I just skimmed over this thread & see there has been some talk about slugs. I've never tried them but I think it was user @weevil who did a .177 slug tune for the Classic using the factory 350mm barrel. It's an older thread so not to be confused with his recent L2 .177 slug tune.

Airgun Al said:

The Notos is very quiet.
Im courious how much louder it gets, after simply porting.
Is there a noticable difference?

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You'd be increasing the max flow rate of the porting, thus increasing pressure behind the pellet and down the barrel, resulting in more energy. Yes it would be noticeable to someone with good hearing, the younger the person the more noticeable (hearing worsens as we age, regardless of damage).

-Matt

Yeah wrong forum but I’d call the manufacturer

Gerry52 said:

In the 4 or so years I've been using a compressor I've yet to have any 2 gauges read exactly alike. Always a couple hundred lbs discrepancy. I just average it out.

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Agreed. Although you would expect them to stay in direct relation to each other as the pressure goes up... vs... ticking along together and then one suddenly shooting up nearly 1000psi higher than the other in a matter of just a couple seconds. As if there was a sudden blockage high up in the hose line.

Much like you see when you're doing a leak test with just a single plugged off line. Only taking a few seconds to go from 0 to 3k.

Ingenius there brawler! And, excellent execution of lead carving techniques

mercado said:

Hi .. do you have an idea when the uragan 3 600mm will be in US and if the price would be similar to the U2 .. + does the barrel in the 600mm will be unchoke....?

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I don’t know any of this info. I believe the 600mm will not be choked as it’s not choked currently. It seems AGT has embraced producing slug shooters!

Sorry if I derailed the thread by asking about the chronograph. It doesn't matter what chronograph you are using as long as you trust the readings it gives you.

stovepipe

Weird??? I get 25 to 50 emails a day (Closer to 100 on a busy day). I answer them as quickly as possible, typically when I am out of the shop for the day (Evenings and weekends). [email protected]

i would guess the pellets you are using you have been using so pellet problem maybe not
but what does the Crosman 2240 pistol have that this rifle is showing now as stated above the pellet hanging up on the breech screw
the simple fix has always been some black candle wax over the screw and that is what i would try black, white, green who cares
i small birthday candle and smooth out and test

thomasair said:

That's a cool leather junk cover

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Thanks for the reminder on the session renaming. I have not used this feature, and as I am testing different rifles and pellets, this would help me quickly find past shot strings. I.e., “Revere 18.1g at 845 fps tune.”

Bronze brush wrapped with a cleaning pad on a CF rod.

They may be too stiff for the Zellos but a hammer spring from a Bullshark or P35X might help if you can get somebody to order one for you from SPA (and you are patient, SPA only seems to ship parts with guns and suppliers only get a shipment or two a year). My P35s and my Bullshark have a hammer spring 8.5mm in diameter with 1.2mm wire and 55 mm long. My P35X has a hammer spring that is 8.5mm diameter with 1.3mm wire and the spring is 48 mm long. I'd love to have several P35X springs for my P35s.

The valve diameter has a lot to do with how much hammer spring force is necessary to open the valve. Older P35s and Bullsharks have a plastic 8 mm valve. My bullshark and my P35X had brass poppets that are smaller in diameter (and thus easier to open). I don't know what the Zellos has but in pictures it appears to be brass and looks like my bullsharks and P35X. P35s cannot open the valve with the regulator set at 150 bar or above. If I had both a Zellos and a P35 I would try swapping springs. Might help both guns.

8.5mm springs are rare as I think you are finding. I tried an 8mm spring in my P35-177 and it kind of worked but there is a pin on the hammer spring adjuster that goes up inside the spring and was tight enough the spring bound a little on it. I shortened the stock spring 1 turn and it helped.

What is a "know"?

Sawney Bean said:

You're undoubtedly right and I'm sure we'll first see these kinds of laws at the state and local level, but I don't think we should do a damn thing to try and pacify these people. They don't like the fact that we're armed period and they won't stop by banning big bores or full-autos. In parts of Australia they have actually banned gel blasters. That's right, glorified squirt guns are items far too dangerous to trust the citizenry of Australia with. There is simply a puritanical element of the left that thinks that any armament or simulated armament of any kind should be banned for civilians and we shouldn't give in to them because there is absolutely nothing to gain by doing so.

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Plenty to lose if we do give in though.

88turbocoupe said:

is that a burst disc on the side 5000 psi?
is that front lens resting on the rail? looks close from that angle
not sure if the same shims will work like they do for the notos
but they make different sizes in .1mm increments i shimmed my plenum extension with them worked mint
maybe you could do the same?

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Yes 5000 psi burst disc, no the scope does no contact the rail

drumie said:

My Mora in 357 will out shoot my Slayer 357 at close to the same power level. The Mora is also quieter than my Slayer by a large margin. The Slayer definitely is more robust. It wouldn't faze me if I dropped my Slayer but if I dropped my Mora I would be looking it over carefully. This isn't saying it isn't well made, just not built as tough as the AAA guns. I have a bunch of other 357 cal guns, Impacts, Ataman, Benjamin, Evanex. The Mora is much better than them. Way more regulated power and can fit the long slugs. And it will out shoot all of my other 357.

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Awesome thanks for the response. Just ordered a mora sniper in .25.

drumie said:

My Mora in 357 will out shoot my Slayer 357 at close to the same power level. The Mora is also quieter than my Slayer by a large margin. The Slayer definitely is more robust. It wouldn't faze me if I dropped my Slayer but if I dropped my Mora I would be looking it over carefully. This isn't saying it isn't well made, just not built as tough as the AAA guns. I have a bunch of other 357 cal guns, Impacts, Ataman, Benjamin, Evanex. The Mora is much better than them. Way more regulated power and can fit the long slugs. And it will out shoot all of my other 357.

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Awesome. Was looking for a platform to shoot high bc slugs at high fps. I eradicate deers pigs and goats usually in close proximity to houses and have a fx mk2 .30 that gets around 90ft/lb energy and have taken down over 100 medium size animals with all headshots. That being said i have to back up shot bigger animals as i dont have the penetration at 90 ft/lbs. Couple buddies i hunt with have .357 fx king and .357 AEA challeger pro and with them shooting hollow pt slugs they still have trouble with penetrating skulls as i think the shot placement has to be squared up to get a solid impact and energy dump Just ordered the mora sniper in .25 as i hope will be the skull puncher with ATP 60gr queens going at 120 ft/lb.

Not sure if the rear angled part where the web of hand rests gets in the way of the stock...

This .22 is running about 32 fpe and is very accurate. 5 shots, 5 hits, 35 yards.

bchannell said:

I'm pretty sure there's no oring in there, but not positive. There certainly is no groove for it, unless there's a ring in there that I can't see. Anyway, for the first time ever, I gave up and sent the Impact to AOA for a reseal. I've got too much to do right now and I just couldn't see what it should have looked like. So, 4 weeks and it'll likely be fixed, and I can move on to other stuff.

My reg looks different than most, it has two tiny internal orings in the "house", one for the piston, and one for the adjustment screw. They looked hard to change, but turned out really easy. There is one on the piston, easily changed. There is on on the outside end of the "house" also easy to change. I did all that and it still leaks. There may be a flattened, hard oring in the action, but I couldn't tell and didn't want to go digging, not knowing for sure. The "house" does have a black mark/ring on it, that looks like it has been in contact with an oring, but for the life of me, I couldn't make it out. Anyway, it's their problem now.

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I'm not pretty sure there is an o ring in there. I am positive there is one. That's what seals the reg from leaking. Seem like you replaced all the o rings on the reg except the one inside the action/under the trigger. That is causing the leak. It's a simple change. What I do is, I use a sewing needle and poke the o ring. Since it's not gonna be reuse I don't worry about damage the o ring. If you poke the o ring, you can lift it out from the groves. It's a 40 cent fix instead of shipping both ways, pay service fees and waiting a month.

marflow 777 said:

you know i know nothing about these rifles but i am a quick learner
so the seal that makes these rifle run is the part group 360ab but in that group the seal is called an Abutment and a new word for me
now JG airguns show them, and the price is fine but there shipping can take the fun out of it
https://www.jgairguns.biz/860-c-78_186_234/dai860t5-abutment-p-16330.html
now as i read and look it was an interesting little rifle
now there are parts out there and the problem is where are they and how to find them and that becomes the impossible part and believe me i have been chasing parts for all sorts of brands for 20 years
the factory or JG will be your source for parts and if Daisy has them the price plus the shipping costs will be far less but as Crosman had done in the past and Daisy i would think also, they sell the parts off to a parts seller and they become the only place to play and you pay their price or hope you find the Unicorn you are look for
and one last thing any parts will be as old as the last rifle produced and that matters little when it comes to hard parts but in the case of soft parts seals and the like they are not fresh by any means and that would or could be in most cases
good luck Mike

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Thanks!

i shoot every day, i have two pantheras, one impact m3 and a grs crown mk2, all are of highest power, 27 and 30 gram hammer wieghts, stronger springs, larger vavles, ect,,,the more pressure your add with reg, the more it takes to open it, open at higher pressure means more power for heaveir projectile, the hybrids at 1100fps go straight. the 40 grain for longer distances go good at 1050 fps . listen heres my number, your welcome to call me tomarrow and we can compare, maybe i can help you break a record, i dont do vids, itd get me in trouble 7314316882

huntr said:

I thought it was ‘ one is none, two is one’.

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Touche!

-Matt

grackleblast said:

1968 , I was 12 years old and a terror to the chipmunks and sparrows. Smooth bore , metal and wood . I was making my shots count cause a tin of pellets constituted the bulk of my weekly allowance. But those were good days long gone but never forgotten............................

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You can really see the progression towards more and more cheaply made guns when you look at Crosmans over the years. Their early stuff is really quite good. The 101's, 140's, 160's, MK1's and 600's were all high quality guns and the only thing they cheaped out on were the grips on the pistols. By the 1970's a lot more plastic was creeping in and the wooden stocks were mostly gone, but the receivers were still made of metal. By the 2000's plastic seemed to have become the rule even for breeches and receivers.

Their Benjamin line of products seems to have become what Crosman once was, so up until very recently they were still making the good stuff. Hopefully they can keep it up under the new ownership.

The JSB Knockout slugs 25.39gr either 216 or 217 put my bone stock Notos to 580~600 fps without adjusting anything. Stick with heavier pellets for lower fps.