djna said:

Thank you - I was curious , seems like the Notos is very effective under 50 yards. When I’m out pesting I’m usually 20-30 yards myself.

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Very! I'm sure it could do well past 50yds but you would need to do some serious work to the trigger.

Sawney Bean said:

You can make a factory 1322 trigger pretty good by just polishing the mating surfaces, using a lighter spring and adding a trigger shoe. Be careful not to lose the little ball bearing for the safety when you disassemble it though.

My own experience with Alliance Hobby wasn't good. I ordered some parts from him and then got an email back stating that he had received my order, but since his was a one man shop there might be delays in processing it. And then I never heard back from him again. I was never charged for anything, so it's not like he ripped me off, but it doesn't really make me want to try dealing with him again.

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Thanks for the little ball bearing tip, I always lose them little balls,
And the rest of you guys with pistols for me it's all about hitting the can, I am not staking pellets with any of my pistols, I am out to kill the can, And if I do put some paper up to shoot all I have to do is hit the paper not the bullseye ,,
Mike

bjeffroson said:

I have ordered a m4 800 and I was intending to shoot 45 gr zan slugs at 1000 ish fps and I was wondering if I will need a slug liner

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Its not needed but it is recommended, the twist rate of the slug liner provides best results for heavy slugs, you'll likely see improved accuracy with the slug liner in.

Check out FX WildcatMKIII compact in .22 and add a 0db moderator.

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I quit smoking cigarettes over 10 years go, vaped for a bit, quit that.

Was super easy for me, but, I am strong-willed.

-Matt

I like to throw in a couple of extra seals .. so if you got to fit and take too much off or something like nick it or whatever goof could happen you got 2 more right there handy .. reordering a seal and pay the shipping suks ... You know you can always take off a bit from a seal but you can't put it back on ..lol..

Anyway it's nice to have seals handy as needed not wishing you did ..

Very nice write up Sir and thank you for making such an unselfish offer .

most fun you’ll have digging a rabbit hole. it can get expensive too if you have strong digging arms. it’s always wabbit season here.

Hadn't thought of the optically centerd scope and image quality thing. Thanks

We're talking "AIR" guns while they do have limitations even tho some are pushing what that definition and limits are
As a tuner that has played with many valve types, plenum sizes & calibers, the amount of power that can be extracted from sub 2k pressures is nothing short of amazing.
Cothrin found this out as did JSAR and FX, having Uragan follow there R&D in Balance valve tech and SKOUT similar with a spool valve. While theoretically a balanced or spool valve does not make power than a conventional valve at equal pressure/s, the miens in which most balanced valves re-profile in a way the release of the plenum pressure at a VERY rapid rate due to there ease of opening, yet by design ( Not FX ) take the released pressure within the valve throat using it to force the valve closed again. This Spike we call a HIGH AMPLITUDE pulse that launches a projectile very hard. Due to generally shorter valve dwell ( Open duration ) the noise leaving muzzle is far less and total air consumtion can be tuned to be far less.
* Because these type valves Do Not require heavy hammers or heavy springs, guns using them cock easier, have less mechanical recoil/vibration and trigger mechanics are less straigned. This valve tech caters to HIGH OUTPUT uses and not needed or really wanted unless so.

So for subject of this thread .... super high pressures for the average air gunner ( Average a loose term ) simply is not nessessary to make the power that our target, sport or hunting air guns require ... IMO 250 bar or less is more that enough !!

JMO ...

Worked on my Zelos today got it down to 2 small leaks that I can fix easily with a few new seals. What a man can do that loves airguns.lol.

Tall target tests are a great way to test a scope… they’re also a great way to get some erroneous information. It’s easy to blame the scope for human error in these types of tests.

You can’t measure the 50 yards with a LRF… you need EXACTLY 50 yards, so use a wheel or highly accurate laser device for construction.

You MUST have the rifle level, shoot across level ground, and use a plumb-bob when setting up the target to ensure that the vertical tracking is true to the y-axis.

I have not done a TT with an airgun… but I have done several, as well as a ton of lr field shooting, with very accurate .22lrs. There’s no better way to put an optic through its paces than running a brick of .22 through it and spinning the turrets for nearly every shot… I’d imagine the same would be true for a very accurate PCP.

head size matters,, 5.52mm,, I am using Fx brand
5.5 do not work well in my Kozak or Sapsan

lee5euk said:

To be fair if you want the GK1 for max power then a regulator isn't the way forward.
But if you don't mind some non crazy yet still decent powers and each shots power to be pretty much identical, then the Huma kit is worth every penny.
Yes possibly you lose a tiny bit of air but the power consistency is amazing.
My Regulator is set to 125Bar (this is probably the lowest you can set it to in order for the gun to index correctly) and in a .25 calibre shooting at:
12fpe = 105 shots.
20fpe = 75 shots
30fpe = 34 shots
All with a power deviation of 1 (if that)

Obviously in Carbine form with a nice scope on it, power consistency is always a bonus and let's be honest, 30fpe is still a massive amount of power.
In the UK the power law for pistols is sub 6fpe
Rifles/Carbines is sub 12fpe

I visit Greece quite often where there are no power restrictions and that is where I shoot mine at 30fpe.

I hope that helps.

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Hi ! I have a Huben GK1 V3 .22 without a regulator.
I wanted to know some information about the rate of fire with the Huma Air regulator. This question wasn't asked here, but I think the rate of fire is important for a pistol. I assume you have the Huma Air 70-165 bar regulator, right?
How many seconds does it take for the regulator to fill with air between each shot at 125 bar ? I'm considering getting one, but I'm afraid the rate of fire will become too low with a regulator.

Yeah, I downloaded their pdf instructions. I saved the link to their blog. I was just wondering if there were some do's and don'ts any one could pass on. After 6 or 7 Air Force guns I'm finally putting a superstar in 2 of them.

I love his youtube videos, RIP Paul!

Necessity is the mother of invention. Glad you get to shoot!

Reviving this. in essence as a shoutout to Jarkko.
I did get me a SL and as all other pcp´s of course took it apart completely.

Albeit i´ve got some rather serious critique on the unit for Hatsan the power claimed though is there with an absolute minimum of modifications.

There´s a few of us that run this rifle that compare notes that keep heavy machinery AND the know-how needed why the following is to be said.

It´s basically held back at two points. The valve/poppet setup and the entry port on the barrel.
The latter is simple enough to port out to more in reason dimensions with the rest of the transfer circuit. Just go at it i say but keep absolute diameter in mind.

The valve is a bit more involved and takes a bit of machining to get right.

Be that as it may there´s those of us that have seen beyond 200 Joules for the 25 @ very elevated reg pressures but be that as it may with a tad of porting and a reworked valve assy the thing lingers along calmly at 135bars handing an easy 130 Joules.
So yes.
The SL can no doubt be had to deliver, that much is for sure.

On a completely different note it became sorts of a pet peeve to me the length of this unit. With one of my own 220mm long cans out front to keep it silent in operation it turned just silly.
Well.
There´s a remedy for that carrying the thing around, as i looked through the parts list for FX stuff.... the foldable stock hinge for their Dreamline and what not. Not overly expensive seeing what it is either.





More or less direct fit install, and does it ever make for a difference. IMO this is how this insanely long gun should be delivered from Hatsan.
Anyway.
I´ll make a separate post on my findings as far as the gun shortly.

nomojo65 said:

I have a king and it loves the JTS OR AEA .30 50’s if you want to sell them I will BUY them? I will trade for yours for my JSB Both 44’s 50’s I have them listed in the ads

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The Pellet Shop just sent me an email saying they have the AEA .30 50gr pellets in stock, hurry! I was on an email notification list, I don't know if this is common knowledge.

Depends on a lot of factors, I like both. For strictly target shooting which is primarily what I do with my airguns I prefer FFP so that's what I picked. SFP is great if you're going to be using the scope on lower magnification and needing to make quick shots.

You guys have put a lot of time and craftsmanship into your plinking galleries. They all look like a bunch of fun. And in nice green summer settings too!

I set up a range in the desert at various places. We have a few favorites. A big sand pit about 600 yards from my house is the best. It dosent make a pretty picture.

I keep my "range" in the back of my jeep. Everything is in a box. I can pull over and release the dinosaurs just about anywhere.

I like a sand surface so I can see my misses well. But we hide dinosaurs behind and around plants and rocks too. I keep a bag of wine corks to float down the river or plink across a pond. Prickly pear cactus fruit are a big hoot to plink this time of year.

In the past few years homes have moved in around me. I can't shoot at multiple ranges without the chance of a ricochet landing off the property. I have to shoot into a trap. So I've gone mobile.

Scouty said:

I very quickly compared the Discovery 1-8x24 & 2-12x24 as well as an Athlon 1-8x24, Vector 3-12x44 & a Dedal Stalker 6x.

I will note that when the Dedal was released it was marketed as having a massive FOV.

In order of greatest FOV to lowest with all at 6x:

Discovery 1-8x24

Athlon BTR Gen2 1-8x24

Vector Veyron 3-12x44

Discovery 2-12x24

Dedal Stalker 6x

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Also, it is overcast but with a fresh layer of snow here today. Looking at native grass poking above the snow, the reticle on the 2-12x24 is visible across the entire magnification range. For a 6x erector I'm really happy with this reticle. If I were to nitpick a bit, I would point out the hash marks are not visible to my eyes at 3x which is what I prefer to use for close range rabbits which sometimes require holdover. But that's unique to my eyes & shooting conditions.

The Veyron is useful from 6x & up & even then I wouldn't shoot a rabbit at 6x under today's coconditions. It's just too thin.

The Discovery 1-8x24 is rabbit worthy at 3x & above. I would plink at 1x with it but would not hunt with it at 1x, even if illuminated. Same issue with holdover hashes, however.

Indeed, since it is your first rifle, do not be in a hurry to make holes in the mice. Make holes in paper first. learn the fundamentals of shooting a rifle accurately. Dead mice tell no tales.

Yea that video tests are bananas, unless he repeated the test at least 10 times with each distance to eradicate the chance that its simply inconsistency due to pellet head/weight or guns air release presenting variations in the data.

Frankly, I have no skin in this game, I didn't know air stripper distance from muzzle bared any significance on group size. Today I learned.

-Matt

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Taking inventory. LH row, from the top, Crosman 1008, Daisy 188, Crosman 338, Daisy Powerline 5501, Browning Buckmark, Crosman Phantom, Webley Hurricane, American Classic 1377, another American Classic 1377.
RH row, from the top, Umarex DX17, Marksman Repeater, Crosman Powerline 1200, Gamo PT80, another Marksman Repeater, Daisy 1500, Daisy 200, Beeman P17, Unmarked probably Chinese break barrel, Daisy Powerline 15XT, Daisy 2003, another Daisy 188. Nothing much to see here, just my junk.
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My revolvers, from the top, Barra 1858, Daisy 179, Crosman Vigilante, Black Ops, Crosman 357, Umarex Brodax.
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The unmarked break barrel. It shoots great.
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The Webley Hurricane. My favorite local pawn shop had it for a while.
They had a 75% off sale one weekend so I bought it.

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Powerline 1200 was the first bb gun I ever shot myself with .. there was one for sale here a while ago.. i was thinking of buying it for nostalgic purposes.. it's a Daisy Powerline 1200