Trucker3573 said:

ZZZ…heaviest compact Airgun in existence probably. Sorry love Skout but shrinking a barrel and a bottle on an epoch isn’t the way to the hunting crowds heart

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Haha, maybe there is more dieting involved….. with the air gun that is

Avenge-X .177 PCP Rimfire Central 50 Feet Round 1

Rifle - Avenge-X PCP .177 (New Wood Stock: Low Power Setting Low)

Class: PCP Air gun

Ammo: AA 10.3 Field Heavy Sorted to 10.4 and 4.52 head sized. Also Lubricated

Optic: Vortex Crossfire II 6 to 18

Front Rest: Bald Eagle Front Rest with Sinclair Bag Rider

Rear: Protektor #13 Rear Bag and Custom Bag Rider

This was indoors and about 68 degrees. Relatively dry air. The furnace kicked in which caused some air movement. This happened during the shoot.

It is full moon time here, so I was preparing for werewolf hunt. The wooden stock was installed in case an emergency arose, and I needed a stake. I know stakes are for vampires but the seasons overlap. I know I will have to switch to pure silver pellets, but they should shoot about as well as lead. They always do in all the movies.

I was shooting an A-17 target here. I had planned to shoot several different targets, but time was limited. The bottle started the day at full capacity. I took a few shots to sight in the rifle. Tank pressure started at just under 300 bar. The regular was about 1800 psi. Low Power Setting.

I got ona a month ago, leaks somewhere, need to tear into it and find the fix, spare parts were included for a reason

I'm asking about their barrel the .30 ECR; not the SubMoa. apologies, I mistakenly called it the EBR.

Yep, and it must've slowed down the factory seal
enough to rob the power. If I tried a factory seal now it would probably be better output.

Rob_in_NC said:

How many have noticed that your forum participation seems to get a jolt during the winter months? I visit here daily, multiple times a day, but notice that unless I tend to be a little more quiet during the summer months. I'm not stuck indoors as much and tend to be outside as much as possible when not at work.

But during the winter, I post a bit more... and look a little closer at the classifieds, unfortunately. I'm set up for 10m airgunning in my gun room, but sadly it doesnt get as much use as I figure it could/should during winter.

Anyone else notice the same of yourself?

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Rob,
Instead of shooting our guns -> “We shoot The Sh.it ……. “

beerthief said:

how about another set of racks in front of the ones you have already ? like off set sliding doors , one slides in front of the other ?
Maybe the front rack could slide and temporarily block a doorway while you pick a gun off the wall rack ? thereby saving wall space .
these would be on tracks top and bottom

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I was sarcastically going to say, hell with it put a motor on it and drive your rack to the range. But ironically Stan you might have sparked an idea. Crow

Congratulations on another great an informative hunting video

I wouldn't even think about doing airguns without a chronograph. They are indispensable to knowing what you have and how it's keeping up.

There's no telling what even a brand new German springer shoots without a chrono. They commonly have (mostly fixable) issues straight off the factory. Any used gun, or a gun that has been worked on in any way, and it's a complete guessing game without a chrono. And contrary to one opinion upthread, many, many guys work on their own springers. To me, personally, that's easily one half of the game / enjoyment.

Springers are hard enough to shoot accurately that you'll be deep in a bog of uncertainty if are unable to isolate variables. Your shooting may not be accurate / consistent because of you, or because of the gun. The chrono tells you when it's the gun. There are dozens of potential reasons why a gun doesn't shoot up / down to spec, or not consistently enough. Just a piston seal that's a little too tight can slice 100 fps off the MV, or a gun that is dieseling a little too much can spread velocities by 30 fps, but you can't tell (easily), without a chrono.

With fixed distances, you could do with low velocities and still be highly accurate, but you couldn't do with inconsistent velocities.

Cbourbeau32 said:

I get it now, thank you! Maybe I should order the ssg first and play with it first to see how high velocity I can get around the 1900 psi range while I'm saving for the huma.

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Yes, I agree you should do that.

Once a regulator is installed you will be shooting at the reg set pressure. With the unregulated (.25) M-Rod you are shooting, or at least I am, starting with a fill pressure of 3000 and usually down to about 1800 psi before the Bell curve drops off into the Grand Canyon. With the reg installed you are working at that bottom pressure you would normally have topped the rifle back off at. The only way to get your velocity back up once the regulator is installed is to port the rifle (including the valve or switch to a different valve). If I recall the standard porting for the M-Rod as it comes is around .14. That will be very restrictive to a regulated rifle working at 1800 to 2000 psi plenum pressure.

The breech seals can be replaced by O rings according to maxtrouble and marflow777:

The air tube seal is available on eBay, as mentioned above.

I dont believe they are high failure items, in my experience anyway.

Ydunn.223 has both the IZH 46M and AV46m for sale in the classifieds.

bchannell said:

I always wondered, why above reg pressure. In that state, the spring washers are under compression for long periods of time.
If stored just below reg pressure, the springs are at rest and all rings have pressure on them.
Just curious.

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I do it to keep the regulator valve seated. Valve seats keep their shape when closed and under some measure of pressure. My experience with regulator repair is all Feinwerkbau, they use a nylon or some other plastic for the regulator seat.

IanC said:

Thank you for starting this thread there are some really beautiful rifles here. Just curious though. I have a fairly rough condition HW35 no rust just old with a poor finish. I think it might be neat to get my rifle chromed. Does the chrome process also chrome the inside of the compression tube and barrel? If so does the movement of the piston scrape the chrome and produce chips? Or is there a way to just have the chrome on the external surfaces only?

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I'm no expert on metal finishing, but it's typical to seal up openings so that only exterior surfaces are done.

True chrome plating is extremely durable though. The AK 47 has a chrome-plated bore.

Have you checked the..."Search" function ??

It has a LOT of reading already written on the subject ! No waiting, just read away, same folks answering those questions as will answer your...question.

Mike

Engg.Ken said:

Take a caliber on Pyramyd air, and sort the highest rated pellet made by JSB, that is the weight option Halo should come by. as far as 177 goes, as GMI we have been working independently on our XHP line of tooling which is conceptually a lightweight slug designed around pellet weight. So far we are yet to get success with the ongoing tests.

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I look forward to further developments with your XHP line.

Hello everyone,

Cleaning out my shooting room I found this set of Custom Made Curly Maple Grips to fit a Colt Special Combat Classic made by Umarex. This is the .177 cal BB CO2 model.

I had a fellow make two pair for me and I have one pair on my pistol ( see photo ) and I do not need this extra pair.

If you own one of these pistols and would like to have this extra pair for free, send me a PM along with a photo of your pistol with today's date in the photo. In the event there is more than one person, then after one week I will contact the winner to get his shipping address.

ThomasT

Awesome, while I truly hate rats and mice, some reptiles also qualify.

Thank you for sharing your experience. My HW shoots better than 1 inch at 20 meters. I’m trying to extract better accuracy with the rifle I have. Cheers mate and merry Christmas.

I just visited AAA before the SHOT show... he had a PILE of HPS and EVOL receivers sitting on the assembly bench and bins full of parts along with a few assembled ones. Seems like the holdup is the barrels but I may be incorrect... they had one of the barrel making machines break and were wating on parts from the manufacturer.
I really think the HPS is going to be incredible... well worth the wait.
I did get the new easy cocking hammer system back when I fitted the 177 barrel to my EVOL and it's a good improvement though cocking a Ghost side by side with it, still more effort. Personally, I would prefer a little effort to give up some robustness or durability, so I'm fine with it.
Bob

I think the real key to all this is understanding the real statistical variance of one's gun / shooting system. If you know that, you know what to expect.

As an example of figuring this out, when the conditions are ideal, I'll run a "benchmarking" benchrest test on my rigs. Below is the results of one I did where I took 80 shots at 80 bulls at 50 yards with my Air Ranger on a dead calm day at home. When I do this, I smooth out the surface of a duct seal trap and put the target paper directly on the duct seal - this gives me perfect holes and can measure the center of the shot in both the X and Y dimension relative to the POA (the center of the bull), and then I can do all sorts of wonderful statistical analysis in Excel.

The picture shows the plot of the full "80 shot group" both as shot, and slightly corrected so the COI (Center of Impact, or average POI) is dead on the POA, with scores and data for each. The worst shot of the 80 was only 10.7 mm off the POA, or 10.1 mm off after correction, so the gun is clearly very accurate and the conditions were clearly very calm. No hold off for wind was used - all shots were aimed dead on the bull. There were no called flyers, and the concentration this took for 80 shots was almost exhausting - that is why I stopped there instead of pushing through to 100.

I used a random number generator to pull "groups" of 5 and 10 shots out of the data, and then assessed them for min max and average. Based on ~10,000 5 shot groups and ~5,000 10 shot groups, I found the following:

One thing I'll say is that people like to talk about "average group size" and I think that metric is just BS-ing ourselves as it mathematically scrubs out "outliers" that are not really outliers at all - they are just at the "bad end" of the normal operational range of the system. If one shoots five five shot groups, the average of the five does not mean much in terms of true system capability - a better question is to ask "how big the resulting 25 shot group would be" for those conditions, since that tells you what you really could expect to see if all does not go well, even if you do your absolute best. Infact, that should be what we use as our guns real "capability value" on any one given shot, as any one shot could fall in that larger window.

For that gun in those conditions, it basically said the gun could put the pellet within 11mm radially of the POA, so a potential max group of about 22mm seems likely – so call it an inch at 50 yards as the absolute worst case (since another 80 shots could yield one a bit farther out), but extremely unlikely. Of course that is in almost perfect conditions, benchrested taking great care on each shot, with the scope “perfectly” optically aligned so the COI matches the POA (which does not matter for “group size” anyways). Any shooting or sighting/range estimation errors will make it worse.

Anyways, that is the way I look at my shooting . . .

Thank you I ordered the longer handled one figured it would be easier to hold on to

I have a King in .30 and really like it! It’s my only long range gun. I don’t hunt with it just target shooting. And I did put a aluminum stock on it!

Just saw that, was getting a do over

1900colt said:

I'm not sure how much someone really wants to spend for "fast"... but when we take out some guns that are airhogs, we'll take the tank and a cs4-i. Fill the gun, hook the compressor up and let it top off the tank while we shoot.

Endless air supply and usually the tank is topped back off by the time we shoot and reload magazines. Those that have these big super expensive loud and stationary compressors are still limited to what they can carry in their tanks. Sure you can fill faster, but your air supply is limited to what is in that tank until you go home, and throw on a set of ear muffs to refill those bottles fast. That's the main reason I did not like the YH, it's faster but loud and you're not taking that thing with you anywhere easily either.

Everyone has their own idea of value and use. I think the vast majority of users do not need big, expensive compressors to enjoy this hobby at all. Just back to the K.I.S.S concept and the hobby will continue to grow.

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Yep. If you have 2 large tanks shooting at a remote location probably never run out of air. Use one tank shooting, while the other one is filling connected to your vehicle. When the 1st tank get too low the 2nd one will be full. Switch and repeat.

If you want to go green at 500+W solar panel may do the trick on a sunny day.