Go big or go home! Just kidding.
I would go for a moderately priced pcp and a compressor. You'll enjoy it a lot more.
A Umarex Notos is a lot of fun for less than $300. Add a GX CS2 compressor for less than $300, and you're set for less than $600.
A Umarex Zelos is a better first rifle for your 50yd range and will do more target shooting, hunting, linking etc.
Avengers are pretty impressive for any man's money.
Wanna do it once-n-done? Bet you can't. But if you wanna try, go to AOA used section and buy one of the used BRK Snipers and you'll have a lifetime of fun.

cosmic said:

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It's more fun just to go shoot it

Ratzy said:

So easy to regulate AirForce guns. Either valves with integrated tophat or universal regulators that use the existing tophat.

Add in a plenum, either inline or integrated with the regulator and either power goes way up or shot count goes way up.

Then there are adapters that can allow you to utilize bottles as large as 1.1L.

That is the AF utility platform strength. You can literally take a stock .177 talon and convert it to a .25 70FPE (or more) hunter in less than 30 minutes using 2 Allen wrenches to remove 5 or 6 Allen screws.

Heavy Spring
Heavy Hammer
24" barrel
Regulator with 50cc plenum
High flow tophat
Angled adapter
1.1L CF bottle

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About plenums, AF guns and their copycats LOVE them some plenum.

The air is a straight shot from the bottle to the pellet. Just the tophat to control the volume.

The objective is to provide air under pressure to the pellet for the length of the barrel.

To do that you either go unregulated with a high flow valve or regulated with a high flow valve and a plenum of the optimal size.

Optimal is 3-4x the barrel volume. A .25 24" barrel is 19.6cc. So a plenum 60-80cc is optimal. Huben Power makes a regulator with 50cc plenum.

Poppet style guns get less from a plenum than tophat style. Too many variables
Poppet dwell
Poppet size
Hammer spring and adjustment.
Transfer port size
90⁰ turns
And a few more.

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Which mark is it? Where is the safety?

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Well, I fixed the squeak with a couple drops of light oil (tri-flow). The floppiness remains but that's easier to deal with than the squeak. I hunt rats at very close range at night and that tiny squeak could have been a disaster.

katonahjohn said:

Retired. Thinking about a pcp rifle. Have been using a Hatsan model 25 super charger pistol at the ranger. Its a tin can destroyer. Shooting at a 50 yard range with my 'powder' guns. So thinking about something inexpensive & hand pumpable to get my feet wet (G). Like it then I can go crazy and really annoy my wife of 52 years. "You don't need another gun.".

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Hello! I’m new here too, also coming with years of centerfire experience. Good luck on your hunt for a pcp.

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maxtrouble said:

*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.

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So easy to regulate AirForce guns. Either valves with integrated tophat or universal regulators that use the existing tophat.

Add in a plenum, either inline or integrated with the regulator and either power goes way up or shot count goes way up.

Then there are adapters that can allow you to utilize bottles as large as 1.1L.

That is the AF utility platform strength. You can literally take a stock .177 talon and convert it to a .25 70FPE (or more) hunter in less than 30 minutes using 2 Allen wrenches to remove 5 or 6 Allen screws.

Heavy Spring
Heavy Hammer
24" barrel
Regulator with 50cc plenum
High flow tophat
Angled adapter
1.1L CF bottle

And I don't want to cast Kitty as too much of a slacker in all of this.

first two are Kitty, and a recent Gopher. I dashed for the camera, but I was too late.

guts, blood, guts, head:



And, here she is with an absolute trophy, a Rat that was birthing another:



And, I continued her good works in rodent reduction by eliminating this entire nest and Mom. And like Kittys trophy, Mom mouse is sitting on a new born.

scene: Generator shed. This is the scene of a constant battle.
Beeman P17 grip can be seen in the right of the image, on the shed door.

This Diana Scope Mount is also a barrel droop compensator.
correct?
If so, then mounted in the above orientation it will help adjust for low POI
Please, please correct me quick if I am mistaken

Thanks
Edward

coastal drifter said:

I would love to see it

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Check out Airgun Revisions. They have exactly what you are looking for.

maxtrouble said:

*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.

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That is great info. Besides buying one and finding out firsthand, I don’t know how else I would’ve learned that, so thank you!

Mayhemlv said:

Any thoughts on Air Force? I saw Utah Airguns has a Talon P on sale for less than $300! I am researching it against the rest of the herd. I am concerned it will be too loud even with a moderator for night time target neutralization. Plus, the Talon does not appear to be regulated. I’ll give it GP’s for made in USA with lifetime warranty.

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*USUALLY* Non regulated rifles are more powerful than regulated rifles. *USUALLY*

Airforce are hunting platforms and are unregulated, not the best rifle for plinking but hell on wheels for hunting. Unless you have a very robust air source, I would shy away from Airforce. They do like their air. Been there and done that with a hand pump.

For example, my unregulated .30 caliber starts off at 95 fpe, goes up to 110 fpe at the top of the curve and goes back down to 95 fpe.

So when I want all energy I can get I fill to 210 bar and get five shots at 110 fpe.

When I purchased my .30 caliber most regulated rifles only got 80 fpe but twice the shots.

This has changed recently with bigger and better components (read: More O-rings) but the principle remains the same.

Ratzy said:

I prefer the TXEDM042 with the dual filters and autostop.

As the local air gun heretic I don't belive any air gun is worth more than $1,500 new. Too many guns under $1,000 that shoot more than adequately for 90% of the owners. Everything else is esthetics, ergonomics or just a status symbol.

With the exception of competition shooters, then buy what you think will win.

Unless you are Ron Robinson then you can win with a straw and a pea.

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I do own guns that retailed pretty high, but i bought them used. Most recently a lovely HM1000x .25. More accurate than most of my other guns, but 1/4 inch at 45 yards isnt worth paying $2300 new.

Well, the herd was thinned by two more, last night, at the 1am and 3am pee breaks.
The video,... it recorded blank files all night. ugghh.

I dont have a Meg but I do have an Element Max in .457. I quit filling to 4500, now I fill to around 2800/3000 psi and get 5 or 6 shots all around 250 lbft of energy. My post has some more specific info you may be interested in about air usage. If you have a 6.8ltr bottle you could do a lot of shooting. I want to try it out with my 1.6ltr bottle to see how many actual fills I get.


Hope this helps you out