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Skout  Skout Epoch owners

I really like how they moved the charging port on the new compact to behind the grip inserts.
Always improving their designs with more user friendly features.
Charging port kit is only $20 for existing Epoch owners fyi. I ordered that with my parts to go from .30 to a LW .22 yesterday. As well as the skeletonized buttstock. So if anyone is wanting a 3 barrel .30 setup I'll probably be posting it and the BR stock.
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Tuning  Fx Crown: Looking for the "lost Knee"

Thank you so much for all the clarifications.
I must admit I'm a bit disappointed—I had always thought that the velocity curve relative to hammer spring preload followed a pattern of plateau → knee → downward slope. I understood the "knee" as what I'm showing in the diagram.

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Doc,

The author of the HAM article will describe the “knee” as approximately 3% below peak (plateau) velocity.

I tend to think of the knee as the start of the downslope - just below peak velocity.

It’s often hard to pinpoint exactly where peak/plateau velocity is - because of slight shot-to-shot variations.

Tuning is not an exact science… However, if you find the hammer spring preload where velocity is no longer increasing and then back off the preload so that velocity is about 4-5% lower than peak/plateau - you should be at a good place - you can then tweak velocity from there.

-Ed

Benjamin  Torn between the 2

@Kneepit Not yet. I did with the original Bulldog .357 using a Donny FL Emperor. That can knocked the report down a few decibels although, I wouldn't say it was quiet. It's a big bore and I'm in rural Texas. I shoot loud and proud. They generally are not quiet. I'm going through a gear check now about to head out on a night hunt with it.

@Kneepit Not yet. I did with the original Bulldog .357 using a Donny FL Emperor. That can knocked the report down a few decibels although, I wouldn't say it was quiet. It's a big bore and I'm in rural Texas. I shoot loud and proud. They generally are not quiet. I'm going through a gear check now about to head out on a night hunt with it.
Good luck and upload pics when you’re done👍

HW/Weihrauch  looking for the best to tuner my HW80

Remember to jeep the spring oiled up.
I shot my R1 250,000 times before I replaced the spring.
Why?
Just because.
I had a rebuild kit that I had bought when it was new and never used it.
The spring on TX#1 was replaced at 65,000 shots because it was wearing out.
It was not broken.
Oil the springs just Iike the valve springs in your automobile and they will last forever.
I have guns with tens of thousands of shots on their springs and no broken springs. Most of the factory springs are replaced with Maccari aftermarket kits. I use light coating of tar on spring and moly around sides of piston seal. This keeps the gun from dieseling which I believe causes much of the broken spring issues. Also, correctly fitting spring guides probably help as well. But, some people just have seriously bad luck and seem to break springs every other week.
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TXEDT032 vs TXEDT033

I have the 042 with the twin tower filter and I run an extra large inline filter for extra peace of mind. It takes 11 minutes to top off my 45 minute SCBA from 3400 to 4500 despite having to fill all three filters. I’ve been real happy with the speed of this unit, it doesn’t run long enough to get over 140 degrees.
Different animals , I’ve got both

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I'm not a hunter specifically but I have done enough long range shooting to share that a high power .22 can hang with a similar .30 out to 100y. The .30 ends up being more loopy and sensitive to your distance measurement but tends to hit harder at distance. In terms of ballistic coefficient, the right .22 can keep up with most .30s. Since airgun hunting potency relies on both accuracy and power, and real-world accuracy is heavily influenced by wind drift, I guess my point is I'm not giving the .30 a big advantage. And .25 is right in the sweet spot between them.

If there is a SCUBA shop nearby who can do 4000+psi fills, you might consider getting started with a big 4500psi tank. But keep in mind those high power PCPs will drain a big tank down to 250bar (which is a common max fill pressure for bottle PCP guns) in several refills, which might only add up to a hundred or two hundred shots. I think you'll need the big tank regardless since you're traveling to shoot. **
** there are portable compressors that run on generator or even your truck electric but I'm not too familiar with them. And I'm still a fan of the big fill tank.
I'd love to say there is a price point where compressors become dead reliable, but unfortunately that price point is around $4k. Spending $1k or $2k on a compressor probably helps but that does not eliminate reliability issues. There is a growing segment of airgunners who buy cheap (<$400) compressors, add water cooling, don't lean too hard on them, rebuild as required, and make them work for a tiny cost compared to the other options. Me, I picked up a $2k compressor in a local sale for $900 or so and knock on wood it's handled my weekly fills of my big tank for two years now.

There are some brands of PCP that have ample adjustments for regulator pressure, hammer spring preload, and port size. They can allow relatively large changes in tune relatively easily, but in my experience these are more complicated designs and a bit less reliable. (not unlike comparing Campy 12 speed to Shimano 10 speed) I'm a fan of the simpler, more durable high performers like the RAWs and Daystate mechanical guns. But there are many options and they can all work.

Make sure you buy scopes that focus as close as 15y minimum, preferably 10y minimum. I like FFP reticles for the kind of shooting you describe since I can rely on holdover charts and not be stuck taking my shot at one magnification.

Slugs are a big thing these days and ballistically awesome but I still think only a minority of PCP shooters have been successful with them. In a word, not for beginners. If I experiment with slug shooting again, I will buy a dedicated slug gun and get right to working out the perfect slug selection and tune. Pellets are way more forgiving and still quite accurate and powerful.

I appreciate the detailed info. I don't think an ultra reliable compressor is in the cards for me given that price point! I'll strive for 'good enough' at this point. *Adding* water cooling ex post facto is something I'm sure I could do if I had good instructions, but sounds like it'd just be a lot easier to pay the extra to get it right off the bat. Looking for a slightly used or NOS deal is usually how buy any hobby items, I'll probably go that way here too except that a warranty and support might be worth going new for. I don't have a ton of room to store these new accoutrements either, so I have to be wise about what I get. A big ass scuba tank's probably not in the cards either. A compressor I can find room if it's compact enough.

I like the cycling comparison. I'm a Shimano guy myself, because I try to make things easier on myself not harder! Though Campy does have some nice stuff, it's not nicer enough to be worth the extra money and hassle... I don't need a ton of fiddly stuff for now, I just want something reliable, pretty good out the box, light enough weight, and the right price.

I made a spreadsheet of different ammo prices to get a comparison, and I'm leaning toward .25 for cost and availability. My reference rounds are powder burners 9mm and 22lr. Airgun .25 and .22 are both more expensive than 22lr. Some of these .30 pellet rounds, heavy and hollowpoint, are approaching the price of 9mm. The .25 are between .22lr for the cheapest and at the most expensive equal to a cheap .30 pellet.

Also, the number of shots available relative to a .30 is very appealing. I really do want a .30, but .25 seems significantly more practical.


Welcome.. I’m over here in southern AZ as well

Nice! I'm up in northern AZ at the moment, but I love the Valley of the Sun this time of year (and any time it's not 115*). I'd love to live in Scottsdale or somewhere in the east Valley.... October through April!

Welcome, agree with whomever said the .22 (so buy the kids something Nice too!) is likely what you really want for the game mentioned and Turkey head shots.

Also for a good bit of ammo cost savings but if you still want reach and FPE do check out what a good .25 can do with the newer heavy ammo, still much cheaper than .30.


John

I'm thinking about the Umarex Notos .22 for the kids. It looks like a good value product but very importantly it only weighs 4 pounds. Air rifles seem rather piggish in general, though that's to be expected with the need to contain high pressure air constantly rather than temporarily resist a high chamber pressure. My youngest is 4, so I want something any of them can physically handle.

Diana  Diana Airbug Alternative

I own what I believe to be the first version of that pistol to be distributed in the U.S., marked MRodAir Air Max Target Master. Mine is .177, and modified to return twice as many shots per cartridge as when stock, at the same power level as stock (5 foot pounds). I've adjusted the trigger to break like a glass rod at 12 ounces (per my digital trigger-pull gauge). My testing notes below-




I've since put the factory adjustable sights back on it, and could part with it either way. If interested, call or text me at 254-253-1239.



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If it was a .22 I would be all over it, thank you for the offer. Unfortunately my use for it as a snake/grouse gun when hiking requires it to be a .22 for legality reasons.
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Western Airguns  Western sidewinder very popular?

Prepare for ramble:
I got the .30 sidewinder because I thought it was really cool, nice power out of a semi auto airgun and the full auto is a bonus. Now I've shot it at the range and hunted with it for a couple of years and now I think it's really cool with a nice platform, awesome action, is reliable and accurate, and is really cool.
So I just got a Mordax too and it's turning out to be awesome as well. I can share the magazines between it and the Sidewinder and have all sorts of fun at the range and there is overlap in the game I can take with them. Super portable too
Yeah they are relatively expensive. Also, they use a lot of ammo because they are so easy and fun to shoot. I guess that's a couple of negatives. For me the positives greatly outway the negatives so far. Maybe I haven't gotten 4 grand worth of enjoyment out of these guns yet, but I've sent thousands of rounds down range with my Sidewinder so far, and that would have been way more expensive if were some brass or steel casesd 7.62 rounds.

HW/Weihrauch  "Easter egg" diopter...

For me when shooting off a bench having apertures in front and back works the best on a round black bull. I just need to see a little bit of white back ground circling the back bull and the adjustable front aperture set for best compromise of focus. I've been a hair more precise this way vs using post.

However the above has never worked the best for me in offhand. I definitely prefer a front post insert instead because I can better tell/see where to trip the trigger in the timing aspect. I use a 6 oclock hold to line up the spacing with almost no light between in the vertical and centered in the horizontal with a slightly smaller post than the bull. It's crazy how far off a shot will go if I'm a smidgen off the perfect release. I'm sure my age is half of this is because I'm less steady than when younger.

In offhand on a 10M Olympic rifle target, without using a shooting jacket or sling, I can usually keep most shots in the 8's, less in the 9's, with few 10's, and on occasion the lucky dot punch out which seems very illusive.

Do pellets tumble ?

Froude, Ludwig Freebase Froude.

In my day, at Naval Nuclear Power Shool, we were real pocket protector nerds and calculated Froude numbers using slide rules.

Lesson learned and rembered: In a Nuclear Steam Supply System a Froude less than one is a leak, 1 or greater is a rupture. You find leaks, ruptures find you.
In my brief time doing inflatable products for aerospace, we always said “fill” or “inflate” instead of “blow up”.

At least I never had to say “unscheduled rapid disassembly”. I think Musk has that technology patented these days.

Back to the OP, airgun forum threads can definitely tumble. It only takes a moment.

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