Ultra-Regulated FX vs. Unregulated Daystate Redwolf and Harmonic Nodes??

[SkeeterHawk]

I have a question for Daystate Redwolf owners regarding the harmonic nodes/tuning of the barrel. If you are to use a harmonic barrel tuner, do the results change as the bottle pressure changes? This is versus an FX with dual regulators that should see very little variance in the head pressure at the valve regulator, so it would stand to reason that the harmonic nodes on an FX with dual regulators would be more consistent than a Daystate that was interpreting what timing it should use relative to the bottle pressure.

I know that the Delta/Alpha Wolf use a Huma now, so this doesn't count for them. I am just curious to know if the harmonic nodes are more "dynamic" on a Redwolf as compared to a dual regulated FX. Thanks for the feedback!!!

 

[SkeeterHawk]

I recall that John Bagakis was using a barrel tuner on his Red Wolf, so they must do something...

 

[elh0102]

I don't see why the barrel harmonics would change, until reaching the point of a substantially different velocity. Regarding the tuner, anything you attach to the barrel is a tuner, whether it's a stack of washers or a bundle of rubber bands. Or, of course something sold as a tuner. My experience with them was in rimfire BR. I found that, yes, they work, but they were tedious to use, and the optimum adjustment changed, not only with ammo, but conditions. If you have the patience for it, I think they can be of value. But, it's probably useful only at a level of shooting to which I no longer aspire.

 

[SkeeterHawk]

I don't see why the barrel harmonics would change, until reaching the point of a substantially different velocity.

I don't recall which video it was, but Matt Dubber showed that just a few FPS change would change the POI. This was before the harmonic barrel tuner craze, but still illustrates the point, IMO.

Regarding the tuner, anything you attach to the barrel is a tuner, whether it's a stack of washers or a bundle of rubber bands.

I agree. As I found with my Ghetto Harmonic Barrel Tuner that even a stack of tokens in a scope ring can make a difference.

My experience with them was in rimfire BR. I found that, yes, they work, but they were tedious to use, and the optimum adjustment changed, not only with ammo, but conditions. If you have the patience for it, I think they can be of value. But, it's probably useful only at a level of shooting to which I no longer aspire.

I agree...somewhat. I still aspire for this type of precision, but I hear you loud and clear on them being tedious. I did all of my tuning shooting Baracuda's at 927FPS, but when I got to RMAC, I had to tune it down to 912FPS to buck the wind. I'm sure my nodes changed, but I didn't have time to re-tune the tuner, so I went with it.

I guess I am wondering if Red Wolf users have experienced there being a "sweet spot" with the bottle pressure, and if accuracy falls off when they get low on pressure? What is the indication on the RW when the bottle is too low to get the programmed velocity?

Thanks again for the feedback!

 

[elh0102]

I don't recall which video it was, but Matt Dubber showed that just a few FPS change would change the POI. This was before the harmonic barrel tuner craze, but still illustrates the point, IMO.


I agree. As I found with my Ghetto Harmonic Barrel Tuner that even a stack of tokens in a scope ring can make a difference.


I agree...somewhat. I still aspire for this type of precision, but I hear you loud and clear on them being tedious. I did all of my tuning shooting Baracuda's at 927FPS, but when I got to RMAC, I had to tune it down to 912FPS to buck the wind. I'm sure my nodes changed, but I didn't have time to re-tune the tuner, so I went with it.

I guess I am wondering if Red Wolf users have experienced there being a "sweet spot" with the bottle pressure, and if accuracy falls off when they get low on pressure? What is the indication on the RW when the bottle is too low to get the programmed velocity?

Thanks again for the feedback!

When I get the low pressure message on my Red Wolf, I refill. I'm sure if I kept shooting, the programmed velocity would fall off at some point, just as in either a regulated or non-regulated rifle. The electronics can't change physics, gotta have a certain amount of pressure.