Yong Heng compressor air filter

The cyclone and the tampon "filters" are both oil and water separators. I don't think using both are necessary, they really do the same job. The tampon unit is smaller but requires replacement of filter material. The professional compressors always have cyclone style oil/water separators and never have tampon style units. But either should do the job, and the tampon style takes less time to pressurize due to the smaller volume. But it cannot be drained in mid-cycle whereas the cyclone is designed to be drained during use.

The molecular sieve filter removes water vapor which neither of the above separators can do.

The bleeder valve block on the small compressors isn't effective enough to remove all the oil and liquid water, hence the need for the subsequent tampon filter and clearly it is getting oil and water beyond the bleeder block. Professional compressors do this in the one large oil/water separator rather than having two elements to accomplish the job.


 
For all

Here is a heads up if you are considering this filter from Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V4F6H1X/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

https://www.amazon.com/Separator-Compressor-4500Psi-Filter-L350mm/dp/B07V4F6H1X/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

I contacted the seller about replacement elements

They sell them; but not on Amazon

Buying direct the cost is $25 each with $15 shipping.

They did not reply to the question about replacement frequency

That's a deal breaker for me.

If anyone has better/different info I'd like to hear about it, please



FYI

I have also contacted an eBay seller with the same questions about this fiter

Will update



Hope this helps

Ed


Here is an update

TXFACTORY the eBay seller charges $30 per filter element shipped

They say replacement is due every 50 hours

In a return e-mail they also say this price includes a spare filter

I would double check that if buying

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223517413033?ul_noapp=trueed






 
Those are diving air filters for breathing air. 1/3 of that filter is the molecular sieve that you need to capture water vapor for airguns. The rest is not needed.

Is it possible to find filters that are all molecular sieve?

I have read that the sieve needs to be tightly packed toremove moisture from air under pressure otherwise it acts like a gravel darin nd allows moisture to pass through.

Do you know that to be correct, Alan B



 
@ Silent Squirrel.

Those filter cartridges are repackable. You can fill them with whatever media your heart desires. Molecular sieve is the prefered filler for a few reasons that you can look up. It works better the higher the pressure. You should pack it as tight as possible but the description of water draining through gravel is highly dubious. Do you intend to only fill your gun directly or use a large bottle? I ask this because if your answer is the former, you will need to fill that filter every time you fill your gun which means you will be wasting approximately half of all the air you compress. That means your compressor will only last half as long. The filter that comes with your Y.H does a pretty good job if you only want to fill your gun but there are others on the market that you can pack yourself that may be more suitable. Take this advice with a grain of salt as all the other comments on here, some are only partly right, opinion or downright hearsay.
 
The Coltri filters do come in several combinations including 100% molecular sieve. I don't know about this filter.

I'm setting up to repack my filters as it is about six times cheaper, even using top grade material.

I suspect that the filter packing and effectiveness is related to the compressor pumping rate. The 240V scuba type compressors pump at three times the rate of the 120V units, so the dwell time in the filter is tripled, and the filter you are looking at is fairly large as well. A spring loaded situation is ideal but a good snug pack should do fairly well. The key thing is dwell time, giving the air contact with filter material for long enough for the adsorption to occur. This is more challenging at higher flow rates and the spring helps there.

In my case there is a spring that ejects the filter cartridge from the Coltri housing, so I 3D printed a floating cartridge top (with O ring seals) that transfers external spring pressure through into the internal molecular sieve stack, so there will be spring pressure if I fill it to the right level.

Also changing the sieve more often will maintain a higher active surface area which improves adsorption. The early part of the filter saturates first and effectively shortens the stack. Don't wait till the filter is exhausted, if you are reloading the sieve material there is a pretty small cost associated with a recharge. The 50 hours mentioned is based on a set of assumptions regarding temperature and pressure and the amount of sieve material. Best to pump only when it is cool and to keep the filter at high pressure which forces the moisture separator to get most of the water out and minimize what's left as vapor. For most of us changing the sieve material every six months will avoid saturating the filter. Make sure to cap it off when not using it.

In my case I'm keeping track of the fills (temperature, start and ending pressure, tank volume) and calculating the moisture that the filter has been exposed to as well as having a detection strip in the cartridge, so I should have some warning before the indicator goes.
 
@ Silent Squirrel.

Those filter cartridges are repackable. You can fill them with whatever media your heart desires. Molecular sieve is the prefered filler for a few reasons that you can look up. It works better the higher the pressure. You should pack it as tight as possible but the description of water draining through gravel is highly dubious. Do you intend to only fill your gun directly or use a large bottle? I ask this because if your answer is the former, you will need to fill that filter every time you fill your gun which means you will be wasting approximately half of all the air you compress. That means your compressor will only last half as long. The filter that comes with your Y.H does a pretty good job if you only want to fill your gun but there are others on the market that you can pack yourself that may be more suitable. Take this advice with a grain of salt as all the other comments on here, some are only partly right, opinion or downright hearsay.



The Coltri filters do come in several combinations including 100% molecular sieve. I don't know about this filter.

I'm setting up to repack my filters as it is about six times cheaper, even using top grade material.

I suspect that the filter packing and effectiveness is related to the compressor pumping rate. The 240V compressors pump at three times the rate of the 120V units, so the dwell time in the filter is tripled, and the filter you are looking at is fairly large as well. A spring loaded situation is ideal but a good snug pack should do fairly well.

In my case there is a spring that ejects the filter cartridge from the Coltri housing, so I 3D printed a floating cartridge top (with O ring seals) that transfers external spring pressure through into the internal molecular sieve stack, so there will be spring pressure if I fill it to the right level.

Also changing the sieve more often will maintain a higher active surface area which improves adsorption. The early part of the filter saturates first and effectively shortens the stack. Don't wait till the filter is exhausted, if you are reloading the sieve material there is a pretty small cost associated with a recharge. The 50 hours mentioned is based on a set of assumptions regarding temperature and pressure and the amount of sieve material. Best to pump only when it is cool and to keep the filter at high pressure which forces the moisture separator to get most of the water out and minimize what's left as vapor. For most of us changing the sieve material every six months will avoid saturating the filter. Make sure to cap it off when not using it.

In my case I'm keeping track of the fills (temperature, start and ending pressure, tank volume) and calculating the moisture that the filter has been exposed to as well as having a detection strip in the cartridge, so I should have some warning before the indicator goes.

Thanks to both of you, Alan B & Eaglebeak

I fill bottles ( 88cu in) and also directly fill (or top up) guns that go beyond 3000psi



I think , considering that the cartridges are refillable, I will go for this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/223517413033?ul_noapp=trueed .

Anything larger than that truly would be (as Eaglebeak noted) excessive.

That's the main reason I gave up on the 2 stage cyclone setups 

The cyclone is 500cc on its own; & then there is the volume of stage 2



When purchasing micro sieve material what would be the best size?. I've seen 3A & 4a on eBay.



Ed

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When purchasing micro sieve material what would be the best size?. I've seen 3A & 4a on eBay.

3A and 4A refers to the type of material, not size. The popular type is 13X. Regarding size, I believe the smaller the better because there will be more total surface area for capturing water molecules. I use beads of 1.6 ~ 2.5 mm in diameter




Once again you lessen my ignorance.

Thank you, Alan B
 
I forgot to mention that some of the vendors for that filter offer a choice of three combinations of filler. you can specify to have all M. sieve if you like. They also supply enough media to replace your first change. That is probibly what they meant when they said you get a spare cartridge with your order. You might have to look a little harder to find it. It might have been on Ali Express that I saw the add. The price on the one you found on eBay is probably about the best that you'll find. Some are asking up to 50 bucks more. I have one without the cartridge but I only use the smaller black one now as I find that the gold one is not necessary and wastes to much air even though I only fill a 6.8-litre bottle and not guns direct.
 
I'm using 13x Molecular Sieve in 8x12 mesh size, this is what Coltri and Lawrence-factor use in their filter cartridges. 

Stick to quality sieve material here or the whole effort may be wasted. If it has not been properly handled it may be pre-saturated with moisture, and low grade materials can have other problems.

Sieve material gets cheaper as the quantity increases but it is very likely to become saturated before you use it. You want fresh material, stored in well sealed thick plastic bottles or metal containers as moisture penetrates plastic bags. 13x material takes very high temperatures to dry it out, and cooling it without re-saturating it is not straightforward, they recommend vacuum pumping or dry gas flow. A vacuum oven is ideal and might be a fun project, but is it worth the time and effort?

Check media suppliers, I see several for $25-30 a pound or so. That's quite a few filter changes on my cartridges.
 
I forgot to mention that some of the vendors for that filter offer a choice of three combinations of filler. you can specify to have all M. sieve if you like. They also supply enough media to replace your first change. That is probibly what they meant when they said you get a spare cartridge with your order. You might have to look a little harder to find it. It might have been on Ali Express that I saw the add. The price on the one you found on eBay is probably about the best that you'll find. Some are asking up to 50 bucks more. I have one without the cartridge but I only use the smaller black one now as I find that the gold one is not necessary and wastes to much air even though I only fill a 6.8-litre bottle and not guns direct.

Thanks

I will requests all molecular sieve.


 


I suspect that the filter packing and effectiveness is related to the compressor pumping rate. The 240V compressors pump at three times the rate of the 120V units, so the dwell time in the filter is tripled, and the filter you are looking at is fairly large as well. A spring loaded situation is ideal but a good snug pack should do fairly well.

Are you saying that the 240V YH pumps 3 times faster than the 120V YH?

I'm asking because it sounds impossible to me. The pumps barely hold together at 120V. And if they're like the other motors I have that can be run on either voltage the motors speed and wattage doesn't change only the current goes down so everything runs cooler and more efficiently.
 
You can find comparative charts of molecular sieve vs silica gel from dessicant suppliers and other places. At high pressure the molecular sieve material is more effective. At low pressure there's no real need to dry the air since the high pressure compression and oil/water separator will do the majority of the job without consuming materials. Then the molecular sieve takes the remainder down enough (to a low enough dew point) to prevent condensation inside the high pressure spaces.
 
For our application molecular sieve is better because it absorbs water faster and the effectiveness is higher when the air is hot which is the case for compressed air. 

https://www.sorbentsystems.com/desiccants_charts.html

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The Hill pump uses molecular sieve. It is also used in high-end compressors designed to produce breathable air. 
 
 



SilentSquirrel

Here is an update

TXFACTORY the eBay seller charges $30 per filter element shipped

They say replacement is due every 50 hours

In a return e-mail they also say this price includes a spare filter

I would double check that if buying

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223517413033?ul_noapp=trueed


















I purchased that filter and got three capped plastic bottles with refill material in them.
 
I also purchased this filter a third the size of the gold filters and when received found it had only a tablespoon of media in it along with near two tablespoons of activated carbon. It also had many cigarette filters included that did not fit tight in the filter cylinder so would do little good. Don't buy it.

https://cgi.ebay.com/wshttps://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=153455334180&view=all&tid=1922646876005/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=153455334180&view=all&tid=1922646876005
 
For our application molecular sieve is better because it absorbs water faster and the effectiveness is higher when the air is hot which is the case for compressed air. 

https://www.sorbentsystems.com/desiccants_charts.html

1570500818_571298385d9bf0d25e4e89.48963004_Capture.JPG


The Hill pump uses molecular sieve. It is also used in high-end compressors designed to produce breathable air.


Thanks for the excellent info, Alan B

Ed