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Rifle and pistol "mix and match" match
- By AirNGasman
- Field Target
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Kudos to Martin for recognizing the red-headed step-child of Field Target. 
Thank you.
A few anecdotes, just FWIW.
Although Pistol FT growth has been slow, sometimes painfully so, since inception (around Y2K) it has been relatively steady. Some larger events now have over half the shooters also entering the pistol event. At the 2024 TEXtreme Field Target State Championships (the first weekend of December) we actually had as many Extreme Pistol shooters as Rifle shooters (14 in each competition). 
As if rifle FT isn't challenging enough, and FT match directors don't already have enough on their plates, Pistol FT is even more challenging for shooters and match directors alike; be that accommodating pistol shooters in the same event and course as rifle shooters, or stand-alone pistol matches.
With many of the best Pistol Field Target shooters attending my high-Troyer pistol matches, in our 20 foot-pound (maximum) pistol matches I've been allowing folks to shoot any airgun within that power limit, be it pistol or rifle. That lets non-pistol shooters and/or rifle shooters seeking more trigger-time in match conditions, more shooting opportunities in relatively low rifle-Troyer matches. Think sproinger, Co2, and/or multi-pump rifle FUN; hence the 'Fun Rifle' class name. Interestingly, none of the Fun Rifle shooters have cleaned a pistol course yet despite the rifle Troyer being in the high 20s (mid-40s pistol).
In the quarter-century since Pistol Field Target inception there have been quite impressive improvements in not only shooter skills, but equipment evolution(s). Consequently, Pistol rules have been something of a moving target.
We originally had a maximum target distance of 25 yards, minimum KZ diameter of 3/4", and course Troyer difficulties in the high 20s to mid 30s. But as shooters converted their (temperature-hypersensitive) Co2 pistols to high-pressure air, embraced more sophisticated RIFLE scopes, and bipods were allowed, the maximum target distance went to 30, then 35 yards (for AAFTA Pistol), the minimum KZ shrank to 1/2", and Pistol course Troyers climbed into the 40s. Top pistol shooters now routinely score as well as the average rifle shooters in RIFLE matches.
Somewhere along the Pistol Field Target history time-line some lunatic decided if 12 foot-pound (maximum) pistols and 35 yard maximum distances are fun, then 20 foot-pound pistols and 55 yard distances might be FUNNER. He not only ripped-off the AAFTA rifle power-limit of 20 foot-pounds, Hunter rifle scope magnification limit of 16X, and maximum AAFTA rifle target distance of 55 yards, but also ripped-off the term 'Extreme' from somewhere to name the (then) new Pistol FT competition. The maniac was right; and now runs the asylum. 
How right, you ask?
Ask Brocock, RAW, HW, and countless pistol FT shooters why they build and SELL 20 foot-pound pellet pistols capable of 1/2" groups at 55 yards.
History proves genius often mistaken for lunacy.
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Thank you.A few anecdotes, just FWIW.
Although Pistol FT growth has been slow, sometimes painfully so, since inception (around Y2K) it has been relatively steady. Some larger events now have over half the shooters also entering the pistol event. At the 2024 TEXtreme Field Target State Championships (the first weekend of December) we actually had as many Extreme Pistol shooters as Rifle shooters (14 in each competition)
. As if rifle FT isn't challenging enough, and FT match directors don't already have enough on their plates, Pistol FT is even more challenging for shooters and match directors alike; be that accommodating pistol shooters in the same event and course as rifle shooters, or stand-alone pistol matches.
With many of the best Pistol Field Target shooters attending my high-Troyer pistol matches, in our 20 foot-pound (maximum) pistol matches I've been allowing folks to shoot any airgun within that power limit, be it pistol or rifle. That lets non-pistol shooters and/or rifle shooters seeking more trigger-time in match conditions, more shooting opportunities in relatively low rifle-Troyer matches. Think sproinger, Co2, and/or multi-pump rifle FUN; hence the 'Fun Rifle' class name. Interestingly, none of the Fun Rifle shooters have cleaned a pistol course yet despite the rifle Troyer being in the high 20s (mid-40s pistol).
In the quarter-century since Pistol Field Target inception there have been quite impressive improvements in not only shooter skills, but equipment evolution(s). Consequently, Pistol rules have been something of a moving target.
We originally had a maximum target distance of 25 yards, minimum KZ diameter of 3/4", and course Troyer difficulties in the high 20s to mid 30s. But as shooters converted their (temperature-hypersensitive) Co2 pistols to high-pressure air, embraced more sophisticated RIFLE scopes, and bipods were allowed, the maximum target distance went to 30, then 35 yards (for AAFTA Pistol), the minimum KZ shrank to 1/2", and Pistol course Troyers climbed into the 40s. Top pistol shooters now routinely score as well as the average rifle shooters in RIFLE matches.
Somewhere along the Pistol Field Target history time-line some lunatic decided if 12 foot-pound (maximum) pistols and 35 yard maximum distances are fun, then 20 foot-pound pistols and 55 yard distances might be FUNNER.
He not only ripped-off the AAFTA rifle power-limit of 20 foot-pounds, Hunter rifle scope magnification limit of 16X, and maximum AAFTA rifle target distance of 55 yards, but also ripped-off the term 'Extreme' from somewhere to name the (then) new Pistol FT competition. The maniac was right; and now runs the asylum. How right, you ask?
Ask Brocock, RAW, HW, and countless pistol FT shooters why they build and SELL 20 foot-pound pellet pistols capable of 1/2" groups at 55 yards.
History proves genius often mistaken for lunacy.
.
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N/A New and old !
- By sekiar
- PCP Airguns
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Just received the pp700 from Wes in Canada today and thanks to him it was aired up and ready to shoot! The green one I’ve had for several years. Both great pistols. Charles
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Air Venturi AV Avenger “under charging”
- PCP Airguns
- 21 Replies
Received my o-ring kit from Captain o-ring, and replaced the rings I had found were leaking with the soapy water snoop test. The bad o-rings were three of the four 13-3 rings and both of the 12-2.5 rings in the two air chambers. Charged it right up to 300 bar with no problem and no further leaks seen at those places with a follow-up snoop test.
The old rings were stiff and hard to remove from their grooves, even with a hooked pick tool that I use for brake seals. I found it was much easier getting them off once I warmed them up well with a heat gun (industrial hair dryer). Installed each ring with a couple of drops of RWS silicone air gun oil. I did not bother with any locktite that some folks call out. Once the chamber is at pressure, there is no way those fittings are budging, nevermind coming unscrewed.
Below is a phone picture of the old hardened o-rings (top 2) vs. the new ones. 12mm on the left and 13mm on the right. If you look closely you can see that the tops of the two old ones are flat on top. They also did not stretch as easily until warmed up.
The old rings were stiff and hard to remove from their grooves, even with a hooked pick tool that I use for brake seals. I found it was much easier getting them off once I warmed them up well with a heat gun (industrial hair dryer). Installed each ring with a couple of drops of RWS silicone air gun oil. I did not bother with any locktite that some folks call out. Once the chamber is at pressure, there is no way those fittings are budging, nevermind coming unscrewed.
Below is a phone picture of the old hardened o-rings (top 2) vs. the new ones. 12mm on the left and 13mm on the right. If you look closely you can see that the tops of the two old ones are flat on top. They also did not stretch as easily until warmed up.
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Sekhmet 1/8 BSP digital pressure guage
- By Poke-E
- General Discussion
- 7 Replies
SMH, great idea!! I did not even think about that!!
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HW/Weihrauch Show your carbine springers!
- By rokonman
- Traditional Airguns
- 61 Replies
Can anyone explain this one to me? Weihrauch uses the K designation for carbines but Krale is selling these as K long.
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FX New to fx m4 .25 sniper, i love it but...
- By greenbeans
- PCP Airguns
- 24 Replies
Yeah I shoot AEA out of everything by now (in terms of pellets). Hands down better than anything else.
Don’t worry about the mora if you’re happy with the impact, it’s a different animal. Also there are reports on growing pains with the mora (clipping, block eating trigger, other issues) so I’d wait on it anyways. Plus it’s a big heavy beast, not something you want to drag around. The barrels are great though, I have an RPB on a prophet and it’s very very accurate. But so is my impact
and not saying the impact doesn’t have its own assortment of issues, but a dialed in impact with a good liner is as good as it gets to 100 imho.Upvote 0
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Daystate Experience Day 2025!
- Industry News
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Perhaps you’re the type who likes to try before you buy. Or maybe you simply like a good
day out. Either way, BRK and Daystate are offering you the chance to shoot their entire
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Daystate Experience Days 2025 - enjoy VIP hospitality packages for our professionally-led seminars, range demonstrations & celebrity workshops
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- Industry News
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Beeman Record setting R1??
- By PaulK62
- Traditional Airguns
- 39 Replies
I wouldn't say the guns I won at auction were "losers." They simply didn't work. Externally they were in good to great shape, plus they're rare, hard-to-find items that I was fortunate enough to obtain at a fairly good price.
I think you're reading waaaay too much into what I wrote. Regardless, I apologize if contradicting you caused any offense.Upvote 0