Lightest 30 caliber projectile. Anything below 44g?
- By JimBentley
- Projectiles
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It would be interesting to see what the accuracy of the lighter one are like.
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In my experience, I have never experienced a shortage or availability issue with Benjamin magazines for the Prod or Mrod. Like was already posted, the Prod and Mrod mags are not interchangeable.
There is also a Z factor in the equation to account for variation in temperature and pressure:Gotta love nerdy threads like this. According to Boyle's Law the equation to get the volume of air it seems to be linear based on pressure.
Volume of free gas in a Storage Volume
The amount of free gas at atmospheric pressure in a given volume - like a cylinder storage - can be calculated my modifying (1)
V a = p c V c / p a
p a = atmospheric pressure (14.7 psia, 101.325 kPa )
V a = volume of the gas at atmospheric pressure (cubic feet, m 3 )
p c = pressure after compression (psi, kPa )
V c = volume of gas after compression (cubic feet, m 3 )
So filling that pistol to very high pressure/5000psi does make the shot count look very reasonable or doable under normal efficiency.
My question is: how da hell does anyone fill it up to 5000 psi? Hand pump?
First off to OP, the guy who responded here @Ballisticboy truly knows his poop. My comment was a best guess and somewhat ironically based on the article he linked (having read it awhile ago) which I guess demonstrates I didn’t read it carefully enough
Although to be sure, @Ballisticboy when you say “at the speeds you are talking of” do you mean what the OPs estimate is or what I posted and believe is a much more accurate assessment based on manufacturer’s data? The device listed is powered from a 12g CO2 cartridge (~850psi) and has a 4.25” barrel. Even at the low end of his estimate @ 1100 fps, that would give ~56 fpe, which would put it on par with a GK1 fired at ~3600psi through a longer barrel and at a heavier weight.
You're exactly right about this, your personal experience didn't fail you! Once either a barrel gets too long, or the projectile too heavy, the muzzle velocity and with that muzzle energy/power starts to go down, due to a variety of factors - i.e. backpresure, gas expansion threshold, friction of the projectile... et cetera. I know this for certain, but with CO2 there's something else at play, and that's the fact that the greater the caliber is, the more effect the gas will have on the expansion of pressure - that's also in regard to the material of which the barrel is made; Copper and brass work best for adding to backpressure.If there was a video where someone shot these projectiles out of a CO2 power pistol and chronographed them? And yes, ideally if they specifically used the T4E..
I found a video where they fire solid steel slugsJump to 7:50 to see the chrono results, I believe he also has a custom built barrel extension.
Maybe @Ballisticboy can chime in but I’ve found it appears that adding mass to a projectile increases energy given all other factors remain constant. I’m sure there’s a break even point though where it starts to work in reverse where the pressure is insufficient to even get the projectile to leave the barrel or due to additional friction from more surface area touching the bore so even if the energy was technically equivalent or greater it wouldn’t actually serve a practical purpose. Once again I’m theorizing based off personal experience and limited knowledge, hopefully an expert can provide an answer.
You can misinterpret that any way you want. Had nothing to do with Burris. The youtuber “expert” and his poor research into something he knows nothing about is what the post is about. I’m still not allowed to talk about many manufacturing proprietary secrets I worked with and never will.Really! Someone posts a nice video of a USAMADE PRODUCT THAT HAS FOREVER WARANTY ,NO QUESTIONS ASKED ..and the best you can say is that it was poor video because they didnt show proprietary operations
Im sure in your vast manufacturing you openly shared your company’s methods
Maybe it’s why your not living it ..
@NINCO1 to elaborate a little better - pick the pellet weight in factory mode closest to your slug weight. Pick the highest speed in the ractory modes onboard computer that it will allow you - if you have a known stable speed for that particular slug start there; maybe even - WARP ? Then let the computer figure it out and see what happens.I just read Centercut’s background info and suggestions. That’s very helpful and great info and instructions as to how to lock in the your best accuracy and understand the limitations that will affect your shots. But here come the “but” …..I fully understand the fun, excitement, success and frustration of tuning a new rifle…. I’ve done it for more years than I care to talk about ….BUT, in order to prevent waisting loads of ammo setting up, how do I know where to start with lets say a 29gr NSA .218, or a 17.5gr .2165 with this shooting computer? That’s where info from others could help new Alpha/Delta owners with basic tuning starting points.
oh.. that sounds great.. now to kick myself again for not buying one when they were still available..View attachment 429147
Although I don't have an extra AP16 Compact pistol laying around collecting dust, I do have an AP16 Compact barrel, shroud and chamber-tube laying around in a case, for when I want to play with my AP that way. Yes, you can remove and install charged chamber-tubes, then all it takes to complete the conversion is loosening two barrel set-screws to swap the barrels. Very quick and easy transitions.
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