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What springer did you shoot today?

My special order, AOA, left hand, walnut stocked, .22 cal., HW30 finally arrived and I had an hour or so to get acquainted. Seems a little hold sensitive and there's some buzz that needs to go. Still, the lines of the stock are very appealing to me. Very much an American sporter look. Love it! It is however, a little hold sensitive which is something else that I need to address.

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Beautiful rifle! Very classic lines. Is the cheek piece height appropriate for a telescopic sight? Thanks for sharing! John

FWB  Feinwerkbau 150 - help needed

I always prefer to remove the ring to flush all the old gunk and funk out of the piston groove, then relube the ring. I am guessing that a good flush out with carb cleaner or a similar substance would serve the same purpose, I just do not feel whole unless I disassemble stuff down to component bits.
Straight silicone is a no go. Superlube with ptfe would be suitable and readily available though.
I think you would be better served with a modern fluoropolymer lubricant due to the small quantity required for maximum lubricity. It only takes a very light film to lube the compression chamber and the associated ring as you will find out. Be sure to withdraw the piston from the compression tube after lubing and cycling it by hand a few times and you will see. Wipe out the excess and away you go!

FWB  Feinwerkbau 150 - help needed

I know what you mean about the right hand action being perfectly fine for a lefty. I use your technique holding the action open with my tricep against the lever and my hand on the stock. I'd have a hard time getting comfortable behind that stock though, because of the grip design.
Doesn't being persecuted for being a southpaw tick you off...? LOL! I want one! but it's got to be a lefty or no dice. I don't know if they ever offered one either. Maybe someone else can shed some light

FWB  Feinwerkbau 150 - help needed

Beautiful gun. I got two of those earlier this year so my son and I could have matches using identical guns. Equipped both with adjustable iris apertures. I have a newer FWB 300 and prefer the stock on the older 150.
Here if you wish to send it out. David has reworked several FWB guns for me over the last few years Excellent work.
I have a 150 sr 32718 and an email from FWB says it was made in 1968, so am guessing yours about 1970-72
Watching this one. Very nice work, my friend. Curious, though...... This one's not a lefty. Are they that hard to come by? "Cuz I'd love to find one in left hand.
I don’t know if these were ever made with a left hand stock. I had a 300 mini back in the 80’s. It was a lefty. Still a right hand action. FWB never made a true left hand model. Just the lh stock with a right hand action. Like most lefties, I do most thing with both hands. I actually prefer the rh action. I cock it with my right and load with my left. I can hold back the cocking arm while doing it. This stock feels perfectly fine from the right side. Even my palm is good. I also like this trigger better than the 300. The 300 is a “glass break” trigger. I found it difficult to shoot in my league. I like a squishy trigger, predictable but without a wall. I used the Diana 75 t01 and loved that trigger. This one on the 150 reminds me of that t01.

Huben  PCP Progression - What was yours?

I feel like I'm at a 10-step AAA meeting:

"Hi. My name is Matthias. I'm an airgun addict. Let me tell you my story: ....."


For those of us who don't know AAA = Airgun Addicts Anonymous



Carry on.
I have to get back to finishing my order for the next airgun.

I can stop buying airguns any time I want.
I just don't want to.

Now leave me alone!!

I ask why?

I have been in the hobby a little over 9 years now, seen huge changes in just that short time frame...

There is one thing that I just don't get, well more, but that is for another day.

Why does the American market crave the over-the-top power?

Ok for competition shooters I kinda get it, 100 yard benchrest in 10-15 mph winds, I'll give you that one.. but for the average shooter I see No reason for the 80 plus ft/lb guns.
Hunters ok I get that too, but I will put it out there, I don't think the majority of Hunters are taking wild pigs or coyotes with an air rifle.. For the most part I see them as pesting for tree rats, invasive birds, etc..

I will also put it out there that Most target shooting, paper, steels, etc, are all probably under 40 yards in a backyard shooting scenario, hell even Most FT events are lower powered restricted

So you ask what the hell is my point?.. Have you looked at the trend of most newer guns?.. They tout stupid high power. the poor guns are so maxed out they wear out and fail prematurely..

This "power junkie" mentality has hurt a large portion of the low powered offerings, especially in small caliber..

Why in god's name would produce a .177 caliber airgun that is shooting over 1000 fps, the damn thing won't hit the broad side of a barn with any consistency because the damn pellet is tumbling, makes no damn sense...

Anyway, these are just the rambling thoughts of an old man and I would love to hear your thoughts,
I'm late to this party, but, IMHO, it's not just a mad dash to super high power. Slug shooting has come on the scene and has it's proponents. Initially, for big distance, but now, ever more increasingly pin point accuracy. airgunners want to try for 1 MOA at 150 yards, 200 yards. pellets can not achieve this. BUT, the slug game has the issues of detirmining barrel diameter, twist rate, and velocity required to push what is considered optimal grain weight of said slugs as per calibre. Now the power of the gun has to be able to achieve that. which means pushing a significantly heavier projectile quite a bit faster.
Now, that does not mean I have shunned the lower power guns - they definately have their place! I wouldn't want a MORA 25 cal shooting 45-50g slugs at 950fps for squirrels or birds. But that also means I'd want more than a 177 brocock atomic for coyotes or hogs! LOL! I go up and down the power list according to need. I think all this talk with the power is because it is the latest frontier.

Spring piston rifle scope not holding zero

looking to see if I can find a sandbag on prime or make one of my own.

Soft rest, to let that springer jump unimpeded. The harder the rest, the harder and more inconsistently that springer jumps off it. From my testing notes of over 500 airguns, including dozens of springers-

2/20/06 Shot a .25” ten-shot group at 30 yards with JSB Exacts from a soft pillow rest.

That was with a Fienwerkbau 124 springer.

Also, and just as important, duplicate your hold and contact with EVERYTHING as perfectly as humanly possible. Your results will inmprove.

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Crosman  Crosman Model 167 Dual CO2 .177 CAL.

Hello to all;

Crosman CO. introduced in 1955-1956 perhaps one of their most famous series of CO2 Rifles, the 160 series. Model 160 .22 cal. and the Model 167 .177 cal. powered by dual CO2 cartridges. The lesser known and smaller production, number wise, Model 167 .177 cal. is under review here. The 160 /167 series were made from 1955 – 1971. There were three variants of the 160 series, 1st variant, pinned trigger thru stock no barrel band, 2nd, variant simple trigger with barrel band and the 3rd variant with the adjustable trigger mechanism and barrel band. All the 160/167 series were powered by dual 12 gm. CO2 cartridges. They weighed 5 lbs. 10 oz. and were 39 inches long.

I had been looking for a M-167 for many years to compliment my M-160 and was finally able to locate one in excellent shape it had the rare Crosman 360 peep sight, this peep sight differed significantly from the more well-known Mossberg S331 peep sight seen on many 160 series models. The C-360 peep sight was a rather simple design attached to a slotted plug on the rear portion of the rifle with a thumb screw. The thumb screw when loosened allowed raising the peep sight for elevation; the peep could be moved left or right for windage. The 360 peep could be taken off and rotated 180 degrees reattached via the thumb screw thereby returning to the use of the standard rear sight located on the barrel, a simple but elegant innovation!

Another unique attribute on the 160-167 series rifles was the cocking mechanism it was bolt operated, however it utilized the feature of “cocking on closing” a feature used on many Military center fire rifles. Most of the other Crosman rifles utilized the more familiar feature of “cocking on retraction” of the bolt or cocking knob!! The 160 series were advertised as NRA Training Rifles and the cocking on closing feature satisfied the training aspect for the NRA/Military.

The safety on my M-167 rifle was also a bit unique, some called it auto safety, when retracting the bolt back for pellet loading a rear portion of the bolt contacted a paddle on the safety which pushed the safety rearward into the safe position detent, thus after inserting a pellet into the loading port and moving the bolt forward to cock the Rifle, the safety was” already” in the safe position. All that was required to fire the rifle at this point was to slide the safety forward! No forgetting to put the safety on here, it was on safe before loading and cocking, by design!! Remarkable for an air rifle made in 1956.

Charging the Rifle required removal of the Knurled Tube Cap (making sure of course the rifle is not under pressure or loaded) and the insertion of 1-12 gm.CO2 cartridge small neck end first and a second 12 gm. Cartridge small neck end up, screw on the Tube Cap firmly by hand then back off quickly 1/8 of a turn this will pierce and open the top C02 cartridge, using bolt cock action and pull trigger this will pierce the other CO2 cartridge and the Rifle is now fully charged.

I have mentioned before that I normally make a clearance bushing for the stock attachment bolt on the receiver, because the thru hole in the stock is generally much larger than the attachment stud on most Crosman air rifles, not necessary on the 160 series, it is a tight fit as it comes from the factory and may in part be attributable to the excellent accuracy of the 160/167 series air rifles! The C-167 I received was as stated, in excellent condition however it would not hold a charge, so a complete valve rebuild was necessary. After the rebuild I did some chronograph testing with the Polymag Predator .177 cal. pellets @ 8.16grains I used this pellet as it had demonstrated very good accuracy previously in other .177 cal. Crosman CO2 Rifles and preliminary accuracy testing with the C-167 indicated the same.


The Pro Chrono Digital Chronograph was set up and all testing was done @ 25 yard from a bench rest, as is my practice, with the muzzle 24 inches from the first sky screen. The results revealed a remarkable consistency velocity wise, the first 25 shots averaged 690 fps and 8.6 ft. lbs. A high of 701 fps to a low of 678 fps! (The 25th shot was 678 fps) The next 10 shots bringing the total shot count to 35 brought the total aggregate of 35 shots to an average of 642 fps 7.45 ft. lbs. The 35th shot was 583 fps!! This is remarkable consistency from a 56-year-old air rifle and testimony to the valve timing design!! One could expect to get approximately 50 shots from the 2 CO2 cartridges but after the 35th shot POI may start drifting with each consecutive shot. In reality the first 25 shots would be the most useful velocity range for pest hunting with only a 23 fps spread.

Accuracy test were conducted at 25 yards from a bench rest using the rear sight on the barrel (I could not use the Peep my old eyes would have none of that) I selected 2 pellets I knew shot best, Polymag Predators 8.16 gains and JSB Exacts 8.4 grains and a third Beeman Silver Bear 7.2 grains which most recommended for Air Pistols so I did not know how it would shoot. As always, I use card stock paper with ½ diameter adhesive dots, three on a target shooting left to right. Shooting 5 shot groups, JSB went into 1.075; (after a called flyer, elbow slipped) 5 shots of the Polymag Predator went into .780 and 5 shots of the Beeman Silver Bear strung vertically into 2.340 inches (obviously not for this rifle).

The clear winner was the Polymag Predator pellet, shooting a .780 inch group at 25 yards is as good as I can shoot with any open sight Air Rifle and I could do this consistently from the bench with this Crosman M-167. I always try to set up an Air Rifle for maximum accuracy, there just was not much to do for this rifle it was intrinsically accurate, trigger was good @ 4.0 lbs. etc. groups could have been improved with addition of a scope no doubt (which I normally do) but I am resisting this at least for now, the rifle is just such a pleasure to shoot with open sights.

It has been my experience that the use of Polymag Predator pointed tip pellets for hunting significantly increases the lethality of a .177 caliber .8 grain. pellet at 8.5 ft. lbs. I have downed rabbits at 25 yards using the Predators, and with head shots, they dropped as though pole axed no jumping, twitching etc. Their penetration is lethal!!! Yep, rabbits can be taken with round nose pellets @ 8.5 ft. lbs. just not as decisively in my experience!

The Crosman 160/167 series were a real leap forward in the realm of CO2 Air Rifles and would still hold a prominent place in any collection of Airguns today!!

Garey
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FX  Wildcat consistency problems

Another day, another round of tuning.
I started the day by:
*checked pin probe fit in barrel. The pin is adjustable, and yes it was pushing the pellet past the xfer port and yes it was adjusted to seal properly. ???
*maxed the hammer out and started shooting. I started at ~75 bar and got around 70fps es
80 bar, same, 90 bar, 50-60fps es, 100 bar 35 es, 110bar over 100 es. ???
*tried 13gr hammer..... disaster, and I expected that.
*Went back to AMP reg on 2nd reg, same as Huma, no real difference.

At this point, I'm going to put the project on hold for a day or two. I ordered a new pellet probe, (not a pin probe, the regular pellet probe), and a 580cc CF bottle and valve, and some different mags for my Crown, which fit the WC also. So, I will wait for that stuff to come and then while I'm changing over I'll take my Crown 600mm barrel and install the liner from it, in the WC and see what it does.
I just can't see anything wrong with the hammer strike....I don't know what to say there, as it sure does look like that could be the problem, but everything is dry and clean and no debris.
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I was today years old, when I realized... (scope zeroing).

Just remember your always moving the bullet to where you want it to land when your adjusting left and right and up and down. Bullet hits low, you want to adjust it UP.
To confuse it even more, my brain works in the way that the I don't read what the turret says, I imagine the reticle is a nut on a screw. The turret is the screw being driven. I guess that's what I get for being a mechanical turbo autismo. This post will be the stick in the wheel.
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HW/Weihrauch  The Saga of my HW95

Even the Weihrauchs need a good tune to get the most enjoyment out of them when you're like myself, and a buzzing rifle is downright annoying. AirArms comes close to offering a tuned rifle from the factory. Still, just like with brand new cars, there will always be guys who can't resist swapping out OEM parts with aftermarket, "performance" replacement parts on their brand new rifles. I'd be found guilty of this myself....
Good to hear that you got the accuracy to where you expected.

What springer did you shoot today?

My special order, AOA, left hand, walnut stocked, .22 cal., HW30 finally arrived and I had an hour or so to get acquainted. Seems a little hold sensitive and there's some buzz that needs to go. Still, the lines of the stock are very appealing to me. Very much an American sporter look. Love it! It is however, a little hold sensitive which is something else that I need to address.

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Nice score. I have a few 30’s in .22 cal. Great rifle, easy to load, easy to jack, and deadly accurate. Easy to watch through scope, the flight. Enjoy. Crow
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