Ezana4CE said:

Wooden dowels
Brass brushes and nylon brushes
Scope leveling kit
Patchworm/Pull through cleaning kit
silicone grease
Ballistol

Edited to add: a rubber mallet

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Ok … for the OP
time to compile and consolidate all the inputs for us!
but
add a torque wrench for proper torque on things like scope rings
add a proper device for holding the Airguns securely and level
add shop rags
add glass cleaner
add ballistol
add blue? Loktite
add common sense as it’s not readily available in most places

Do you have the digital pressure gauges installed?
Makes the tuning of this rifle much easier ..i use the digital gauge from Orc air...about 50 bucks

What i have done is to chart the pellet i am testing.
Take a shot..record the FPS and the High Pressure reading...bump up the high pressure reg and shoot.
usually from 800 fps to high 900's.
So when people say they have good results at a certain speed, you can look at your chart and dial it in to see if it works for you.
This will give you a general idea of where to start the fine tuning
I have learned that the low pressure setting is performing better when increased to a 14-15 % of the hpr

Mine is a .22
i can say you can get these tuned with small adjustments and patience.
i have mine @965 fps with a ES od 5 and SD of 1.4 ..this was over 20 shots ... just time, little adjustments and patience

Yes anthony has two I have been sick planning to call him tomorrow to get one.

I have a Dream Tac and a Mk2 Crown, both in .25. With the Dream Tac, it only has the power to push 25.4g JSBs to 895fps. With the Mk2 Crown, I'm pushing the limit with 33.95 JSB heavies at 890-895fps. The Crown is a great bench rifle at 50 yards, but it doesn't have the power to push heavier slugs for 75-100 yards.

Wanting more power capability, I just picked up a 700mm .25 Panthera from Utah during their Labor Day sale.

EmersonWaved said:

Gotcha. I suppose only option is maybe the seneca double shot or to drop the whole shotshell airgun possibility as it seems we arent there yet

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If noise is a concern, The double shot has no moderator. A friend had a Sumatra in .22, without a moderator it sounded as loud as a .22 magnum.

I have a airforce texan 457ss and a ronin moderator will an empower or great kami be that much quieter to justify purchasing for a hunting set up or will the ronin be fine? Thank you

Like or similar to one of these examples:

snipelango said:

Hello! I was watching a video on YouTube, and the man said that there are pellets/slugs that perform poorly at close range but perform well at long range, and that they can stabilize with distance.
Is that possible?
Because if a pellet/slug doesn't group well at close range, it will be even worse at long range, since it's already destabilized up close, and this would only get worse with more distance, right?

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Yes, it's possible, but with a notable asterisk being that the close vs. long range performance must be relative to another projectile.

As an example, if a person is shooting a well-tuned gun with standard dome/diabolo pellets, they might see a 0.25" CTC group at 30yds. That result is sub-MOA. Very nice. But when they move out to 100yds, the groups open way up to 6.0" CTC, nearly 6 MOA, and what most would consider quite poor. So that scenario shot great at close range and poor at long range.

Now if we compare that to a higher BC projectile like a slug, you may see a 0.5" CTC group at 30yds. A little over 1 MOA, so decent, but not as good as the pellets. But then move the range out to 100yds, and the slugs may print 2.0" CTC groups. Quite a better better than the pellets at that range, largely due to the better BC.

So this was an example of where in a relative manner the slugs performed worse (relatively) at close range, but better at long range. The key is that it is relative to the other projectile, and this is why you will sometimes hear such comments that a projectile is better at long range than it is at short range. It's basically an incomplete comment, but can be true when taken in the full context.

Season 5 of the Airgunner Challenge is starting September 25 @ 6:30 and 10:30 EST on the Outdoor Channel.

Love what this show does for the industry as a whole. Sharing the love of airguns and the fun with so many NEW and yet to be airgunners every year. It is also crazy how many people I bump into that watch the show. Keep up the great work @American Airgunner!

Are you Ready? American Airgunner Challenge 2024 is Coming!

Awesome!!!! Updating all my snafus today was actually fun its that cool. Great dev work, UI is beautiful, intuitive and makes it super easy to use. Nice support pages too!

Looking forward to this being a great addition to matches, frees up valuable time to focus more on our shooters! Gut Schuss!

WoodWelder said:

I also have the HW45 in 20 cal......Nice find on the P1

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Thank you all

Mannn bro... It really looks good!! You did a good job on the bottle as well!!

RavenRider said:

I have a question, above bigHUN mentions "fire lapping the FX Liners, how can you fire lap an pellet rifle barrel?

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"Fire Lapping" is when you coat a pellet with a lapping compound and shoot it in hopes to smooth the barrel out. Where it can be effective, most consider it a last ditch effort

rodm1 said:

If they work please link.

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I gave the needle another attempt, but I was afraid I’d end up doing more damage than good. I followed some advice by recommend getting a hold of some brass picks. I ended up ordering these (Next Day Delivery) and was able to remove the o-rings within a matter of minutes.

As HogKiller mentioned, reference Post #13 on this thread, those things get tricky if they’re older.

Ballisticboy said:

Can be yes, it only needs to be a few thou out to give a problem.

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Only a few thousandths of a grain off the centerline to cause a problem? or a few thousandths of a distance?
Are there any practical tools to check concentricity or where the center of gravity is relative to the "centerline"?

My .177 Brocock Bantam chambers and shoots the 13.43g JSB Knockout slugs the exact same as 13.43g JSB Monster pellets.
Occasionally, a slug may get hung up in the mag if I try to cycle the action too fast.

Some pellets,even the same weight like different speeds. While this pellet may shoot good at 890fps,another may not. I just so happen to find a good speed for fx pellets,even when it's windy, they cut right Thur it like a slug,hardly much dirft,at a faster speed using a faster twist liner. They don't start their speed curve till after 100 yards. I shot last nite. If I posted the target,some would say it's not true. I'm gonna see if I can get off work this weekend to go watch PAc. They do allow people to watch or do I have to be registered for that also?

That’s nice stalk

So I ordered the AAO kit. I was emailing back and forth with Jeremy with AAO with a few questions. He said they suggested a 580cc bottle be used with the kit... I found one on Amazon for $130!!

Ezana4CE said:

@Pachangibiri1 I can't say. What I can say is that the member that created the linked thread is reputable and credible. He articulates his size in post #1, also read post #13.

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Got me confused. I’m a 65 yr old man that weighs 135lbs when wet!!! I ain’t no Superman.

Thanks to everyone. I ended up purchasing a gx cs4 and bought a used leshiy 2 from a fellow AN member. This weekend should be fun (assuming the compressor comes on time)

Tough crowd in here lol..nice upgrades to me. I wonder just how many units of the failed avenger AV has sold

I got about 6 i need to send him.

Ok there's a few things to consider a piston gun "warm up" period. There's actually alot but I'll try to keep this to the basics.

If a gun needs to cycle a few times to loosen up the lubricant it probably either has too much and or the wrong lubricant. Piston guns need very little lubricant. Unless your shooting in freezing weather lubrication should not make a difference.

Piston seals will change dimensions with heat. They typically become larger, thus tighter and slower. There's heat that comes from air compression. There's a flash of heat in each cycle hot enough to ignite most lubricants. This heat flash only last milliseconds and doesn't last long enough to normally raise the overall gun temps. Any slight amouts of conducted heat is easily radiated away by the metal compression tube and piston under normal conditions.

Still its pretty common for piston guns to settle down a 10 fps in the first few shots. I believe this is more the result of exercising the seal back to full size from air pressure.

However during prolonged use compression heat doesn't completely dissipate as well and the gun will some times slow even more. You'll see POI shift and groups open up. Its because the seal becomes tight to the bore and loose on the piston anvil. The number of shots it takes to see this depend on the rifle, rate of fire and ambient temperature. During cooler weather you may never experience this.

However in hot sunny conditions a black steel tube gets hot enough on its own that it can't dissipate the compression heat well. After extended use you'll be able to feel the compression end of the tube is actually hotter than the rest of the gun. I've experienced >40fps losses and had groups turn to complete garbage. Put the gun in the shade a half hour and it goes back to shooting normally.

Not all piston guns experience this to the same extremes because not all piston guns use the same seal design. The Weihrauchs I love so much are probably the most temperature temperamental because their piston seal is a solid cap that spans the full diameter of the bore. This causes more thermal expansion than other designs. Hollow piston seal designs like some Dianas and AA are far less suseptible to heat issues.

Jigheadworm said:

Maybe they will get the new 30 cal mags out soon. A little report on the gun got the vulcan 3 hp 30 cal from Talon tunes gun was tuned to 980 fps with 62.5 Avs slugs was surprized by how good it shot JSB hades pellets 9 shot mag at 50 yds was nickel size and 61 gr AVS was less than a dime. My chrono was messing up but the Jsb hades pellets where doing 1098 fps

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Put a 28mm wika gauge on it and while it was degassed i turned the reg up 1/2 turn velocity was 1052 avg over a magazine speed started dropping around 215 bar. Refilled the gun to 300 bar and velocity was only 900 fps until i shot down to around 270 bar then velocity jumped to 1050 fps so i may need to back down reg a little bit