I have been continued to test pellets in my new Avenge-X in .177. I have found some nice low power setting rounds. These shoot at the 0.50" at 50-yards level. I am not sure I can expect a lot more than that here. So now I am looking to find something that works on the "high" setting. Note I am not tweaking the rifle. While it is highly tweakable, indeed intended to be tweaked, I wanted to see how I could do with it as it came new from the box. As usual it goes into my video diary.

Avenge-X .177 PCP Pellet testing Round 3: 50-yards

Benjamin Match 10.5gr (Sorted)
JSB Monster Redesign 13.43 (862fps SD 3.68)
JSB Beast 16.2 (802fps SD 7.42)

Avenge-X Base Model Power Setting High
Vortex Crossfire II 6 to 18
Bald Eagle Front Res
tSinclair Bag RiderP
rotektor #13 Rear Bag
Custom Bag Rider
Air Pressure was kept 3000 psi or higher throughout.

The weather was 88-degrees Fahrenheit with about 80% humidity. There was a slight 0 to 5 mph wind. It varied in direction but was largely a cross wind.

The rifle is stock, and there are no tweaks to the gun. The bottle started the day at full capacity. I took a couple of shots to sight in the rifle. The shots all remained on the regulator. The rifle was kept with a total pressure of 3000 psi or higher. The regular remained about 1800 psi.

The best shooting was the JSB Monster Redesign 13.43 grains. The Benjamin performed OK but had some looping.

Some of the UK guys have them on their 12 fpe guns. I have one on my Red Wolf and love it. The Mrad reticle has 0.2 mil graduation hash marks

Hateful McNasty said:

Lol... If I shot all that at 20y with my HW I'd be ok with it .. lol
.. . I'd be blaming me , my hold or the wind ..

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I've been doing the same. I've kept working on it because my instinct was telling me that the gun was great. I never felt like i was throwing those pellets all over. This card makes it clear to me that it's not me or the gun.

Matt7467 said:

I just ordered a Zelos .22 on Friday and it came to $418 to my door. Well actually, it will be to my door on Thursday according to tracking.

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Best airgun I bought in the past year.

Stubbers said:

Glad you came to this conclusion.

Really the most you should do, if you ever do tear it down, is, as I mentioned in a pm to you, measure the free flight via the slot where the trigger/sear enters. Optimal free flight distance is 1-1.2mm, and if it were to be sub ~2mm I wouldn't bother messing with it.

Until then, enjoy your gun, and don't worry about a shim turning it into a leaf blower if you do happen to someday reduce the free flight to a degree...

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I really love that gun. Thank you all for all the answers and help. I really appreciate it

DeanB said:

Thats funny when I just looked at website it showed 6.95#, guess they cant make up their mind. Never hear of manufacturer including weight of pellets in actual weight. Airgun Depot probably put lighter weight to help sell more guns. Pyramyd didnt even have weight when I looked.

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Where did you see the 6.95# on umarex? Strange indeed!

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Oh, wait, I see it now, .22 cal says 6.94 and .25 cal says 6.74...


Now that is funny!

Avs 62.5 grain slugs fit in the 30 cal mags without any modifications. They shoot well in .3063 diameter w/ dish base.

RM.510bigbore said:

I'm kind of disabled so Long range shooting in my area has been a challange. That being said i finally got my tractor fixed and restored...So its ready to go to our other family property to brush hog.. Should be able to setup 230 -275 yard range there..I move slow but am moving in the right direction..I need to be able to drive on my ranges to the targets..I have about 200 lbs of .510 slugs ready to go

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Well I hope you get everything going soon!! 275yds is definitely a good home rang for sure!! Mannnnnnn, 200lbs. I would definitely say you are ready!!!!

I ordered one, It should be here tomorrow, Thanks for sharing!

Has anyone had good success with a lee 340 grain mold in their extreme big bore .457??

Ezana4CE said:

Wooden dowels
Brass brushes and nylon brushes
Scope leveling kit
Patchworm/Pull through cleaning kit
silicone grease
Ballistol

Edited to add: a rubber mallet

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Ok … for the OP
time to compile and consolidate all the inputs for us!
but
add a torque wrench for proper torque on things like scope rings
add a proper device for holding the Airguns securely and level
add shop rags
add glass cleaner
add ballistol
add blue? Loktite
add common sense as it’s not readily available in most places

Do you have the digital pressure gauges installed?
Makes the tuning of this rifle much easier ..i use the digital gauge from Orc air...about 50 bucks

What i have done is to chart the pellet i am testing.
Take a shot..record the FPS and the High Pressure reading...bump up the high pressure reg and shoot.
usually from 800 fps to high 900's.
So when people say they have good results at a certain speed, you can look at your chart and dial it in to see if it works for you.
This will give you a general idea of where to start the fine tuning
I have learned that the low pressure setting is performing better when increased to a 14-15 % of the hpr

Mine is a .22
i can say you can get these tuned with small adjustments and patience.
i have mine @965 fps with a ES od 5 and SD of 1.4 ..this was over 20 shots ... just time, little adjustments and patience

Yes anthony has two I have been sick planning to call him tomorrow to get one.

I have a Dream Tac and a Mk2 Crown, both in .25. With the Dream Tac, it only has the power to push 25.4g JSBs to 895fps. With the Mk2 Crown, I'm pushing the limit with 33.95 JSB heavies at 890-895fps. The Crown is a great bench rifle at 50 yards, but it doesn't have the power to push heavier slugs for 75-100 yards.

Wanting more power capability, I just picked up a 700mm .25 Panthera from Utah during their Labor Day sale.

EmersonWaved said:

Gotcha. I suppose only option is maybe the seneca double shot or to drop the whole shotshell airgun possibility as it seems we arent there yet

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If noise is a concern, The double shot has no moderator. A friend had a Sumatra in .22, without a moderator it sounded as loud as a .22 magnum.

I have a airforce texan 457ss and a ronin moderator will an empower or great kami be that much quieter to justify purchasing for a hunting set up or will the ronin be fine? Thank you

Like or similar to one of these examples:

snipelango said:

Hello! I was watching a video on YouTube, and the man said that there are pellets/slugs that perform poorly at close range but perform well at long range, and that they can stabilize with distance.
Is that possible?
Because if a pellet/slug doesn't group well at close range, it will be even worse at long range, since it's already destabilized up close, and this would only get worse with more distance, right?

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Yes, it's possible, but with a notable asterisk being that the close vs. long range performance must be relative to another projectile.

As an example, if a person is shooting a well-tuned gun with standard dome/diabolo pellets, they might see a 0.25" CTC group at 30yds. That result is sub-MOA. Very nice. But when they move out to 100yds, the groups open way up to 6.0" CTC, nearly 6 MOA, and what most would consider quite poor. So that scenario shot great at close range and poor at long range.

Now if we compare that to a higher BC projectile like a slug, you may see a 0.5" CTC group at 30yds. A little over 1 MOA, so decent, but not as good as the pellets. But then move the range out to 100yds, and the slugs may print 2.0" CTC groups. Quite a better better than the pellets at that range, largely due to the better BC.

So this was an example of where in a relative manner the slugs performed worse (relatively) at close range, but better at long range. The key is that it is relative to the other projectile, and this is why you will sometimes hear such comments that a projectile is better at long range than it is at short range. It's basically an incomplete comment, but can be true when taken in the full context.

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Awesome!!!! Updating all my snafus today was actually fun its that cool. Great dev work, UI is beautiful, intuitive and makes it super easy to use. Nice support pages too!

Looking forward to this being a great addition to matches, frees up valuable time to focus more on our shooters! Gut Schuss!

WoodWelder said:

I also have the HW45 in 20 cal......Nice find on the P1

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Thank you all

Mannn bro... It really looks good!! You did a good job on the bottle as well!!

RavenRider said:

I have a question, above bigHUN mentions "fire lapping the FX Liners, how can you fire lap an pellet rifle barrel?

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"Fire Lapping" is when you coat a pellet with a lapping compound and shoot it in hopes to smooth the barrel out. Where it can be effective, most consider it a last ditch effort

rodm1 said:

If they work please link.

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I gave the needle another attempt, but I was afraid I’d end up doing more damage than good. I followed some advice by recommend getting a hold of some brass picks. I ended up ordering these (Next Day Delivery) and was able to remove the o-rings within a matter of minutes.

As HogKiller mentioned, reference Post #13 on this thread, those things get tricky if they’re older.

Ballisticboy said:

Can be yes, it only needs to be a few thou out to give a problem.

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Only a few thousandths of a grain off the centerline to cause a problem? or a few thousandths of a distance?
Are there any practical tools to check concentricity or where the center of gravity is relative to the "centerline"?