Internally speaking, the three Weihrauchs that I've had had terrible fit and finish inside. I've had, what six Dianas that ranged from terrible internal fit to very good, like my 2015 350 Mag.

My HW95 had horrendous twang, buzz, kick and shake into well over 1 000 pellets, never getting better. My D48 also had a terrible shot cycle when new, but transformed into a very smooth gun just by shooting it in.

I'm partial to .22 cal springers, and in that caliber Diana barrels beat Weihrauch barrels fair and square. I will never buy a .22 cal HW again, while I will buy more .22 cal Dianas.

Anyone of the new Slash owners who had the opportunity to test on precision, shotcount, etc?

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Anyway, pushing past the 55yard/50meter AAFTA limit is an absolute impossibility. The WFTF'rs will never allow it, as the AAFTA matches are their only opportunity for regular practice, and something like 85-90% of the current AAFTA BOG are WFTF shooters. And I'm not faulting them for this, if I was a WFTF'r, I too would want my practice matches to be as similar to the once a year World's matches as possible.

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4.5 out of 5 local club Match Directors here shoot sub-12 as well, so it's a hard sell to do anything not WFTF/Open friendly even if AAFTA would allow things not legal in WFTF.

Hello and welcome to Airgun Nation. The Crosman 1701p or the Crosman 2300 are great starter pistols. Co2 works well in a basement, no PCP madness needed. Easy start to the rabbit hole.

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Thank you. This is REMARKABLE. And one advantage the K1 one has over the Daystate is the semi-auto feature. Semi-auto is a bit addictive in some scenarios.... I wonder if I should start a thread asking K1 owners if they have similar repeatability with their K1s also.


The GK1 is a small piece of solid rubber that holds the power adjustment screen in place so that it does not creep. This piece is very easily replaced in 2 minutes, but it does wear down if one adjusts regularly. With the K1, what holds the power adjustment stable so that it does not turn?

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Here is a photo of the parts that make up the Huben K1 adjustment - as you can see, nothing is going to wear out in any conceivable usage. On the stock is the stem assembly that has the shaft that turns the actual adjuster on the closing spring force. You can see the base for it has 4 ball bearing protrusions that interface with the power wheel plate that has 16 divots in it. The actual adjuster that we turn simply has a friction fit to the plate, all held together by one hex screw. Very solid, and very repeatable . . .

As an interesting side note, I have found that when tuning, if one wants to set the gun to slightly more or less power than is available in one click of the wheel, that it can be done by removing the power wheel and turning the stem base (with the the ball bearings in it) by less than a full click in the desired direction, then upon reassembly the new "baseline" sill be set. Alternately that shift can be had by tweaking the regulator setting too . . . .

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I do not care which brand; it's a general question. The reason is that I can get tight groups with the right pellet once it is found. So, say my .22-PCP likes 18 .34 gr.;would a close to that weight target pellet actaully be better, I am looking for a consensus of thought on this subject. Iam trying to get hole in hole,my rifle is set up perfect as is.

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So how big of a hole are we talking about? At what distance? Ten meter seems to be the standard. Those guys are serious business. At that level I am sure they are all shooting pellets that have been sorted and sorted and then sorted again.

Great shooting putting them down for the count, Great job nice looking rifle.

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I don't know if it can "beat" it, but my Red Wolf with Heliboard can do what you're suggesting. Very repeatable and very wide range of power... all with a voltage adjustment . Admittedly , it can be a LITTLE slower than a dial, but still pretty easy, quick, and repeatable. That's the one thing I prefer on it over the DW... no reg to adjust... but still very good velocity control over a very wide range.
Bob

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That is pretty sweet. Have an Air Ranger, and it is just an awesome gun, so I'm sure I would like the Red Wolf. I've kind of looked past it as the form factor is so close to what I have, but maybe I'll have to give it some more thought . . . I've often thought that if the Huben had the accuracy of my Air Ranger that I'd sell off everything but the Huben, but maybe a Heliboard equipped Red Wolf might be a good compromise. I was hoping the new Taipan Slash could be the one, but so far the adjustability does not seem as easy as on the Huben or your Red Wolf.

Excellent write-up, many thanks!

I had a 167 many many years ago, a local auction find, definitely wish I'd hung on to it. It was a second variant but the trigger was pretty good even on those. The 160 / 167 is one of the true CO2 classics.

The single die go a long way to improving accuracy. Consistency in size and weight is key to accuracy. Crosman used to sell single die pellets in 1250 count brown boxes that were excellent. Of course they were discontinued a few years ago.

Pellet tins of regular unsize specific JSBs can come from different dies. JSB produces billions of pellets so they get mixed die lots in a single tin. When they make pellets for other companies like Air Arms and FX they produce them from a single JSB owned die. AA owning their own dies is marketing myth. What's not a myth is many people experience better accuracy with AA rebrands. That's because they are single die packaged and the tin is more consistent pellet to pellet.

The downside to single die pellets is if you get a tin your gun doesn't like. It doesn't like that whole tin or any others from the same lot. This is more likely with springers, that are typically more pellet fussy than other airguns. Luckily if you own several springers you can usually find one that will shoot those pellets.

There can be a big difference in Match marketed pellets but that can depend on how fussy the gun is. RWS Meisterkugln shoot pretty well in my springers. Now tins of RWS R10s, a match version of MKs shoot amazingly in the same guns. RWS also sells Match R10s in cards of 50 (or100?) individually set in a foam card for match shooters. I'm too cheap to buy those and only rarely pick up the tinned R10s but the improvement is there to be had if you want to pay for it. It's whether or not the improvement in your gun is worth it to you. Typically the only shooters buying these things are competitive shooters.

HTH
Ron

Wow,You are Welcome to the group!

There are no competition pellets (outside of the 10-meter Olympic range). It's a matter of finding different brands, different weights, different speeds, different batches, and doing a lot of testing and taking a lot of notes.
When you find a pellet that your barrel likes, try matching the velocity to that pellet, and if it really works well, write down the brand, write down the batch number, and buy as many pellets as you can from that brand and batch. There are no perfect pellets.
If you're looking for more precision, you'll need to wash them, lubricate them, sort them by weight, check for concentricity, and use a magic wand to make all the work you've done pay off. It's about scraping a little bit from all sides, perfecting your shooting technique, being consistent and repetitive.

The last attempt was the Sig ASP20. It had a new attempt at consistent lockup for a break barrel. The only high quality gas ram that was made in the U.S. Didn't sell in enough numbers to be worth making, so...

The quest continues to put the perfect scope atop my perfect airguns.... pairing them is like finding the right snack/cheese to go with the right drink.
Yesterdays greatest discovery was how well the Maven RS5 4-20x50 in Mrad, with a second focal plane works on my field target pistols.
Also the Athlon Helos lineup continues to impress, esp at it's price point!

I am not match grade.

i don’t see much difference between good and super duper good. Its all about what the barrel likes.

Pellets&Pistons-(Razor62) said:

I want one! but it's got to be a lefty or no dice.

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I know I was once the same. I think the ambi cheek piece stocks now offered has chilled me out. As long as my cheek and left hand is comfortable, I‘m good. I’ll keep my eye open for you. Disclaimer: if a gorgeous lefty came my way.......

bchannell said:

I've always wondered if sweating ever caused rusting? I mean I know it can't get inside but can it still cause problems?

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if you degas a PCP, or any compressed air container, too quickly, moisture / condensate can form internally - moisture related problems will occur. To avoid this, always degas very slowly (VERY) slowly, unless you want to open the whole thing up and swab it dry to remove moisture.

Chuck-in-Ohio said:

I think you would be better served with a modern fluoropolymer lubricant due to the small quantity required for maximum lubricity.

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What is a brand that I could easily acquire? Maybe on Amazon. Thank you.

saltwater redneck said:

I had thought about getting a blank or shaped stock with no inlet. What it came down to was price and compatibility. The barra trigger is significantly farther forward in relationship to the bolt knob than a traditional bolt action. A shaped stock was going to run 250$ with no certainty of compatibility and a blank of the appropriate size was 100$ minimum... one 1/2"×4'x8' of baltic birch enough for 6 stocks was 88$ and allowed to inlet 80% before you glue it up.View attachment 563010View attachment 563011View attachment 563012View attachment 563013

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specie said:

I think that gun is a Daisy marketed?

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It doesn’t say Daisy anywhere on the gun. Probably bought in Germany and brought to the U.S. It is sleeved. Will update on accuracy after the new seals are installed.

808 said:

I was wondering what you all think about prime day cs3i for 319. Is it a good deal, or just meh? Would 319 be better spent elsewhere. I'm not a heavy use shooter. What you all think?

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I agree with Jim, check the GX Pump website and compare the final price after adding the discount code [GX10OFF].


Amazon charges sales tax, GX Pumps does not in most states. Amazon is an authorized GX Pump vendor, AliExpress could be a knock-off and not be covered by GX Pump's warranty. GX Pumps also ships from a U.S. warehouse via Amazon shipping, so shipping speed through either GX Pumps or Amazon is usually the same, so I would go with which ever is cheaper of those two.

I have never shot 100 yard bench on an actual card with an air rifle. So I am no help but I do practice at 100 yards for 22LR F Class. It's kinda like you shot your bulls eyes. In our first relay we are allowed unlimited sighters but once we start shooting for score you can no longer do sighters and we shoot five shots per bull's-eye and we have four targets for 20 scored shots 25 minute time limit with sighters. The other two relays you get two sighters and then you have to start shooting for score in 22 minutes. You learn to read flags pretty good. I would like to try it with a good 22 Cal slug air rifle to see how they do with the 22 LR. Now this is shot prone depending on class either off a bipod and rear bag or a front rest and rear bag. now our 10 ring is bigger it is just slightly under an inch but still pretty tough. Maybe someday I'll get a good slug gun and try it but good shooting