ChuckHunter said:

Well the idea of the adjustable power is awesome! But did they really make the rest of it worth having? Like barrel quality and a good trigger? Because without those attributes it's just another gimmick!

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bbarnett said:

Thank you for the reply. I’m leaning towards the gx cs4I, 80% of the time it will fill guns, I will use it to periodically fill the 6.8L bottle. From my research, I think it should do fine. I’m on my 3rd umarex ready air.

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TnCnDn said:

Wish I could say the same. 600 and Hahn 45 for rebuilds, boy was this a rude awakening! 280.00 and the 600 still don't cycle and the Hahn...well should have known better. For the cost I was expecting them to look like new. I tried to reach out to him on 600 not cycling to no avail.

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JimD said:

I agree with JaceSpace's post but want to make some points. First, the term "energy dump" is, in my opinion, nonsense. In movies we see people flying through the air after being hit from a shotgun, for instance. That sort of thing does not happen from shoulder fired weapons. If it did, the shooter would fly through the air too! We see images of wound channels in ballistic gel and think that is what our airguns do. It is not. Rounds well under 1000 fps do not move animal tissue fast enough to permanently damage it except in the direct path of the projectile. The tissue off to the sides expands and then moves back essentially undamaged. Much higher velocity rifles do expand animal tissue fast enough to damage it but not most pistols and essentially all air rifles.

What expansion of air rifle projectiles does is create a wider and not as deep hole through the animal. JaceSpace correctly points out that small animals like squirrels do not require a lot of penetration to reach vital organs. A solid projectile is likely to exit from guns 25fpe (approximately) or higher. A wider hole will do more damage and tend to lead to a faster death for the animal just like use of a larger caliber would. So for something like my near 40 fpe Caiman X in 22 caliber, I have no issue with H&N slugs that expand because they still penetrate far enough in wet paper that I know they will get to the squirrels vitals and may even exit. I think it's a good idea to test expanding projectiles to understand how much penetration you will get but the basic idea that a wider wound channel is preferable to an exiting pellet is a totally valid point.

I will also add, however, that I've killed over 20 squirrels with a non-expanding domed pellet from my 177. I only lost one and it was totally my fault, I shot it in the rear end and it crawled off where I couldn't find it after it fell. So I have over 20 clean kills with a non-expanding 177. The squirrels drop a little quicker with a 22 or 25 but expansion is not really necessary in my opinion for squirrels. It's OK to have it but the squirrel will drop very quickly as long as you place the projectile properly. Non-expanding 22s and 25s drop squirrels at impact most of the time and no reasonably placed projectile will let them travel more than a few feet.

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woogie_man said:

was just going to post this.

These are great and a good fun with kids. Take them out to some longer ranges and you will instantly know when you make a solid hit.

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jps2486 said:

I agree that you haven't seen much difference in your FT gun, but don't forget, it's a .177 right and 20 fpe right? What I've seen is on .30 calibers pushing 100 fpe. There's a lot of energy to dissipate there.

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Impact701 said:

Minute Of Mouse accuracy, looks like you have your M3 dialed in !

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