. If the pack is below 3.8v per cell, it charges the pack up and then shuts off. So simple. And these small capacity packs are fairly quick to charge/discharge. As in less than an hour
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So, basically all you are really saying is that you NEED a "smart" charger made for LiPo batteries?
I can understand that. Then again, I will probably never own a $3500+ airgun... (heavy sigh) (smile)
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Actually that is wrong. It is 3 cells in series, assuming it has proper control board and balances discharge, each cell is 3.933333 volts at 11.8. That is too high a voltage for storage and not using for a few days. Best voltage for storage, and not using it for two days is storage for a lipo, is between 3.6 and 3.8 volts per cell. Lipos are like a needy spouse, better take care of them or you will be divorced.
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What a valuable bunch of information, thanks guys. I’m going to order a real charger and learn how to use it.
And at some point I’d like the upgrade board and learn how to use it too.
What a helpful post!
And at some point I’d like the upgrade board and learn how to use it too.
What a helpful post!
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